Update on Fort Improvements- with photos!

Wow, the difference in the 1900 loop is AMAZING! What an improvement. I requested the 1800 loop for October - sure hope it's open by then. This really explains why, despite the campground seeming to be empty, there are no available sites - they've closed off a significant amount of the campground!
 
Excellent reporting, as always!!!:thumbsup2 Waiting anxiously for more.popcorn::

I'm sorry, but this person's video of a child and the chicken made me laugh for 10 minutes. I couldn't stop watching it!! :rotfl: :rotfl:


We're hoping to drive down in 2010 and stay at the Fort, I'm glad they are expanding the sites, but they definitely aren't thinking about it.
 
Wow, the difference in the 1900 loop is AMAZING! What an improvement. I requested the 1800 loop for October - sure hope it's open by then. This really explains why, despite the campground seeming to be empty, there are no available sites - they've closed off a significant amount of the campground!

You are right about it being hard to get ressies- there are three loops totally closed right now. I would say that the 1800 loop should be re-opened soon. I am not sure about the 500 and 1900 loops.

When the work is done on the 1900 loop, I think it might actually be a nice loop to give a try. It certainly is one of the quietest loops.

TCD
 
Thank you for the pictures! We stayed in 1900 last October and vowed never to stay in that loop again. The fill will make a tremedous difference in that loop. Wish they would expand the sites, a least a little, our site was like a catwalk through a swamp.
 

You didn't happen to get a picture of the wire coming out of the end of the conduit did you, I would be able to tell what they are running through there if you did (I work for the phone company) was it a bundle of wires or a single piece of coax like they run to the back of your TV ?

ETA: I was looking on line and found an article about the improvements they are doing I wonder if this cable is a bundle to provide cable and internet service to the sites?

August 25, 2008

Roughing it is not what it used to be, especially at Walt Disney World's Fort Wilderness Campground.

Disney is quietly undertaking its broadest campground-improvements program in two decades, adding extra-extra-large camper pads for recreational vehicles, cable-TV and Internet service throughout, Segway scooter tours, a mini-water park, a dog park, and an improved electric-cart rental operation.

The program also is taking aim at invasive plant species such as potato vines, replacing such vegetation with fresh native plantings.

"The fort is a treasure at Walt Disney World. There really is so much history with the success of Walt Disney World that stems back to Fort Wilderness," said Jean Gallagher, general manager of both Disney's Wilderness Lodge and Disney's Fort Wilderness Resort Campground. "And because of the nature of this property, and the theming, we really haven't done a lot of changes. ... We have not made a lot of investment from a site perspective in the 37 years we've been open. So this opportunity to meet what our guests are asking for, and how the industry has changed, this is more than we could expect."

Disney installed TV and Internet cable to select areas several years ago, and created three Wi-Fi hot spots. But now, Gallagher said, "What we are seeing is, everyone has a computer when they come here."

Never mind the people who cannot leave work behind, even in a campground, and feel a constant need to check e-mail, news and market updates on a regular basis. For today's teens and pre-teens, roughing it without the Internet is often going too far. That's why even veteran campers like Matthew McKown, 15, and his sisters Caroline, 13, and Nicole, 10, from Charleston, S.C., all said they missed having an Internet connection during their latest stay at Fort Wilderness a couple weeks ago, and look forward to having it next year. Their father, Phillip McKown, however, was less interested in the cable and Internet connections, still preferring to keep some semblance of being able to get away from the real world.

"It adds to the experience, camping here," he said. "It's like camping and you get to go to the parks. Going to a hotel room is just like going to a hotel room."

Linda Profaizer, president and chief executive officer of the National Association of RV Parks & Campgrounds, praised Disney's efforts to upgrade Fort Wilderness, saying her recent visits had told her it was time for some updating.

"It's a great property, but the sites are older," Profaizer said.

In particular, she said, campers' appetite for Internet service and cable TV has been growing for several years.

"All the parks do that today; it's very much a required service. It's a great thing to do," Profaizer said.

Do TV and Internet hookups at every campsite detract from a desire to get away from it all?

"Sadly, here's the deal," Profaizer said: "People want to be connected no matter what. You have to offer what the people expect."

Disney is also catching up with the trend toward larger RVs. The rolling vacation homes, which now often exceed 40 feet in length, have become wider in recent years, too, thanks to the popularity of "slide outs," those room extensions that pull out from the sides when the vehicle is parked.

For that reason, Disney is creating areas with what it calls "premium campsites," which will include much larger paved pads plus upgraded amenities such as grills and picnic tables. Those sites will cost $66 to $116 a night, depending on the season and day of the week.

Disney also is adding a themed water-slide and splash-zone attraction to The Meadows area pool. Fort Wilderness abuts River Country, Disney World's original water park, which closed a few years ago. Now designers and engineers are looking over what's left of that park, and they're thinking about moving and recycling the park's signature water tower to the Fort Wilderness pool and building a slide into it.

The Fort Wilderness overhaul comes as the industry wonders about what near-record-high gas prices will do to RV camping.

"For years we've been telling everybody you have to expand your sites because the industry is building the larger RVs in larger numbers. Now with the gas situation, we're wondering," Profaizer said. "We're wondering, No.1, will the manufacturers continue to build the big units? And two, the consumer, is that what people will still be wanting?"

For now, she said, the question is moot. There are plenty of house-size RVs on the road, so campgrounds need to accommodate them.

Disney does not release occupancy numbers for its individual resorts. But while Fort Wilderness seems as vulnerable as any resort to consumers' reactions to gas prices, the campground appeared to be holding its own, at least last year, according to remarks made by Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger during an earnings call last fall.

"We have a big RV park in Orlando, and I would think that they would be hit the hardest, because it's pretty expensive to fill up a tank in one of those babies," Iger told investors. Yet "those parks have been completely full. And there's demand going forward from a bookings perspective."
 
Love the pix and the report, thanks TCD.
 
You didn't happen to get a picture of the wire coming out of the end of the conduit did you, I would be able to tell what they are running through there if you did (I work for the phone company) was it a bundle of wires or a single piece of coax like they run to the back of your TV ?

ETA: I was looking on line and found an article about the improvements they are doing I wonder if this cable is a bundle to provide cable and internet service to the sites?


This is the only conduit that I saw with something in it. The wire was solid, and much bigger in diameter than the television cable that I am familiar with. This is about the diameter of a man's finger:

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What do you say? It isn't an electric wire, so what is it?

TCD
 
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It could be a larger coax they use to network the TV out to the sites before splitting it to the seperate sites. They would use a larger diameter and then split to the smaller gauge to distribute the signal from there. Someone who works CATV or SAT will probably correct me and tell me they haven't used that in years but that to the best of my CATV knowledge.


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I was just looking at your photo and looks even larger then what I posted but it is probably the same idea.
 
It could be a larger coax they use to network the TV out to the sites before splitting it to the seperate sites. They would use RG-213 if I remember correct and then split to the smaller gauge to distribute the signale from there. Someone who works CATV or SAT will probably correct me and tell me they haven't used that in years but that to the best of my CATV knowledge.


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I was just looking at your photo and looks even larger then what I posted but it is probably the same idea.


Nicely done!

I would say that it was the rg213. ( I would always go with the rg213)

So, it looks like something is definitely happening cable-wise there in the 1700 loop!

I'll bet this is what feeds into those boxes that Verizon, et al are constantly installing around my house.


TCD
 
Thank you so much! Great job as usual.:thumbsup2
 
TCD you are my DH's idol. :worship: He is really hoping we catch up with you in October. Keep the great secrets of Fort Wilderness coming!
 
I would say for that situation, you're gonna wanna use your RG213 or 214, whichever works for ya.
 
they didn't start 1800 until after Labor Day. Not sure what they are doing over there, 500 was well underway at the time.
 
Heh .... check it out!!!

One month until we're at the Fort. Woohoo!! :woohoo:

It's been a long 10 yrs since my wife and I were last at the Fort.


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Great report as always TCD. I feel like we have our own spy !! :thumbsup2

We requested 1800 last time because we liked how quiet and away from the buses it is. I am anxious to hear your report about THAT loop because I know you didn't let those orange cones stop you ;)
 
Great report as always. Now I want the bigger site.
 














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