Universal Studios AP survey - opinions on means to re-open

Lumpy1106

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This from Theme Park Insider. I've seen comments on other sites and the people making comments, are making the error that somehow US is putting together an "opening by committee" strategy - they think the park will open, implementing whatever is voted on. I don't think that's it. I think they are going into discussions themselves with health and political officials to determine what is possible, and they are getting a feel for what would be non-starters from their pass holders. I.E. if the health officials say they must do temperature checks, and the AP's react strongly against this, they won't reopen, or will weight the cost of reopening under those (and other) conditions with how much they perceive their attendance will be affected.

Anyway, grain-of-salt. No word on a reopening date, but it is nice to see they are actively thinking about it.
 
Discussed this on another Universal park page... My point there:

"None of these type 'Social Distancing' measures are going to open the parks... either a solution to the virus (It somehow stops spreading, there is a vaccine, a proven medication or enough of the population becomes immune to provide herd immunity) happens and things can go back to 'normal', or the virus is still out there and contagious, in which case no crowded events, stadiums or theme parks are going to open.

There is no way to run a theme park in a safe manner that will be profitable to the parks. Imagine having to sanitize every ride car after every guest...constantly sanitizing the queues, tables, benches, etc. all day long... along with being low crowded enough to maintain distancing measures."

They can discuss those things all they want, it's not going to change the facts that they can't reopen until this is under control one way or another.
 
Discussed this on another Universal park page... My point there:

"None of these type 'Social Distancing' measures are going to open the parks... either a solution to the virus (It somehow stops spreading, there is a vaccine, a proven medication or enough of the population becomes immune to provide herd immunity) happens and things can go back to 'normal', or the virus is still out there and contagious, in which case no crowded events, stadiums or theme parks are going to open.

There is no way to run a theme park in a safe manner that will be profitable to the parks. Imagine having to sanitize every ride car after every guest...constantly sanitizing the queues, tables, benches, etc. all day long... along with being low crowded enough to maintain distancing measures."

They can discuss those things all they want, it's not going to change the facts that they can't reopen until this is under control one way or another.
I agree with what you said. I don't see any theme parks opening til fall the earliest. I will give Universal credit that at least they are talking about measures they want to put in place. Disney hasn't said anything and have a lot of people expecting them to open June 1st.
 
I agree with what you said. I don't see any theme parks opening til fall the earliest. I will give Universal credit that at least they are talking about measures they want to put in place. Disney hasn't said anything and have a lot of people expecting them to open June 1st.
If the governor opens the state of Florida to the point where things progress to “green light, wide open’; the parks would be on the receiving end of massive public backlash if they didn’t open in some limited fashion.

Things will probably start with the local residents. You have to remember, these parks are their ‘home turf’, part of their weekly routines. Anyone who expects full operation or normalization of services until a vaccine or herd immunity is reached, needs to take a beat and think.

I was happy to see Universal make their comments to the task force. Disney rarely tips their hand as to anything. I get it, better to stand pat than try to get the genie back in the bottle. They obviously have a multitude of strategies in place and will institute the one they feel is best, but in their own good time.

It would be foolish at best If any of the parks came out now and said they had a specific plan set in stone. Only after whatever experiments of social distancing play out, will the best path become clear. They are smart to hold back to watch and see how things progress in Florida in general before opening their huge entertainment complexes.

Nice they asked for input from the guests. Believe they were testing the waters, hoping to hear that many APH would stay away as most think the parks woun’t be able to operate anywhere near 50% capacity.

So many here have an us vs them mentality. When it comes to security issues, the parks have always had a rather united front. They obviously are communicating & are all in it together on this one. Just hope they make the right decision to benefit the public and the corporations.
 

If the governor opens the state of Florida to the point where things progress to “green light, wide open’; the parks would be on the receiving end of massive public backlash if they didn’t open in some limited fashion.

Things will probably start with the local residents. You have to remember, these parks are their ‘home turf’, part of their weekly routines. Anyone who expects full operation or normalization of services until a vaccine or herd immunity is reached, needs to take a beat and think.

I was happy to see Universal make their comments to the task force. Disney rarely tips their hand as to anything. I get it, better to stand pat than try to get the genie back in the bottle. They obviously have a multitude of strategies in place and will institute the one they feel is best, but in their own good time.

It would be foolish at best If any of the parks came out now and said they had a specific plan set in stone. Only after whatever experiments of social distancing play out, will the best path become clear. They are smart to hold back to watch and see how things progress in Florida in general before opening their huge entertainment complexes.

Nice they asked for input from the guests. Believe they were testing the waters, hoping to hear that many APH would stay away as most think the parks woun’t be able to operate anywhere near 50% capacity.

So many here have an us vs them mentality. When it comes to security issues, the parks have always had a rather united front. They obviously are communicating & are all in it together on this one. Just hope they make the right decision to benefit the public and the corporations.
I agree with all of that. Its too bad so many keep planning their vacations as if it will be normal upon opening.
 
I agree with all of that. Its too bad so many keep planning their vacations as if it will be normal upon opening.

Everyone’s lives are in such an upheaval. Do think many people are tightly hanging onto things that are pleasurable to them ala a lifesaver.

We need to accept that things will drastically change at the parks until the pandemic is resolved. Some will get there sooner than later, that’s all part of human nature.

Admittedly, I’m still holding onto that ring. Happy thoughts that whatever ‘park-lite’ experience is forthcoming later this summer, rolls into at least early winter, before perhaps taking a knee during flu season.

Here’s to our ‘new normal” more closely resembling what we enjoyed in the past!
 
If the governor opens the state of Florida to the point where things progress to “green light, wide open’; the parks would be on the receiving end of massive public backlash if they didn’t open in some limited fashion.

Things will probably start with the local residents. You have to remember, these parks are their ‘home turf’, part of their weekly routines. Anyone who expects full operation or normalization of services until a vaccine or herd immunity is reached, needs to take a beat and think.

I would think they would be receiving a massive public backlash if they did open.. especially if there is a massive surge or infections that resulted from them opening.. or if a large portion of their employees got infected. If they get a reputation as a place to get infected that's going to be an issue.

Again, what limited opening can they do that is profitable to them ? To get enough people in to make money, even just locals (which would be interesting to see, as many out of state people would be showing up), there would not be a distancing plan that would work. Even low attendance after hours events are based on being after a mostly full day of operation. It's an all or nothing situation.
 
To get enough people in to make money, even just locals (which would be interesting to see, as many out of state people would be showing up), there would not be a distancing plan that would work. Even low attendance after hours events are based on being after a mostly full day of operation. It's an all or nothing situation.
Who said anything about ‘making money’? Don’t think that’s on any of the park’s radar. They want to get the parks open to see how it goes, would rapidly know if they need to again close if things go south

Limited attractions & heavily modified. Locals with APs would be lined up at the gates. I tip my hat to those who go before me & wish them good luck.

Producing a FL photo id to enter parks initially easy enough. They could easily have their current APs reissued at GS with a photo ID as the old APs had to speed things up on the next visit.
 
I feel like opening the parks at all in during a very trial time would take a lot of effort, energy, and potentially a waste of money. They're already losing money and I would think it would be ill advised if they opened when things are still unsure as they'd lose even more money if they put the effort, energy, time, money into opening something only for few to show.

If they opened at all I think they would (or at least I would) wait until things are "open" for a little bit (see how the general public is with other things being open within FL) before making any moves. I'd rather have others see how it goes than risk myself and other guests of mine. As for the general speculation of backlash, I feel like it would be a double edged sword. I feel if they opened, they'd receive it and if they left it closed, they'd receive it as well.

Yesterday I sat at a picnic table near a beach, but nowhere near anyone else to have a picnic with my two parents (first time I did something out of the house well over a month) and in the distance I saw a ton of bikers (10-15) of them stand along a small, narrow walk way, which also forced other people who wanted to go to the beach to walk past them. I think that was was disrespectful. Not only ignoring "social distancing" for themselves, but forcing others to ignore those rules for a brief moment. I personally feel the beaches shouldn't be opened at all. Other places to explore, but that's another debate.

That's only one example of the type of behavior that is going on and this is without everything being "open". That being said, considering I've seen that type of behavior as well as other questionable things, I think it will be a herd of people once it's "green to go", I feel like a lot of people will forget what they've learned during this time (not everyone, but a lot), and if it happens before there is really a solution I think it's going to cause more issues than anything.

As my father said, "Adults don't like being told what to do." Naturally there are a lot of reasons why people want things to open, but I think that phrase explains a lot of it when he expressed why he feels a lot of people are protesting so much about it. Once we grow up, we feel like we can do anything we want, and don't wanna be told what to do. It makes sense to me. If teenagers can rebel due to feeling like "adults", why can't adults?

Either way, they'll definitely have to be thinking of a strategy of how they should open regardless. Even if there is magically a vaccine and Florida decides to open, that doesn't guaranteed everyone has the vaccine and/or everyone is cured. They're going to have to test the waters. I just hope it's later rather than sooner to make sure they're prepared, as well as everyone else.
 
Who said anything about ‘making money’? Don’t think that’s on any of the park’s radar. They want to get the parks open to see how it goes, would rapidly know if they need to again close if things go south

Why else would they open other than to make money ?... yes, if there was some plan they actually thought would work (which I don't believe there is until a real solution to the virus is made, or it's proven to have declined in it's mortality), there would be a few days of limited attendance to work out the kinks..but the ultimate goal would be to start generating revenue again quickly. They are getting ready to take a lot of employees off their books with furloughs, they aren't going to put them back on until it makes them money.

Do you believe they intend to have a limited opening and test /track the people who go to see what the impact is ? How would they do that ? Where would that money come from ? If you mean watching Florida in general to see if things go south, i'm sure a lot of people will be watching that...but I don't think the theme parks are going to want to be a part of that until it's proven to be manageable.. with the 2 week incubation period of the virus it's going to be a while to see if there is a disastrous outcome. But again, I don't see the theme parks wanting to be the testing grounds for that.

Maybe the phased re-openings will show that things can get back to 'normal' sooner than later.. we'll see.
 
Why else would they open other than to make money ?... yes, if there was some plan they actually thought would work (which I don't believe there is until a real solution to the virus is made, or it's proven to have declined in it's mortality), there would be a few days of limited attendance to work out the kinks..but the ultimate goal would be to start generating revenue again quickly. They are getting ready to take a lot of employees off their books with furloughs, they aren't going to put them back on until it makes them money.

Do you believe they intend to have a limited opening and test /track the people who go to see what the impact is ? How would they do that ? Where would that money come from ? If you mean watching Florida in general to see if things go south, i'm sure a lot of people will be watching that...but I don't think the theme parks are going to want to be a part of that until it's proven to be manageable.. with the 2 week incubation period of the virus it's going to be a while to see if there is a disastrous outcome. But again, I don't see the theme parks wanting to be the testing grounds for that.

Maybe the phased re-openings will show that things can get back to 'normal' sooner than later.. we'll see.
Yes they want to make money - no doubt - but I dont think they expect to make money day one.
People need to see its safe and test their procedures.
Like that scene in Jaws where no one will go into the water.....they get teat one family to do it - and then pretty soon everyone is in the water.
Maybe not a good example since we all know what happened next...

Producing a FL photo id to enter parks initially easy enough. They could easily have their current APs reissued at GS with a photo ID as the old APs had to speed things up on the next visit.
yeah - I tend to agree this is how they will open. The only safe reopening I see is FL residents only - dont bring people in from other states immediately.
 
Limited attractions & heavily modified. Locals with APs would be lined up at the gates. I tip my hat to those who go before me & wish them good luck.
I'm not sure when I would go back after they open. I would have to feel 100% safe before I would try.
 
It would be interesting to know what is Phase 1 of limited capacity. Considering how much a regular queue can fill I can’t imagine what it’d be like if all the spaces are 6ft apart.
 
I posted in a separate thread so it didn’t get lost

orange co task force’s recommendations to open the parks

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2020...y-orange-county-economic-recovery-task-force/

Just to be clear...i'm not arguing/debating with you in particular.. but these ideas about how they think parks can open.

Items from the article:

First...temperature checks of employees mean nothing other than they are currently fighting an infection of some kind. Yes, they shouldn't go to work when sick anyway..but the whole 2 week incubation period for Covid 19 means they could have been spreading the virus for that long before they ever got a temperature...as well as people who are infectious but never develop symptoms. Same applies to guests. Temperature checks are theatrics to make it look like they are doing something, but in reality it's not going to help.

The article states 50% capacity for Phase 1... Magic Kingdom has an estimated capacity of 100,000.. so at 50% that would be probably a normal regular day there. Even at 50% of that is 25,000 people, all maintaining 6ft distance walking around and in queues... even accounting for families who aren't staying 6ft apart there is almost no way to maintain that kind of spacing at that crowd level.. Yes, I've been in area's of parks with a lot of space around me at times, but that meant everyone was crowded somewhere else together. Even just going to the grocery store there are people who don't respect distancing.

"A wipe down of railings and surfaces would take place after each use " How many more people would they have to hire to even try to accomplish that ? How much would they have to slow ride loading down to be able to sanitize each ride car ( which assume would be operating at 1/2 capacity or less for spacing)? How would people feel about touching/sitting in chemicals all day long ? Yes, they do contact chemicals normally...but not at the level being described.

As the article states....these are only ideas of what they could do. This isn't a real plan to reopen the parks. People on multiple theme park boards keep waving these things around as solutions, but don't think through the logistics of actually doing these things, and that they may not make much of a difference anyway.
 
Temperature checks are theatrics to make it look like they are doing something, but in reality it's not going to help.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion :)

Upon opening, it will be apparent within a few weeks if the parks are truly ready to operate via contract tracing.

The recommendation of initial 50% capacity at MK seemed high to me too. I was expecting more like 25% for the first few weeks, with it slowy increased

My thought on temp checks is similar to how bag checks are very visible upon entering the parks. The check points are designed to assuage nervous guests as well as deter & catch contraband.
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion :)

Upon opening, it will be apparent within a few weeks if the parks are truly ready to operate via contract tracing.

The recommendation of initial 50% capacity at MK seemed high to me too. I was expecting more like 25% for the first few weeks, with it slowly increased

My thought on temp checks is similar to how bag checks are very visible upon entering the parks. The check points are designed to assuage nervous guests as well as deter & catch contraband.
I agree with Greg on the temperature thing - people were taking Tylenol to beat the temperature check with the TSA.
That being said - if it makes people comfortable then I dont see a big issue with it.
Much of the security at airports is theater, but it got people flying again. (As you point out)

Like you, I was also surprised by the 50% - seems pretty high.
Then I saw an interview with the Governor of FL.
He mentioned that if you were coming in from certain states you have to self quarantine for two weeks.
He said he is working on that - but that would make it tough to get that 50%.

One other thing I was thinking - these are minimum requirements and guidelines.
The parks could decide to do 25% to start and then decide when to go to 50% so the state does not have to be involved in that
 
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I think if the parks do reopen, they will open like this:

1.) The shops and restaurants in Citywalk will slowly open. One or two shops will open. Then a few restaurants will reopen. Then a few more.

2.) Hotels will slowly open. 1-2 onsite resorts will open at a time.

3.) Blue Man Group will open with limited capacity.

4.) Parks will reopen with shortened hours (like 9 am to 5 pm) or open in stages, with some less popular areas opening later in the day.
 












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