Unique?

[hacknsuit]

I've been catching that not all resorts, all UYs, have the same amount of points. So, how can you find out what UYs in each resort have the biggest availability and the least?

 

[DebbieB]

I've been catching that not all resorts, all UYs, have the same amount of points. So, how can you find out what UYs in each resort have the biggest availability and the least?

I don't know if that's true. I think originally they all had the same. As they started selling, some use years sold before others but once a resort is soldout, it should be pretty even.

 

[Sandisw]

I think there are threads around that have that information. I know that for BLT, Feb UY seems to be the one assigned the most points. I know there are a lot more points for that UY than there are for my UY, which is June.

 

[vicki_c]

Just curious though, what is the relevance of the question? For what does it matter? (Not in a snarky way, just trying to figure out what use that information would be.)

 

[mdsd8700]

I think there are threads around that have that information. I know that for BLT, Feb UY seems to be the one assigned the most points. I know there are a lot more points for that UY than there are for my UY, which is June.

It does seem for BLT that there are plenty of February and June when looking at the resale boards. I have August at BLT and there seems to be less of those. Possibly when the resort is completely sold out it will be more evenly distributed?

 

[wdrl]

Based on deeds filed by Disney with the Orange County Comptroller, there is an uneven distribution of points by Use Year at each of the WDW DVC resorts. Here is a link to some data that I posted to a thread a few weeks ago: http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=39253659&postcount=18. As others have posted, BLT seems to have a very pronounced imbalance with the February UY accounting for over a third of BLT's total points. Since there is only 7.85% of BLT left to be declared for the DVC membership, February will still account for a huge piece of BLT's total points once all declarations at BLT are complete.

 

[quinnc19]

Not the OP, but it seems as though this info might be useful in terms of picking a first UY (e.g., if one wanted to add-on via resale in the future, more contracts are available in some UY than others).

Just curious though, what is the relevance of the question? For what does it matter? (Not in a snarky way, just trying to figure out what use that information would be.)

 

[FindingFigment]

Not the OP, but it seems as though this info might be useful in terms of picking a first UY (e.g., if one wanted to add-on via resale in the future, more contracts are available in some UY than others).

That's my understanding as well. For example, there have been threads in the past where people have discussed how challenging it is to find a Sept UY on the resale market for BCV. For the people who started with Sept and now want to add on, they're having to wait quite a while before one becomes available.

 

[tjkraz]

Not the OP, but it seems as though this info might be useful in terms of picking a first UY (e.g., if one wanted to add-on via resale in the future, more contracts are available in some UY than others).

Perhaps that was the intent but since OP specifically used the word "availability", it's worth noting that Use Years have absolutely no bearing on the ability to secure reservations at a DVC resort. The UY owned has no impact on room availability.

Apparently there are differences in point inventory across the Use Years and that could impact future add-on decisions. But that seems like an odd justification to use for picking one UY over another.

 

[hroyale]

Another possibility is if the OP is trying to choose which resort to buy into but they have a particular UY in mind. If they are worried that UY might sell out it might push them to buy sooner than later.

 

[Mousewerks]

Just trying to see if my understanding is correct.

Owning at a given resort gives you the 11 month window to make a reservation. The UY has nothing to do with that 11 month window, only the date of the reservation, correct?. If that's true that having multiple use years at a single resort shouldn't matter as long as the points are available when you want to vacation. It may be troublesome to specify which contract you want to use when making the reservation but this should work right?

 

[tjkraz]

Just trying to see if my understanding is correct.

Owning at a given resort gives you the 11 month window to make a reservation. The UY has nothing to do with that 11 month window, only the date of the reservation, correct?.

Correct

If that's true that having multiple use years at a single resort shouldn't matter as long as the points are available when you want to vacation. It may be troublesome to specify which contract you want to use when making the reservation but this should work right?

The biggest issue with owning multiple Use Years--whether same resort or different--is combining points for a single reservation.

If you add-on through DVC they will give you the same Use Year and all of the contracts will be consolidated under a single membership number.

If you buy additional contracts resale and get the same Use Year as what is currently owned, you can request that DVC make the resale contract a subordinate to an existing Master.

However, if you get a different Use Year, it will absolutely fall under a separate membership number. The only way to combine points from those contracts is via transfer and owners are limited to one transfer per year. There are also other restrictions related to transfers.

Unless you have a rock solid plan for using the points from each contract independently, you will undoubtedly run into problems trying to combine them at some point. I certainly wouldn't recommend buying a different Use Year just to save a couple bucks on an attractive resale. That penny-pinching move could cost you 30-50 years worth of hassles generated by dealing with the multiple Use Years.

 

[chalee94]

Owning at a given resort gives you the 11 month window to make a reservation.

for those points and only those points, yes.

The UY has nothing to do with that 11 month window, only the date of the reservation, correct?

correct.

If that's true that having multiple use years at a single resort shouldn't matter as long as the points are available when you want to vacation.

you cannot pool pts from different member numbers for one night. so you can call and book 3 nights with contract A and 4 nights with contract B but you cannot pool the points from both contracts to book an 8th night, for example. (unless you transfer the pts from contract A to B...using up the once-per-year transfer from both resorts.)

and when you called at 11 months to book the first 3 nights with contract A, i believe you'd still have to wait a few nights to book the next 4 nights since it is a separate member number - with one member number you could combine pts to book 7 nights straight.

you'd also have to ask MS to link the separate 3 and 4 night reservations, since your different member numbers would have separate reservation numbers.

transferring limits some of the hassle, but if MS counts it as using up both contracts' annual transfer, it may limit some of your options elsewhere...

 

[Mousewerks]

If you buy additional contracts resale and get the same Use Year as what is currently owned, you can request that DVC make the resale contract a subordinate to an existing Master.

However, if you get a different Use Year, it will absolutely fall under a separate membership number. The only way to combine points from those contracts is via transfer and owners are limited to one transfer per year. There are also other restrictions related to transfers.

Ah, that's what I was missing -- the multiple membership numbers. So in my theoretical case, you'd have to always transfer points between contracts to use them both. Thus, it matters a great deal which Use Years have the majority of points so you can get a use year that's "more liquid" if you're looking to add on via resale.

Thanks.

 

[vicki_c]

So glad I asked the question then - very enlightening discussion. I never gave it much thought in terms of adding on or availability of resales with my use year.

 

[hacknsuit]

Just curious though, what is the relevance of the question? For what does it matter? (Not in a snarky way, just trying to figure out what use that information would be.)

Wow! Seemed to have started an interesting thread!

Ultimately I guess I was just curious, like I said, I've seen other discussions on how it "appears" certain UYs in certain resorts are more limited than other UYs. Maybe just because less, or more, people are selling.

I guess too, I was speculating a bit.! If you were to buy into a resort and UY that represented only (say) 5% of the avaliable points, then you could rationalize, maybe mistakenly, there would be more intrinsic value; less supply.

As for me, I have Dec UY for both BWV(waiting ROFR) and VWL, and I did have to hunt for a "good" December add on; but ultimately, I really never understood the real difference in UY. You can always borrow points if you need to, but still can't make reservations any earlier than 11 months out, so I can only guess the ultimate issue is when your last banking day is in relation to when you're most likely to travel, so as not to lose points.

I appreciate all the input!

 

[hacknsuit]

Based on deeds filed by Disney with the Orange County Comptroller, there is an uneven distribution of points by Use Year at each of the WDW DVC resorts. Here is a link to some data that I posted to a thread a few weeks ago: http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=39253659&postcount=18. As others have posted, BLT seems to have a very pronounced imbalance with the February UY accounting for over a third of BLT's total points. Since there is only 7.85% of BLT left to be declared for the DVC membership, February will still account for a huge piece of BLT's total points once all declarations at BLT are complete.

The link is really good! If I would have seen this last week, I may have made a different decision!