Unfathomable: Church Massacre

Another observation...Obama said that far too many of these shootings have occurred that he has to talk about, some contributed this to people being outraged at having a black president, while maybe for some this is true, but also could it not just be that more of this has increased with the use of the Internet. Now folks who have these evil thoughts, whether they are against blacks, whites, gays etc, have an easier time finding literature to read, finding like minded people. This feeds into their delusions.
 
I don't pretend to have answers. At all. But in my gut I feel like we need some better leaders in this country who can bring all the different factions of people we have here together, as a nation. Problem is, once people start trying, they're either called names or shot down, etc.

I know in my job, as a nurse, I see people at their most human, vulnerable level. It doesn't matter what color skin is, or how much money is in the bank, whose father or mother someone is or what type of career someone had, it all boils down to this when facing illness or death: We are all the same when it comes to human-ness. That's where we need to start.

I always imagine that (in the farthest stretch of the imagination) if we somehow got invaded by otherworldly aliens, we'd find a way really quickly to band together for our common good. What is holding us back from doing that now? (I know the answer, but just putting it out there for thought.)

no one will talk about it because once the conversation starts, people tend to ignore facts and get caught up in histrionics - You're a racist! No I'm not, you hate white people!...etc. and then everyone gets hung up on that and then the issue is pushed to the background again because everybody is afraid to say anything.

Every time something like this happens, some idiot posts something that either is or can be taken as racist and then everyone wants to discuss that particular stupid comment and every other insightful post gets lost. Happens in real life conversation also.
 

if anyone thinks racism is a one way street your wrong.

This is a link of 10 mins speak that is was on cnn, he had me heart and soul till 2.5 mins in, till he started his rant on how white people are trying to kill all black people.

A professor at North Carolina State University since 2003.

The ending is better....

if anyone thinks racism is a one way street your wrong.

This is a link of 10 mins speak that is was on cnn, he had me heart and soul till 2.5 mins in, till he started his rant on how white people are trying to kill all black people.

A professor at North Carolina State University since 2003.

The ending is better....
Who said white people cornered the market on racism???

Dr. Kambon was a professor at the HBCU I attended in NC (86-90). I had him for several classes. Back then I thought he was harmless.

I believe I first saw the posted video in 2008. He has gone from taking pride in our race/history into full on hate and racism.

I do not think he's mentally ill, or a loner or a black man who has been wronged by THE MAN.... Hell, he has lived the American dream. He and I grew up the Bed-Stuy section of Brooklyn long before gentrification (I still live here). He has a PhD and is an Ivy League grad.

He's a hate filled racist.
 

Probably the reason mental illness is brought up so often in these types of shootings is because let's face it, it's usually a while male who does mass shootings. And I would think, to be able to pull off such a horrible crime, you need to be mentally unstable?


In this case, the guy was a racist. Not sure how that can even be argued. Or why it would be argued.

I think you have 2 separate topics there. While true these crimes are more often perpetrated by white males, I don't believe that fact has anything to do with the mental illness comment. That comment is based on the crime, not on who the perp is.

I'm pretty sure everyone is on agreement with the state judge who declared the Va Tech shooter incompetent. And he wasn't white. Nor the beltway shooters.
 
I think you have 2 separate topics there. While true these crimes are more often perpetrated by white males, I don't believe that fact has anything to do with the mental illness comment. That comment is based on the crime, not on who the perp is.

I'm pretty sure everyone is on agreement with the state judge who declared the Va Tech shooter incompetent. And he wasn't white. Nor the beltway shooters.

I think you missed my point - one poster was arguing about the fact that when it's a white male who did the mass shooting, we say it's mental illness, but if it's a black male, we wouldn't go to that conclusion. I'm saying it seems that way because mental illness is usually the "reason" for these types of mass shootings and the perp is usually a white male - so it would seem we always use mental illness for an excuse for a white male.
And that's why mental illness is brought up again here, mass shooting, where criminal is happens to be white. I agree, it's the type of crime that brings the mental illness argument, not the color of the criminal.
 
This is so absurd I don't even know if there is a typo in there somewhere? Can you please clarify?

No typo except I did leave out, IMO which should have been there. This is just my opinion.

Here is a snippet of an article/blog post that I feel explains what I meant.

Racism exists when prejudice+power combine to form social constructs, legislation and widespread media bias that contribute to the oppression of the rights and liberties of a group of people. Racism is systemic, institutional, and far reaching. It is the prevalence of racism within social structures and institutional norms, along with implicit and explicit enforcement by members of a group, that allows racism to run rampant and unchecked. America is a country seeped in white privilege, and our social structure is built on colonization and forced slave labor that then turned into further systemic and ongoing oppression of PoC. We have a culture that presents whiteness as the norm and all else as ‘other’ or different. White is presented as the beauty ideal, the main face in the media (unless we’re talking about criminals, then PoC get unfairly misrepresented), the standard, the regular. It’s a structural problem that affects the perceptions of jurors in criminal cases, admissions to colleges, funding for public schools, welfare and food stamp programs, the redrawing of district lines that affect where we vote, who we see represented on T.V. and how, what schools people have access to, what neighborhoods people live in, an individual’s shopping experience, access to goods and services; it’s extensive and a part of the fabric that let’s whiteness remain dominant in American culture.
Here is the link for credit : http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/08/racist-against-white-people/

Of course there are bigots and racial prejudice against white people, but I don't think it comes close to the true racism experienced not just by POC but any non-white peoples, including Jews in this country.

We can agree to disagree.
 
Here is a whole list of black people that have mass murdered, knock yourself out

https://blackpeoria.wordpress.com/list-of-black-serial-killers/

Oh and if you read this thread eailer, plenty of people have been saying his parents or lack of parenting made him a racist and hinted to his "white"community.

What im saying is Mental illness is the biggest factor in all mass shooting not your skin color.

We the people have no control over what the talking heads blah blah blah on about, but they are the biggest factor in cont. the racism in america


Oh good grief. I'm not denying that black people can be serial killers. The question is how the cause of their misdeeds is described. I'm asking whether anyone who denies that race played an issue here can identify a black murderer where the FIRST thing reported is "he must be mentally ill." I can tell you for a fact that the last three white people I remember going on killing rampages (the CT school shooting, the Denver theater shooting, and this one) were all quickly labeled "mentally ill." That's what we're talking about.
 
Oh good grief. I'm not denying that black people can be serial killers. The question is how the cause of their misdeeds is described. I'm asking whether anyone who denies that race played an issue here can identify a black murderer where the FIRST thing reported is "he must be mentally ill." I can tell you for a fact that the last three white people I remember going on killing rampages (the CT school shooting, the Denver theater shooting, and this one) were all quickly labeled "mentally ill." That's what we're talking about.

I didn't read the link - but off the top of my head I can't remember the last mass murder committed by a black male. But in my head, if a black man went in a school and shot up a bunch of little kids, yes, I would think he was mentally ill.

The gang shootings that happen here in Chicago? No, I don't jump to mental illness as a defense- for any race.
 
Oh good grief. I'm not denying that black people can be serial killers. The question is how the cause of their misdeeds is described. I'm asking whether anyone who denies that race played an issue here can identify a black murderer where the FIRST thing reported is "he must be mentally ill." I can tell you for a fact that the last three white people I remember going on killing rampages (the CT school shooting, the Denver theater shooting, and this one) were all quickly labeled "mentally ill." That's what we're talking about.

who is the last black person to commit a mass murder like this, this is a serious question, I can not think of anyone that made national headlines ...because it has been pointed out that the DC snipers and the VA Tech murderers, both nonwhite, were described by the media as mentally ill. Not sure how far one needs to go back in history to satisfy what you are saying is false. And eliza said no black man ever was described as mentally ill, probably hyperbole, but as shown an inaccurate statement.
 
Oh good grief. I'm not denying that black people can be serial killers. The question is how the cause of their misdeeds is described. I'm asking whether anyone who denies that race played an issue here can identify a black murderer where the FIRST thing reported is "he must be mentally ill." I can tell you for a fact that the last three white people I remember going on killing rampages (the CT school shooting, the Denver theater shooting, and this one) were all quickly labeled "mentally ill." That's what we're talking about.

Have you seen ANY evidence that would lead you to believe the Newtown & Aurora shooters weren't nuts? Maybe they weren't labeled as nuts because of their color. Maybe they were labeled nuts because clearly they are.
 
I think you missed my point - one poster was arguing about the fact that when it's a white male who did the mass shooting, we say it's mental illness, but if it's a black male, we wouldn't go to that conclusion. I'm saying it seems that way because mental illness is usually the "reason" for these types of mass shootings and the perp is usually a white male - so it would seem we always use mental illness for an excuse for a white male.
And that's why mental illness is brought up again here, mass shooting, where criminal is happens to be white. I agree, it's the type of crime that brings the mental illness argument, not the color of the criminal.

Navy Yard shooter was black and clearly mentally ill. No one had a problem reporting that he was.
 
who is the last black person to commit a mass murder like this, this is a serious question, I can not think of anyone that made national headlines ...because it has been pointed out that the DC snipers and the VA Tech murderers, both nonwhite, were described by the media as mentally ill. Not sure how far one needs to go back in history to satisfy what you are saying is false. And eliza said no black man ever was described as mentally ill, probably hyperbole, but as shown an inaccurate statement.

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis.
 
Have you seen ANY evidence that would lead you to believe the Newtown & Aurora shooters weren't nuts? Maybe they weren't labeled as nuts because of their color. Maybe they were labeled nuts because clearly they are.

I have to say, even as a layperson merely looking to news coverage for information I absolutely believe the Aurora shooter is deranged, completely and utterly unhinged. It is my belief he was not competent at the time of the shooting and isn't now. I don't feel he meets the standards for criminal responsibility. I do not believe he can ever be allowed out into society again, but I believe he is profoundly ill. I suspect the same of the Newtown shooter, but he obviously didn't survive and therefore cannot be observed after the fact.

My gut feeling is Roof is mentally ill yet not in that same category. From what is being reported at this point I have no problem with his being tried, convicted and sentenced for his crimes, particularly as I feel he had an understanding what he was doing was wrong and knowingly went forward with his actions. I don't feel he can ever be allowed out into society again because I feel his punishment should demand his liberty be permanently revoked.
 
Here's the thing, there is no racism against white people. Of course, someone can be a bigot against a white person but racist? No.
You might want to look up an accurate, authentic definition of racism. You seem to be confused as to what it means.
 
Spoke to who, the shooter?

ETA: I see now, they offered up forgiveness. Amazing strength, mindboggling. I hope it means they will find peace with their losses. My heart goes out to them.
They put him on a webcam, for security purposes. The victims did speak to him.
 
Just watched his hearing for bond. The church members spoke to him.

I just that too..... Omg these good people have lost so much and are telling him that they forgive him.
Its so awful that this animal did this to good innocent people, who welcomed him into their church with open arms. He is a racist pig who will burn in hell. He is not insane is he pure evil.
 












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