Unfair :(

[LarryNabisco]

Suckers? Seriously?

I have run the numbers six ways to Sunday and staying on site is less expensive than offsite for us. Of course, we are perfectly content to stay in a basic, clean room... and love that our party can come and go at will, without the need to coordinate based on a vehicle. Or worry about being too tired to drive when we leave the parks, after a day of fun on too little sleep. Or moving the car a thousand times as we park hop.

It doesn't mean we're suckers. It means that the perks of staying on site are the best fit for our group.

Thought my post was pretty clear that transportation is the only real value of a Disney resort.

Aside from the trans, if you are into paying for a small room with behind the time accommodations, offering not quite as good amenities as other hotels in the area all the power to you.

The only decent hotel on property is Swan and Dolphin.

 

[JaimeA]

Suckers? Seriously?

I have run the numbers six ways to Sunday and staying on site is less expensive than offsite for us. Of course, we are perfectly content to stay in a basic, clean room... and love that our party can come and go at will, without the need to coordinate based on a vehicle. Or worry about being too tired to drive when we leave the parks, after a day of fun on too little sleep. Or moving the car a thousand times as we park hop.

It doesn't mean we're suckers. It means that the perks of staying on site are the best fit for our group.

This. We love to be in the bubble! We Would never stay offsite. But that is what works for us.

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[Magpie]

Honestly, those that stay onsite in some respects are suckers.

Right now I think off site guests are getting screwed over.

We can't win!

 

[MrInfinity]

Disney's Fastpass (+ or - ) is not the same thing as Universal's Express Pass. They are COMPLETELY different systems. Not even comparable.

They're certainly comparable. As in able to be compared. If ppl are comparing them, they have similar facets or goals (like being generally systems that get one on rides w/o having to wait in lines) then you can compare them.

And everyone who walks through a turnstile with a valid ticket is a "paying customer". Unless, by some stroke of luck, their admission was free.

But some pay for one product some pay more for another.

You pay for admission everyone gets admission.

You pay for a resort (which comes w FP+) you get the resort and FP+.

There is no justification to demand that Disney sell these things separately.

Like if you don't stay on club level... can you demand that Disney offer club level access for a price? No. You pay more for the club level room and you get ALL the club benefits. You can't buy the cheap room, then pick and choose certain club level benefits and demand those separately.

If you want FP+, buy it. Get the resort. Pay the cost. If that isn't worth it to you, then don't. But it's not "unfair" that Dis won't sell it separately. It's business and them leveraging something you want to get more of your money.

 

[mickey4ever]

for all of those complaining about disney, don't go. It just makes it or roomier for the ones that do go and love it .

 

[Robbi]

for all of those complaining about disney, don't go. It just makes it or roomier for the ones that do go and love it .

I've only seen a post like this 1 bazillion times.

 

[JMW123]

I agree that the new FP+ systems and it loopholes are completely unfair. If I was staying offsite, I would be steaming mad and considering a switch. But, fortunately I am staying onsite and I leave for WDW in 1.5 weeks and....

1. Already have FP+'s all booked including 2 days in Epcot with TT, Soarin, & Maelstrom each day (made before the tier system)
2. I have AP's, so you can bet they will be getting put in the old machines during morning magic hours
3. As a DVC'er with a scrap-booking wife, I also have about 30 room only KTTW's from all our prior visits, packed and ready to go.

So, for all you off-siters, I am sorry but I am seeing a once in a lifetime opportunity where I am in the right side of and unfair system, and I can't help but to take advantage of it. If I where offsite, I would hate me, but if you were in my shoes wouldn't you be doing exactly what I am planning?

I am sure there are few who would not, but I bet there are far more that would, like 1% to 99%.

 

[Sheilby]

I am staying onsite and I still can't participate in FP+....

Why not?

 

[zetachi]

I agree that the new FP+ systems and it loopholes are completely unfair. If I was staying offsite, I would be steaming mad and considering a switch. But, fortunately I am staying onsite and I leave for WDW in 1.5 weeks and....

1. Already have FP+'s all booked including 2 days in Epcot with TT, Soarin, & Maelstrom each day (made before the tier system)
2. I have AP's, so you can bet they will be getting put in the old machines during morning magic hours
3. As a DVC'er with a scrap-booking wife, I also have about 30 room only KTTW's from all our prior visits, packed and ready to go.

So, for all you off-siters, I am sorry but I am seeing a once in a lifetime opportunity where I am in the right side of and unfair system, and I can't help but to take advantage of it. If I where offsite, I would hate me, but if you were in my shoes wouldn't you be doing exactly what I am planning?

I am sure there are few who would not, but I bet there are far more that would, like 1% to 99%.

No offence but I'm glad you'll be gone before we arrived so we have a chance to ride some tier one's, as this is the main reason I'm pissed.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

I agree that the new FP+ systems and it loopholes are completely unfair. If I was staying offsite, I would be steaming mad and considering a switch. But, fortunately I am staying onsite and I leave for WDW in 1.5 weeks and....

1. Already have FP+'s all booked including 2 days in Epcot with TT, Soarin, & Maelstrom each day (made before the tier system)
2. I have AP's, so you can bet they will be getting put in the old machines during morning magic hours
3. As a DVC'er with a scrap-booking wife, I also have about 30 room only KTTW's from all our prior visits, packed and ready to go.

So, for all you off-siters, I am sorry but I am seeing a once in a lifetime opportunity where I am in the right side of and unfair system, and I can't help but to take advantage of it. If I where offsite, I would hate me, but if you were in my shoes wouldn't you be doing exactly what I am planning?

I am sure there are few who would not, but I bet there are far more that would, like 1% to 99%.

How will you be able to use them all? If I get a kttw card on my next trip I do plan on using for FP_ and I don't feel this is cheating since Disney tells people to dobit. However, I do not think it's right to use old cards and I wouldn't do it.

 

[JMW123]

How will you be able to use them all? If I get a kttw card on my next trip I do plan on using for FP_ and I don't feel this is cheating since Disney tells people to dobit. However, I do not think it's right to use old cards and I wouldn't do it.

We have DS3 and DS5, so there are only a few rides we will hit hard like TSM, Peter Pan, Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, BTMRR, etc... As for things like Splash mtn, Soarin and Test track, etc... once or twice a day is more than enough.

Also given our kids ages, we will inevitably end up hitting playgrounds like the Honey I shrunk the kids play area etc... And our kids always end up making friends at these, so I was thinking we will let our kids surprise some of their friends when we leave the playground with a little magic of our own.

Also, do you have any old room only KTTW's. It is much easier to say you would not use them if they are not burning a hole in your pocket. If you have them and you are not taking them, then you are a better person than I. Those old KTTW's represent a lot of my hard earned money invested in Disney, so I do not feel too bad cashing in those old investments.

 

[robpa]

This. We love to be in the bubble! We Would never stay offsite. But that is what works for us.

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Then isn't being in the bubble one of the perks of a hotel on property?

 

[practicallyperfect77]

We have DS3 and DS5, so there are only a few rides we will hit hard like TSM, Peter Pan, Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, BTMRR, etc... As for things like Splash mtn, Soarin and Test track, etc... once or twice a day is more than enough.

Also given our kids ages, we will inevitably end up hitting playgrounds like the Honey I shrunk the kids play area etc... And our kids always end up making friends at these, so I was thinking we will let our kids surprise some of their friends when we leave the playground with a little magic of our own.

Also, do you have any old room only KTTW's. It is much easier to say you would not use them if they are not burning a hole in your pocket. If you have them and you are not taking them, then you are a better person than I. Those old KTTW's represent a lot of my hard earned money invested in Disney, so I do not feel too bad cashing in those old investments.

I do believe I have 1 card lying around here somewhere, but not positive. I'm sure my BFF has several and she lives 5 miles away so I could easily get some if I wanted to. I think my plan of arriving at RD and riding til lunch and then hopping and using my FP+ will work out just fine. I do think it's great that you can share some magic with others though.

 

[robpa]

They're certainly comparable. As in able to be compared. If ppl are comparing them, they have similar facets or goals (like being generally systems that get one on rides w/o having to wait in lines) then you can compare them.

They are not comparable because fp+ in its current state is 3 rides per day and only 1 headliner in some of the parks. Express for resort guests at Universal is FOTL all day for all headliners and for paying guests 1 ride on each headliner which is more than 3. Not sure how they are comparable.

 

[wen8jr]

Honestly, those that stay onsite in some respects are suckers.
Unless you rely on the bus and magical express, there is little to no incentive to stay onsite versus the Gaylord Palms for instance.

We (my family) are well aware of our options if we want to stay offsite, I would not say we are suckers for staying onsite since we make the choice to do so.

Gaylord hotel rooms (your example) are only a little bit nicer than Disney's IMO and they are not cheap either unless you get a deal....which are very hard to find since Marriott bought them out. Gaylord does have some unique amenities such as the atrium to walk around in and they do have onsite restaurants but they are not cheap by any means either. We've stayed at them often but not for Disney trips. Overall, they are impersonal toward their guests.

While I agree that the actual Disney rooms are lacking in some respects we find it very nice to park our car, unpack and stay onsite 24/7 without getting behind the wheel of our car again for a week or more. It just seems easier for us. We hate driving to the parks. And nothing beats taking a boat to DTD rather than driving there. We do the same when going to Universal.

A house rental or condo located in some neighborhood and the driving into Disney would just feel weird to our family since all we do is Disney World when there. I wouldn't find it exciting at all to stay offsite. But we don't cook while on vacation and there are just 3 of us most trips so room is not a problem.

Most people choose based on their likes, not because they are suckers. We are looking forward to taking advantage of the FP+ testing during our trip. If Disney keeps this incentive for their onsite guests, they will see us returning.

 

[MrInfinity]

They're certainly comparable. As in able to be compared. If ppl are comparing them, they have similar facets or goals (like being generally systems that get one on rides w/o having to wait in lines) then you can compare them.

They are not comparable because fp+ in its current state is 3 rides per day and only 1 headliner in some of the parks. Express for resort guests at Universal is FOTL all day for all headliners and for paying guests 1 ride on each headliner which is more than 3. Not sure how they are comparable.

Heh... You just compared them.

 

[Planogirl]

Did you read my post???? I was not lecturing anyone. Just that this is a test period. Also they kept using SW and U as an example of a system that works but they had to test that out too. And when I said, than all of these threads will be over, is hoping that after all the testing there is no more problems and everyone gets FP. Everyone please don't read more into a post than what is there. I really did not mean for it to be a lecture, just MHO.

Laura (sorry had to many Laura's in the post)

Note that I said "I can't speak for the other DISer and I have no idea if you did any of that but I suspect that all of this makes some DISers a little sensitive". I meant that as a comment about posts in general, not yours specifically. I personally didn't see your particular post as a lecture at all.

 

[wen8jr]

They're certainly comparable. As in able to be compared. If ppl are comparing them, they have similar facets or goals (like being generally systems that get one on rides w/o having to wait in lines) then you can compare them.

They are not comparable because fp+ in its current state is 3 rides per day and only 1 headliner in some of the parks. Express for resort guests at Universal is FOTL all day for all headliners and for paying guests 1 ride on each headliner which is more than 3. Not sure how they are comparable.

They are comparable, but not exactly the same. As the OP said you can certainly compare without something being an exact mirror image but are similar. FP- and express pass could be compared without FP+ even being involved as both are FOTL type systems. It is no different than if you are shopping for a computer or a car and one computer is basic and another has all the bells and whistles.

That being said IMO Universal onsite benefits to resort guests by far exceeds anything Disney can offer for their onsite guests...unless of course they give unlimited FOTL access. And Universal resorts are very nice.

However, if Disney gives us the opportunity to reserve ride times in advance if we continue to stay onsite that is an improvement over the FP- and it is even more comparable to what Universal offers their guests as it ensures you will get a FOTL pass. With FP- there was absolutely no guarantee that you would even get a FP, especially during peak times, unless you arrived early.

 

[FrugalFashionista]

Honestly, those that stay onsite in some respects are suckers. Unless you rely on the bus and magical express, there is little to no incentive to stay onsite versus the Gaylord Palms for instance.

We got a lot more for staying on site. Yes my room is probably not as nice, but I don't plan in being in my room much. Plus we got free dining and are using Disney transportation. However, had we not gotten free dining we probably would have stayed off site.

 

[Planogirl]

I've only seen a post like this 1 bazillion times.

I agree that the new FP+ systems and it loopholes are completely unfair. If I was staying offsite, I would be steaming mad and considering a switch. But, fortunately I am staying onsite and I leave for WDW in 1.5 weeks and....

1. Already have FP+'s all booked including 2 days in Epcot with TT, Soarin, & Maelstrom each day (made before the tier system)
2. I have AP's, so you can bet they will be getting put in the old machines during morning magic hours
3. As a DVC'er with a scrap-booking wife, I also have about 30 room only KTTW's from all our prior visits, packed and ready to go.

So, for all you off-siters, I am sorry but I am seeing a once in a lifetime opportunity where I am in the right side of and unfair system, and I can't help but to take advantage of it. If I where offsite, I would hate me, but if you were in my shoes wouldn't you be doing exactly what I am planning?

I am sure there are few who would not, but I bet there are far more that would, like 1% to 99%.

I certainly don't hate you. I would do exactly the same thing if I could.

They're certainly comparable. As in able to be compared. If ppl are comparing them, they have similar facets or goals (like being generally systems that get one on rides w/o having to wait in lines) then you can compare them.

They are not comparable because fp+ in its current state is 3 rides per day and only 1 headliner in some of the parks. Express for resort guests at Universal is FOTL all day for all headliners and for paying guests 1 ride on each headliner which is more than 3. Not sure how they are comparable.

Technically it's not really FOTL. You still have to wait in line behind others with Express access much like Disney's fastpasses. To me FOTL infers that you get to pass everyone else but that isn't exactly true.

It's true that the few onsite resorts at Universal don't really seem to have too much effect on standby. Plus if it gets really crowded there is always that ability to buy Express passes if needed which is something that Disney doesn't offer. At least not yet. Plus of course you get far more than 3 attractions.