Ultimate goal of Fastpass+

Nothing new here.

Although getting rid of free dining would be a huge improvement in food quality.

Unfortunately that ship has probably sailed. Disney has seen that they can eek by with lower cost offerings. As much as many would like to go back, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
I still think they will sell extra fp once the system is up and running. I don't get the capacity issue. I have seen our local six flags on days where they are close to capacity and they still sell their express pass. They just have a limited amount and it is first come first serve. You can also buy it in advance when you buy your tickets online. I don't see why WDW wouldn't reserve a certain amount to sell even if it is just day of. I would think the difference would be they are telling you what ride you can purchase. $5 per FP+ for Space Mtn. at 2pm-3pm gets emailed to you once you have used all of your FP. People in the park will jump all over that. Your kids are tired of waiting, they just want to get on a ride, you burned all your FP+ early and all SB waits for everything good is 40 minutes +.
 
Six Flags is no example for anyone to emulate. They have hovered on the thin edge of solvency for decades. They sell annual passes for cheap as a loss leader to try to get bodies in the parks so that they can sell them line skipping passes, horrendously overpriced and awful food that makes Disney fare look like Michelin Star dining, and lots and lots of expensive games and souvenirs. They aspire to be a Disney-type park, but I assure you that Disney does not aspire to be more like Six Flags!
 
honestly though paying for line passes is fairly common now and has been for years. I live by many parks and they all offer it. The difference is they always charged for it.

Most of those other parks do not charge $700 for an annual pass or anywheres near the cost to go to their parks in general. If they then charge on top of that to avoid having to wait 60-90 minutes I tend to think those other parks will get busier.
 

Unfortunately that ship has probably sailed. Disney has seen that they can eek by with lower cost offerings. As much as many would like to go back, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Maybe, but keeping free dining certainly won't improve the food-at least having everyone pay out of pocket will force some kind of internal (and external) competition.
 
I hope they have a "pay extra to skip lines" option. I would certainly be happy to give them my money to skip ahead of the masses.

They already have a "Stay in a Disney Resort and Get Exclusive Access" option... which includes 60-day advance reservations for specific rides. Give them money by staying on property.
 
Six Flags is no example for anyone to emulate. They have hovered on the thin edge of solvency for decades. They sell annual passes for cheap as a loss leader to try to get bodies in the parks so that they can sell them line skipping passes, horrendously overpriced and awful food that makes Disney fare look like Michelin Star dining, and lots and lots of expensive games and souvenirs. They aspire to be a Disney-type park, but I assure you that Disney does not aspire to be more like Six Flags!

My point wasn't that Disney should aspire to be Six Flags, but that there are times where Six Flags is near capacity and still is able to sell express pass. I am just saying that I don't buy the capacity issue as a reason to why they won't sell them. They can figure out a way to eek out a few hundred to sell per headliner a day to sell, giving them a potential profit of $1500 per headliner a day on busy days. WDW may be the only big park that doesn't sell this feature in some form, I just think this switch over was to make a system where people felt like they didn't have enough and be so upset that when they charge for more people are actually relieved to have the opportunity to get more even if it is by paying for them.
 
They already have a "Stay in a Disney Resort and Get Exclusive Access" option... which includes 60-day advance reservations for specific rides. Give them money by staying on property.

This is true
BUT
For someone like myself (frequent visitor),
it will not be a big enough pull ,I can see first time visitors liking the idea.


I did enjoy staying a Universal Orlando (Royal Pacific) and getting the
Front Of The Line Pass, the offerings there just made it worth the price we paid to stay there.The resort and amenities were superior to anywhere I have stayed at Disney,yes I've stayed all resort levels and club levels at Disney,including DVC villas.

Mel
 
Okay well, what all the others said about banning.

With regards to fast pass plus, I haven't yet decided what their end game is yet. First of all, I think in a way they were simply desperate to figure out a way to throttle attraction access, because their attendance keeps going up and they aren't adding rides. (I have come to realize that the much larger crowds the last couple of years at WDW were really due to the HP-WW expansion at Universal luring them to Orlando. Disney hasn't done anything differently since 2011, that they weren't doing in the years before that, to suddenly and so drastically overcrowd their parks. After HP opened is when we began noticing the huge change in crowds.)

Resort Guests: One thing I know they CAN'T do is anything like what Universal does, which is permit Deluxe level resort guests front-of-line unlimited ride access. This only works at Universal because they have an extremely limited number of Deluxe rooms: 2400. Assume 4 guests per room at full occupancy and you only have 9600 people per day with unlimited resort guest front-of-line privileges. (Note that the new Moderate, Cabana Bay, will not offer the front-of-line Express Pass privilege.)

By contrast, Disney has 8328 rooms in their "Deluxe" category alone - not including DVC units (~3000), which probably should be considered Deluxe due to their nightly rate if rented. But we'll ignore DVC for now. Assuming 4 guests per room at full Deluxe occupancy, that means that 33,312 people would have front of line privileges. I can tell you right now that if 33 thousand people could go to the front of the line over and over on Soarin, Test Track TSMM, and the Mountains, nobody else would be able to ride without a 3+ hour wait. Not the people in the other 22,077 WDW rooms, and not the people staying offsite. There is NO way Disney can ever implement the deluxe resort guest policy that Universal has without causing riots in the parks.

So that brings us to the second form of Express Pass Plus offered at Universal, which gets offsite guests buy their way to the front of the line. The cost of this pass varies by season but the most it ever costs on the highest of peak days is $119, I believe. The average is somewhere in the 50's - 60's.

My opinion is that anyone who is wealthy enough to pay the rates at a Deluxe WDW hotel, or buy/rent DVC, is wealthy enough to pay this much for front-of-the-line access as well. And without question they would do so. In addition, many people would "step down" to a moderate or a value and use the savings to fund the express pass purchase. So you would end up with tens of thousands of people in each park with front-of-line privilege. This obviously would not work - again, riots in the streets of the parks as people who "paid not to wait in line" would be waiting in line anyway.

Could Disney limit the number of passes they sell per day? Universal does. Would this work at WDW? No, because the demand for them would so greatly exceed the capacity that the darn things would be a ticket scalper's dream. If they sold them in person there would be fighting in the lines. If they sold them online they'd crash webservers. If they sold them by lottery, you'd have to enter a new pool for each day of your trip. LOL.

So we know they can't reproduce Universal's model. We also know they can't go back to a model where they give you a ticket book and limit you to one ride on each attraction per day - once unlimited standby riding is in place, it's not something you can take back, unless you're willing to drastically cut your park admission prices at the same time (and they wouldn't do that either).

So what's left? They can't limit riding overall, and they can't give free unlimited front-of-line access to their higher paying resort guests. They have too many people in the parks during moderate/peak times so waits for desirable rides can easily climb past 1 hour during moderate times, into the 2+ hour range during peak times. If you don't believe that their only motivation for FP+ was "people would spend more time and money in the shops instead of lines" - which IS what they told analysts in calls - then all that's left is that they are secretly preparing to sell fast passes in some way. And there's no evidence of that in their official earnings calls and discussions.

Even if they did it, how COULD they do it? They already have tiering in place, limiting guest selections for popular rides. They give everyone 3 passes, with the only benefit resort guests get (no matter the resort type) being that they can pick 3 rides ahead of time, instead of wasting time at a kiosk on the day.

So working within the confines of this current FP+ system, all they could do would be to perhaps give Deluxe guests more fast passes per day than Moderates, and Moderates more than Value, and Value more than offsite. 6-5-4-3. And thanks to human nature, they could actually pull this off. Pretty much a guarantee that any value guest who posted on here that it wasn't fair they only got 4 passes would get jumped by people saying "if you want more, pay moderate or deluxe like we do". Could they give moderate and deluxe resort levels additional fast passes, and ALSO allow them to pick multiple rides from the top tier? Sure. If you stay in a Deluxe hotel, you can pick 2 rides from the top tier, so you can get fast passes for both Soarin and Test Track. And again, they could pull this off because anyone who complained about it would be told "upgrade you room, then".

Could they do as the OP says, and introduce ANY kind of payment system that isn't like Univeral's (which we know won't work)? Could they continue to give each guests 3 fast passes, and charge a la carte for additional ones? There's no way that could work. The problem is not that people would be unwilling to pay, it's that Disney doesn't have the ride capacity to support it.
 
I did enjoy staying a Universal Orlando (Royal Pacific) and getting the
Front Of The Line Pass, the offerings there just made it worth the price we paid to stay there.

We, too, enjoyed the Royal Pacific, and loved the FOTL perk. But Disney has too much room capacity on property to offer that -- that's why they went with the on-site reservation vs off-site same day FP+ distinction.
 
Here's how I see it going down:

FP+ is free for all, just as FP was already free, but in the current form (3 per day, only 1 headliner). Disney has now created a demand for MORE. I want more FP+, more than one headliner.

They could offer a "get 3 extra FP+" package. It could be daily, or for the whole stay, much like the PH option works now. It could be an extra AP level, it could be a bonus when booking deluxe resorts, or a free perk for DVC members. They can give it away for free to fill hotel rooms during slow periods.

It's a new free commodity that can be used to increase perceived value.

It makes lots of people happy - those who want more, those who want to pay, those who don't want to pay, Ap holders, deluxe spenders, DVC members.
 
I hope they have a "pay extra to skip lines" option. I would certainly be happy to give them my money to skip ahead of the masses.

Same here. I also wouldn't mind more FP+ for the deluxe hotels. I understand people not being willing to pay for it, but I certainly would.
 
After all the information shared on these boards, and all the opinions on what it is, why it is, etc., I still don't get it.
And honestly don't care what their goal is or was. Totally understand that Disney is a business and the bottom line counts for a lot when decisions are made and changes are foisted upon the "guests". Also totally understand that there are thousands upon thousands out there who have never been to a Disney park and many who will come and not know what they've missed. In my humble opinion, they've missed a lot.
I really truly feel that we're among the lucky ones who enjoyed Disney before it became complicated. When it was something Walt would have been proud of -- and I DON'T mean that he wouldn't have recommended changes along the way.
Really don't care at this point what they'll do with this boondoggle but believe they didn't really think it through. Now there are bugs, bumps, and wrinkles to be worked out, all while guests are paying premium prices for less.
To those who like it, love it, wished it had happened sooner, good for you. And I mean that. I hope even more feel that way. At some point. When it's really working. Or will it really work?
Stay tuned............
:stir:
 
Okay well, what all the others said about banning.

With regards to fast pass plus, I haven't yet decided what their end game is yet. First of all, I think in a way they were simply desperate to figure out a way to throttle attraction access, because their attendance keeps going up and they aren't adding rides. (I have come to realize that the much larger crowds the last couple of years at WDW were really due to the HP-WW expansion at Universal luring them to Orlando. Disney hasn't done anything differently since 2011, that they weren't doing in the years before that, to suddenly and so drastically overcrowd their parks. After HP opened is when we began noticing the huge change in crowds.)

Resort Guests: One thing I know they CAN'T do is anything like what Universal does, which is permit Deluxe level resort guests front-of-line unlimited ride access. This only works at Universal because they have an extremely limited number of Deluxe rooms: 2400. Assume 4 guests per room at full occupancy and you only have 9600 people per day with unlimited resort guest front-of-line privileges. (Note that the new Moderate, Cabana Bay, will not offer the front-of-line Express Pass privilege.)

By contrast, Disney has 8328 rooms in their "Deluxe" category alone - not including DVC units (~3000), which probably should be considered Deluxe due to their nightly rate if rented. But we'll ignore DVC for now. Assuming 4 guests per room at full Deluxe occupancy, that means that 33,312 people would have front of line privileges. I can tell you right now that if 33 thousand people could go to the front of the line over and over on Soarin, Test Track TSMM, and the Mountains, nobody else would be able to ride without a 3+ hour wait. Not the people in the other 22,077 WDW rooms, and not the people staying offsite. There is NO way Disney can ever implement the deluxe resort guest policy that Universal has without causing riots in the parks.

So that brings us to the second form of Express Pass Plus offered at Universal, which gets offsite guests buy their way to the front of the line. The cost of this pass varies by season but the most it ever costs on the highest of peak days is $119, I believe. The average is somewhere in the 50's - 60's.

My opinion is that anyone who is wealthy enough to pay the rates at a Deluxe WDW hotel, or buy/rent DVC, is wealthy enough to pay this much for front-of-the-line access as well. And without question they would do so. In addition, many people would "step down" to a moderate or a value and use the savings to fund the express pass purchase. So you would end up with tens of thousands of people in each park with front-of-line privilege. This obviously would not work - again, riots in the streets of the parks as people who "paid not to wait in line" would be waiting in line anyway.

Could Disney limit the number of passes they sell per day? Universal does. Would this work at WDW? No, because the demand for them would so greatly exceed the capacity that the darn things would be a ticket scalper's dream. If they sold them in person there would be fighting in the lines. If they sold them online they'd crash webservers. If they sold them by lottery, you'd have to enter a new pool for each day of your trip. LOL.

So we know they can't reproduce Universal's model. We also know they can't go back to a model where they give you a ticket book and limit you to one ride on each attraction per day - once unlimited standby riding is in place, it's not something you can take back, unless you're willing to drastically cut your park admission prices at the same time (and they wouldn't do that either).

So what's left? They can't limit riding overall, and they can't give free unlimited front-of-line access to their higher paying resort guests. They have too many people in the parks during moderate/peak times so waits for desirable rides can easily climb past 1 hour during moderate times, into the 2+ hour range during peak times. If you don't believe that their only motivation for FP+ was "people would spend more time and money in the shops instead of lines" - which IS what they told analysts in calls - then all that's left is that they are secretly preparing to sell fast passes in some way. And there's no evidence of that in their official earnings calls and discussions.

Even if they did it, how COULD they do it? They already have tiering in place, limiting guest selections for popular rides. They give everyone 3 passes, with the only benefit resort guests get (no matter the resort type) being that they can pick 3 rides ahead of time, instead of wasting time at a kiosk on the day.

So working within the confines of this current FP+ system, all they could do would be to perhaps give Deluxe guests more fast passes per day than Moderates, and Moderates more than Value, and Value more than offsite. 6-5-4-3. And thanks to human nature, they could actually pull this off. Pretty much a guarantee that any value guest who posted on here that it wasn't fair they only got 4 passes would get jumped by people saying "if you want more, pay moderate or deluxe like we do". Could they give moderate and deluxe resort levels additional fast passes, and ALSO allow them to pick multiple rides from the top tier? Sure. If you stay in a Deluxe hotel, you can pick 2 rides from the top tier, so you can get fast passes for both Soarin and Test Track. And again, they could pull this off because anyone who complained about it would be told "upgrade you room, then".

Could they do as the OP says, and introduce ANY kind of payment system that isn't like Univeral's (which we know won't work)? Could they continue to give each guests 3 fast passes, and charge a la carte for additional ones? There's no way that could work. The problem is not that people would be unwilling to pay, it's that Disney doesn't have the ride capacity to support it.

Nicely put:thumbsup2

I agree the current ride/attraction capacity can not support a
pay for FP+ system.
 
Okay well, what all the others said about banning.

With regards to fast pass plus, I haven't yet decided what their end game is yet. First of all, I think in a way they were simply desperate to figure out a way to throttle attraction access, because their attendance keeps going up and they aren't adding rides. (I have come to realize that the much larger crowds the last couple of years at WDW were really due to the HP-WW expansion at Universal luring them to Orlando. Disney hasn't done anything differently since 2011, that they weren't doing in the years before that, to suddenly and so drastically overcrowd their parks. After HP opened is when we began noticing the huge change in crowds.)

Resort Guests: One thing I know they CAN'T do is anything like what Universal does, which is permit Deluxe level resort guests front-of-line unlimited ride access. This only works at Universal because they have an extremely limited number of Deluxe rooms: 2400. Assume 4 guests per room at full occupancy and you only have 9600 people per day with unlimited resort guest front-of-line privileges. (Note that the new Moderate, Cabana Bay, will not offer the front-of-line Express Pass privilege.)

By contrast, Disney has 8328 rooms in their "Deluxe" category alone - not including DVC units (~3000), which probably should be considered Deluxe due to their nightly rate if rented. But we'll ignore DVC for now. Assuming 4 guests per room at full Deluxe occupancy, that means that 33,312 people would have front of line privileges. I can tell you right now that if 33 thousand people could go to the front of the line over and over on Soarin, Test Track TSMM, and the Mountains, nobody else would be able to ride without a 3+ hour wait. Not the people in the other 22,077 WDW rooms, and not the people staying offsite. There is NO way Disney can ever implement the deluxe resort guest policy that Universal has without causing riots in the parks.

So that brings us to the second form of Express Pass Plus offered at Universal, which gets offsite guests buy their way to the front of the line. The cost of this pass varies by season but the most it ever costs on the highest of peak days is $119, I believe. The average is somewhere in the 50's - 60's.

My opinion is that anyone who is wealthy enough to pay the rates at a Deluxe WDW hotel, or buy/rent DVC, is wealthy enough to pay this much for front-of-the-line access as well. And without question they would do so. In addition, many people would "step down" to a moderate or a value and use the savings to fund the express pass purchase. So you would end up with tens of thousands of people in each park with front-of-line privilege. This obviously would not work - again, riots in the streets of the parks as people who "paid not to wait in line" would be waiting in line anyway.

Could Disney limit the number of passes they sell per day? Universal does. Would this work at WDW? No, because the demand for them would so greatly exceed the capacity that the darn things would be a ticket scalper's dream. If they sold them in person there would be fighting in the lines. If they sold them online they'd crash webservers. If they sold them by lottery, you'd have to enter a new pool for each day of your trip. LOL.

So we know they can't reproduce Universal's model. We also know they can't go back to a model where they give you a ticket book and limit you to one ride on each attraction per day - once unlimited standby riding is in place, it's not something you can take back, unless you're willing to drastically cut your park admission prices at the same time (and they wouldn't do that either).

So what's left? They can't limit riding overall, and they can't give free unlimited front-of-line access to their higher paying resort guests. They have too many people in the parks during moderate/peak times so waits for desirable rides can easily climb past 1 hour during moderate times, into the 2+ hour range during peak times. If you don't believe that their only motivation for FP+ was "people would spend more time and money in the shops instead of lines" - which IS what they told analysts in calls - then all that's left is that they are secretly preparing to sell fast passes in some way. And there's no evidence of that in their official earnings calls and discussions.

Even if they did it, how COULD they do it? They already have tiering in place, limiting guest selections for popular rides. They give everyone 3 passes, with the only benefit resort guests get (no matter the resort type) being that they can pick 3 rides ahead of time, instead of wasting time at a kiosk on the day.

So working within the confines of this current FP+ system, all they could do would be to perhaps give Deluxe guests more fast passes per day than Moderates, and Moderates more than Value, and Value more than offsite. 6-5-4-3. And thanks to human nature, they could actually pull this off. Pretty much a guarantee that any value guest who posted on here that it wasn't fair they only got 4 passes would get jumped by people saying "if you want more, pay moderate or deluxe like we do". Could they give moderate and deluxe resort levels additional fast passes, and ALSO allow them to pick multiple rides from the top tier? Sure. If you stay in a Deluxe hotel, you can pick 2 rides from the top tier, so you can get fast passes for both Soarin and Test Track. And again, they could pull this off because anyone who complained about it would be told "upgrade you room, then".

Could they do as the OP says, and introduce ANY kind of payment system that isn't like Univeral's (which we know won't work)? Could they continue to give each guests 3 fast passes, and charge a la carte for additional ones? There's no way that could work. The problem is not that people would be unwilling to pay, it's that Disney doesn't have the ride capacity to support it.

I still say they hold back (hypothetically) 300 FP on busy days for each of the top rides. You are wondering the park being monitored by your band and it is 1:15 and you get a text : For $20 your family of four can ride Space from 2-3..press yes to accept or no to decline. You have 5 minutes to respond. This goes out to 25 people. They see who bites and the remainders go to the next group. They do this several hours throughout the day and make $1500 per ride give or take. Seems easy to do and it is the luck of the draw if you get them or not. Maybe it is based on you are spending a lot...or not enough and they want more from your pocket. Who knows. I just think it will happen.
 
I still say they hold back (hypothetically) 300 FP on busy days for each of the top rides. You are wondering the park being monitored by your band and it is 1:15 and you get a text : For $20 your family of four can ride Space from 2-3..press yes to accept or no to decline. You have 5 minutes to respond. This goes out to 25 people. They see who bites and the remainders go to the next group. They do this several hours throughout the day and make $1500 per ride give or take. Seems easy to do and it is the luck of the draw if you get them or not. Maybe it is based on you are spending a lot...or not enough and they want more from your pocket. Who knows. I just think it will happen.

Somehow a part of me wants to believe that Disney would use these extra FP+ as
"Magical FastPlus+" giveaways.(Pixie Dust):wizard:
I know over the years my family has recieved more than a few of these.
Ah well a girl can dream right?




Hugs Mel
 
Okay well, what all the others said about banning.

With regards to fast pass plus, I haven't yet decided what their end game is yet. First of all, I think in a way they were simply desperate to figure out a way to throttle attraction access, because their attendance keeps going up and they aren't adding rides. (I have come to realize that the much larger crowds the last couple of years at WDW were really due to the HP-WW expansion at Universal luring them to Orlando. Disney hasn't done anything differently since 2011, that they weren't doing in the years before that, to suddenly and so drastically overcrowd their parks. After HP opened is when we began noticing the huge change in crowds.)

Resort Guests: One thing I know they CAN'T do is anything like what Universal does, which is permit Deluxe level resort guests front-of-line unlimited ride access. This only works at Universal because they have an extremely limited number of Deluxe rooms: 2400. Assume 4 guests per room at full occupancy and you only have 9600 people per day with unlimited resort guest front-of-line privileges. (Note that the new Moderate, Cabana Bay, will not offer the front-of-line Express Pass privilege.)

By contrast, Disney has 8328 rooms in their "Deluxe" category alone - not including DVC units (~3000), which probably should be considered Deluxe due to their nightly rate if rented. But we'll ignore DVC for now. Assuming 4 guests per room at full Deluxe occupancy, that means that 33,312 people would have front of line privileges. I can tell you right now that if 33 thousand people could go to the front of the line over and over on Soarin, Test Track TSMM, and the Mountains, nobody else would be able to ride without a 3+ hour wait. Not the people in the other 22,077 WDW rooms, and not the people staying offsite. There is NO way Disney can ever implement the deluxe resort guest policy that Universal has without causing riots in the parks.

So that brings us to the second form of Express Pass Plus offered at Universal, which gets offsite guests buy their way to the front of the line. The cost of this pass varies by season but the most it ever costs on the highest of peak days is $119, I believe. The average is somewhere in the 50's - 60's.

My opinion is that anyone who is wealthy enough to pay the rates at a Deluxe WDW hotel, or buy/rent DVC, is wealthy enough to pay this much for front-of-the-line access as well. And without question they would do so. In addition, many people would "step down" to a moderate or a value and use the savings to fund the express pass purchase. So you would end up with tens of thousands of people in each park with front-of-line privilege. This obviously would not work - again, riots in the streets of the parks as people who "paid not to wait in line" would be waiting in line anyway.

Could Disney limit the number of passes they sell per day? Universal does. Would this work at WDW? No, because the demand for them would so greatly exceed the capacity that the darn things would be a ticket scalper's dream. If they sold them in person there would be fighting in the lines. If they sold them online they'd crash webservers. If they sold them by lottery, you'd have to enter a new pool for each day of your trip. LOL.

So we know they can't reproduce Universal's model. We also know they can't go back to a model where they give you a ticket book and limit you to one ride on each attraction per day - once unlimited standby riding is in place, it's not something you can take back, unless you're willing to drastically cut your park admission prices at the same time (and they wouldn't do that either).

So what's left? They can't limit riding overall, and they can't give free unlimited front-of-line access to their higher paying resort guests. They have too many people in the parks during moderate/peak times so waits for desirable rides can easily climb past 1 hour during moderate times, into the 2+ hour range during peak times. If you don't believe that their only motivation for FP+ was "people would spend more time and money in the shops instead of lines" - which IS what they told analysts in calls - then all that's left is that they are secretly preparing to sell fast passes in some way. And there's no evidence of that in their official earnings calls and discussions.

Even if they did it, how COULD they do it? They already have tiering in place, limiting guest selections for popular rides. They give everyone 3 passes, with the only benefit resort guests get (no matter the resort type) being that they can pick 3 rides ahead of time, instead of wasting time at a kiosk on the day.

So working within the confines of this current FP+ system, all they could do would be to perhaps give Deluxe guests more fast passes per day than Moderates, and Moderates more than Value, and Value more than offsite. 6-5-4-3. And thanks to human nature, they could actually pull this off. Pretty much a guarantee that any value guest who posted on here that it wasn't fair they only got 4 passes would get jumped by people saying "if you want more, pay moderate or deluxe like we do". Could they give moderate and deluxe resort levels additional fast passes, and ALSO allow them to pick multiple rides from the top tier? Sure. If you stay in a Deluxe hotel, you can pick 2 rides from the top tier, so you can get fast passes for both Soarin and Test Track. And again, they could pull this off because anyone who complained about it would be told "upgrade you room, then".

Could they do as the OP says, and introduce ANY kind of payment system that isn't like Univeral's (which we know won't work)? Could they continue to give each guests 3 fast passes, and charge a la carte for additional ones? There's no way that could work. The problem is not that people would be unwilling to pay, it's that Disney doesn't have the ride capacity to support it.

ITA! I believe that the tiering based on resort category is the only further significant change that they are going to make. But I also believe that once the kinks are out of this system and it becomes the norm, much of the outrage will cool down. Those that can't live with it will stop going as often, or at all, and the rest of us will figure out the tricks to maximize benefits and minimize waits, and we will all move on. I can't wait until we get to the point where far fewer people will be running around screaming that the sky is falling!
 
I don't see them using mm+ to sell extra passes. It's a simple capacity problem. If they sell more FP, the standby lines get longer. Longer standby lines mean more unhappy guests, which will cause more people to abandon Disney. They would get a few $ from wealthy guests, and have thousands of value rooms sitting empty. Raising ticket prices further would have the same effect.

If I was running the place, I would raise ticket prices 50% and then offer a discount to on site guests that brings prices back to what we pay now. This would limit crowds, and at the same time be a huge perk for staying on site. I'd keep Fl resident tickets low, but have more blackout dates, maybe even park specific. Need the locals to fill in during low times.

I think their real plan is to add capacity, because that's the only way to continue to grow attendance. Been slow through the recession, but now that the economy is improving There is some evidence of this, with Fantasy land and Pandora under construction at the same time. There is enough land available in pandora to put in several headliners. I know, only one headliner inFantasy land is disappointing, but MK is already bumping up on capacity limits for the entire park, so drawing more people is not Wise. Thats why its mostly eating and shopping. Best case scenario is that they think like Walt and make Pandora so amazing that it pulls crowds from MK, HS, and Epcot as well as US. They have the talent and resources. Only question now is if they have the vision.

Are we on the verge of another era like the one starting in 89, when they opened two new parks in less than 10 years? I can dream can't I?
 
Several years ago Iger said the goal is to get more people to stay in the mods and deluxes by offering them more fastpasses. I remember discussing this about 2 or 3 years ago after he said it.
 


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