Uh oh...who heard Sherri Shepherd on the View today?

I know it is not SUPPOSED to be used for FOTL, but I have seen it done many times by CM's. I actually spoke to a family standing in front of Space Mountian while waiting for our fastpasses who has a GAC for their DD. They did not have fastpasses and were loading the ride as we were handing ours in. We waited at least 15 min more. I saw it many other times within a week as well. It DOES happen. Everyone that has a GAC is not getting FOTL but some ARE. i have no way of saying how widespread it is, other than we saw it at least once a day on our 7 day trip. Most days it was several times. It was more obcious that it was happening when the party had a wheelchair or special needs stroller with hem. I have no problem with the fact that it is happening. I am sure there are those who actually need it and that is more than fine with me. I think they should change the policy to allow it in cases that really have a need.

I fully agree.We saw FOTL many many times at out last visit. Every WC got in before us. They just rolled in and then jumped out of the WC and got into the attraction.Magical healing???
Next time I will get a GAC and wheelchair because I like getting FOTL access :rotfl2:
 
1. I think it's highly unlikely that this whole FOTL thing is happining even as much as you think. Unless you spent all of your time with a stopwatch watching as families w/ GAC's entered the queue until they actually rode and then compared it to your family's experience at the exact same time. I'm assuming you probably rode with your family which would make this extremely difficult to say the least.

2.IF a family got FOTL priviliges, it is Extremely Likely that they were a make a wish family. The only way to tell the difference would be to see the ink on a particular stamp on the GAC. We did have the privilege of meeting a number of make a wish families on their trips during our recent vacation, so it is certainly possible you ran into several of them as well. As far as I'm concerned, they are welcome to their special spot in line; I don't envy what their angel is enduring, and don't want to trade places with them.

3.We use a GAC. We use the stroller as wheelchair accomodation, and yes, many people feel it necessary to complain about our special privilege. And yes, I will happily let them have my accomodation if they would like their child to have the disabilities my children have too. In many cases it may appear that we get to things sooner, but often we're just being taken somewhere quieter to wait. We don't mind, it's the enclosed tight queues that are a problem. We also use fastpass often, so it may appear that we're getting into things quicker because of our "special" stroller privileges, when in fact we're just using the same fastpasses everyone else is.

4.Could you possibly share how exactly you know that someone who has a GAC does or doesn't "need" it? I'm perplexed as to how anyone can be certain that there are GAC's being used by anyone who doesn't require one.

Sorry but next time I will get a GAC and a wheelchair and use the FOTL possibility, one of Disney best kept secrets.
Just FYI I'll trade every WC or stroller user for my disability cancer.:rotfl2:
 
Follow the link in my signature to get to the disABILITIES FAQs thread.
Post #6 has information about Guest Assistance Cards.
Disney does not have anything official in writing about Guest Assistance Cards, but the information in the FAQs thread about GACs was reviewed by a number of Guest Relations CMs (who actually give out the GACs) and also by attractions CMs (who actually handle the GACs).

As was pointed out, the GAC is just a tool to help CMs know what kinds of special assistance a Guest with an invisible disability needs.
If anyone visits the board “Stupid Guest Tricks”, they will find a pretty long thread where CMs are talking about how many guests expect GACs are front of the line passes and how frustrated they get dealing with guests who think and expect that.
As has already been posted, it is printed right on the card that it is not meant to give immediate access and they recommend getting Fastpasses if the guest wants to shorten their wait.
Recently, CMs have been reading and highlighting that information and initialing it so that it is clear the guest was given that information.

A couple of things about waits -

Most attractions have accessible (Mainstream) lines and guests who only need an accessible line (including most guests with wheelchairs and ECVs) do not need a GAC to use the accessible lines. Those guests wilt be in the same line with other guests. There is a Guidemap for Guests with Disabilities for each park, which lists the ‘Mobility Access”. In most cases, it says, “Enter through Standard Line.” For attractions whit Fastpasses, it says “Obtain a Disney’s FASTPASS or enter through Standard Line.”
GACs are for guests who have other needs that are not visible.

DisneyLAND is much different than WDW. Because Disneyland was built so long ago, many of the lines are not wheelchair accessible and can’t be made accessible. The only way for some guests with disabilities to ride may be to enter thru the exit. That doesn’t mean they get boarded any sooner and it is not an advantage, it is the only way they can get on.

MK at WDW has some of the same accessibility problems, although because of space most attractions are able to be made accessible through the regular line. Haunted Mansion is one that is not, but usually guests with wheelchairs or ECVs wait in line until the line is almost to the point of entering the building. At that point, there is a pull off and guests with wheelchairs and ECVs go to the exit courtyard. That does not mean they board right away. Every time we have gone, we have had to wait at the hearse (which is the pull off point) for a CM to come. Then, we join the rest of the people who are waiting in the exit courtyard to board. Someone seeing us pulled out of line at the hearse might think we are getting on ahead of them, but in actual fact, since a large ‘batch’ of people enter the building at the same time for the preshow in the stretching room, the people still in line are getting on at the same time as my family. We also have to skip the stretching room because the ride is not accessible when going thru the stretching room.
When there is a pull off, it is usually close to the regular boarding area.

Misconceptions happen a lot. Because people got pulled off in some attractions other guests and even the guest with a disability assume they waited a shorter time. The last few times we rode Buzz Lightyear, we were getting into the regular line with DD in her wheelchair when a CM stopped us and sent us thru the Fastpass Line. The same thing happened to a family behind us with a child in a wheelchair. They commented how lucky they were to be able to get in without waiting (and I’m sure told people later how they didn’t have to wait). My family knew that the wait in the regular line was only 5 minutes at the time we were ready to enter the line - so we waited the same time we would have if we had stayed in the regular line. But, we did not have to go through all the twists and turns of the regular line (and a CM has told me that is one of the reasons they pull guests with wheelchairs and ECVs into the Fastpass line when the wait in the regular line is short - having mobility devices in the regular line slows it down).

Often guests with wheelchairs/ECVs or GACs are in a different area and may feel like they are getting in faster because they are not waiting in the line, but they are still getting into the same show as the other guests.
This happens with many shows because there are limited numbers of seats for people with special needs or they need to get them into the theater first for the safety of all guests, to get into the correct spot or to set up equipment (like reflective text devices for guests with hearing impairments).
Some shows have very limited seating for guests with wheelchairs/ECVs - for example, the Tiki Room has a very limited number of wheelchair/ECV spots and we have gotten to a show that was only half full, but we could not see it because all the wheelchair spots were taken.

They may give a different place to wait, but the wait may be the same. In May, my mom, my youngest DD and I went to see the Fairies at MK in Toontown. We had done it before, waiting in the regular line with everyone else for 45 min to 1 hour. It was very difficult for my DD because her wheelchair kept getting bumped and jostled. And, just when we would get near to the front, guests who were in front of us would call the rest of their party and a group that had been 2 turned into 8 (mom and small kids waiting outside the line). When we went in May, I did show the CM at the entrance DD’s GAC and asked if we could wait somewhere else. We were given a card with a number on; the card said that our wait would be at least 30 minutes (and the CM said it would probably be equal to the wait of guests in the line). We were shown a place with benches at the exit to wait. When the CM from the characters came to get us, I’m sure that some of the people waiting in line did not know that we had been sitting there for 30 minutes. We were taken to the door where guests who have just seen the Fairies come out and I’m sure that some of them thought we had just come thru the exit without waiting. We waited there for about 7 or 8 minutes. Then, we were brought one step closer and waited a few more minutes before being ‘added’ as the last guests to the next grouping of guests going into see the Fairies. I’m sure the guests in the grouping we were added to also thought we had just come into the exit without waiting.
But, when everything was added up, we actually ended up waiting 45 minute total. I know because I was watching the time, but my mom (who was not watching the time) was sure it was much less than that.

Because each guests needs are different, not all GACs say the same thing and not all accommodations are available at each attraction. For example, someone who has GAC because of difficulty with the sun will find it is not needed at Epcot, where all the waits are inside. Even at the other parks, most of the lines are well shaded. GACs for sun exposure are also not used at night - no sun.
As someone posted, exactly what happens with a GAC depends on things like what the GAC says, what is available at that attraction and what is happening at the time - so it is variable and can even be different at the same attraction on the same day, but at a later time.

So, they are not Fastpasses. They are not front of the line. They are accommodation for people with disabilities.
 
So, they are not Fastpasses. They are not front of the line. They are accommodation for people with disabilities.

Sorry Sue but I'm not buying that one.
I know from experience that a WC and a GAC really does mean FOTL excess no matter how Disney tries to hide this. Bin there done that. This May we saw the same people in a WC twice doing an attraction while we were waiting for ONE ride.

Accommodation is not the same as a free entrance for every one. The US ADA system is providing free FOTL excess for EVERY ONE without questions asked.
I stated this a thousand times.
The European system is much and much more honest. You have to provide a written statement from your doctor or hospital to get this kind access.
Of course there will always be whining Americans who get around the system.:lmao:
A friend of mine works in Paris as a CM and a Wish Child is really a VERY rear occasion.
Even on a really busy day like Christmas you will hardly see a person in a WC or scooter.
Strong rules for every one means good access for those who really need it and that is the problem in the US. The ADA system forces that everyone has to be believed on his beautiful blue eyes,no questions asked. EVERY teenager can get a WC and gets automatically a preferred treatment.
I'm almost convinced that EVERY child in the US is handicapped or on the spectrum.
I know this is not a popular statement but the truth no matter how some persons try to sugar cote this and non meaning you of course.
Next time I will take my beloved anaconda snake with me and just tell the CM its an anxiety animal and no one will forbid me because of the ADA law.:rotfl2:
 

When we took my son, profoundly disabled, we would, on occasion, move through the fast pass line, and sometimes have to wait longer for the special boat, etc.

When we have my mom in an ecv due to residual issues with chemo and cancer, she is able to transfer or step out and carefully walk to another seat. She isn't miraculously healed. She has never recieved special treatment.

When I was alone in DL I missed riding several rides due to my inability to stand or transfer.

Unless you have lived it, you have no clue. You are ignorant of what really goes on.
 
When we took my son, profoundly disabled, we would, on occasion, move through the fast pass line, and sometimes have to wait longer for the special boat, etc.

When we have my mom in an ecv due to residual issues with chemo and cancer, she is able to transfer or step out and carefully walk to another seat. She isn't miraculously healed. She has never recieved special treatment.

When I was alone in DL I missed riding several rides due to my inability to stand or transfer.

Unless you have lived it, you have no clue. You are ignorant of what really goes on.

Bin there don that and walked in those shoes.. Cancer,operations, chemo,being bald,vomiting, almost paralyzed feet, fatigue, cancer again and still thinking the ADA has failed his goal.
I was in Disney Paris with the iron cramps from the operation still in my body and loved it without any preferred treatment. The hospital just told me not to ride TOT :rotfl:
 
Is Sherri a well-known celebrity? (Sorry; don't watch The View, so I don't know her.) Could it be when she visited, she did indeed get to go to the FOTL more because of her status, and not her child's situation? Maybe she misunderstood.

I don't knowif I'd call her "well known" but since she's on the show (and show is owned by ABC) IMHO I doubt she would have had to wait for anything (regardless of her child) and personally I would not have a problem with that


FWIW I think she is a sweet person but perhaps sometimes speaks w/o thinking it through...if you ever did watch the show I could see how it could (and does) happen sometimes it gets so heated with the women on that show it can turn into a free for all. I did have it on and heard the comment & immediately I though Oh Oh...trouble Sheri
 
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So you've been unable to walk for more than a couple of
feet, went to Disney, and walked all day? Now that would be a miraculous healing!!!
 
1. I think it's highly unlikely that this whole FOTL thing is happining even as much as you think. Unless you spent all of your time with a stopwatch watching as families w/ GAC's entered the queue until they actually rode and then compared it to your family's experience at the exact same time. I'm assuming you probably rode with your family which would make this extremely difficult to say the least.

2.IF a family got FOTL priviliges, it is Extremely Likely that they were a make a wish family. The only way to tell the difference would be to see the ink on a particular stamp on the GAC. We did have the privilege of meeting a number of make a wish families on their trips during our recent vacation, so it is certainly possible you ran into several of them as well. As far as I'm concerned, they are welcome to their special spot in line; I don't envy what their angel is enduring, and don't want to trade places with them.

3.We use a GAC. We use the stroller as wheelchair accomodation, and yes, many people feel it necessary to complain about our special privilege. And yes, I will happily let them have my accomodation if they would like their child to have the disabilities my children have too. In many cases it may appear that we get to things sooner, but often we're just being taken somewhere quieter to wait. We don't mind, it's the enclosed tight queues that are a problem. We also use fastpass often, so it may appear that we're getting into things quicker because of our "special" stroller privileges, when in fact we're just using the same fastpasses everyone else is.

4.Could you possibly share how exactly you know that someone who has a GAC does or doesn't "need" it? I'm perplexed as to how anyone can be certain that there are GAC's being used by anyone who doesn't require one.

As I said, I am basing my observation on wheelchair parties. It is REALLY obvious when they are loading a wheelchair party ahead of everyone else, and almost everyone around us noticed and commented many times as well. When they join the line 100 feet behind you and are brought right past you to the front it is hard to miss. AS I said I DON'T have a problem with it at all, but to deny that it goes on just doesn't cut it because almost every wheelchair party we saw boarded ahead of where they were in line on attarctions where a wheelchair couldn't go through the regular line. the CM's pull them and take them to the wheelchiar enterance and they get in the next available wheelchair car. There was usually no one waiting in the wheelchiar are as they pulled a new party up, or somewtimes one party. So effectively they moved to the front of the line. i never observed a wheelchiar family being made to wait until their "spot in line" came up to ride. They always got on immediately. I also talked to several famileis with wheelchairs while in line for those rides that did have wheelchair access through the regular line, and they told me as much. On a ride without regular line access they did not have to wait. I was interested because I went ot the mainstream school associated with the regional school for students with disabilities from K-12 and have many diabled friends as aresult. They had asked me about WDW for the disabled and I was info gathering for them. Not that it really matters why I was so iterested. Again, I have NO problem with what they are doing, but it IS going on with some frequency.

I don't persume to determine who "really needs it" or not. That would be up to Disney to evaluate each individual's stated needs. I was really referring, however, to those like the poster here who suggested renting a wheelchair they didn't need to get FOTL access. I think Disney needs a more effective system to screen out abuse of what it a wonderful system for people with disabilities. The abusers make is so much harder on those with a ligatimate need because they make others resentful and because they put more stress on the system.
 
My point is that if you haven't had to make use of the service, you only have an outsider's view of it. If you could get around you had no need for it, and thus have not got a clue.
 
My point is that if you haven't had to make use of the service, you only have an outsider's view of it. If you could get around you had no need for it, and thus have not got a clue.

Again used that service and got preferred treatment and FOLT access.
No outsiders view and knowing that perk looked at it this year and saw many abuse of the system.
How can any one justify that WC users get to ride twice at least when "normal" people have to wait for one ride?
We noticed this person and her "companions" because they were yelling at the CM that they had preferred access twice.
O and FYI there are Internet pages that provide me with the perfect information to tell how I could get the most "perfect" GAC even if you don't have any problem?
And on Ebay you can buy a GAC card without a problem.
 
We use the GAC because my son has autism. Yes, there are times that we may get through a line a lot faster but it's not the norm and it depends on the ride. Sometimes they offer the fast pass line but for us, we need a seperate place to wait. Some attractions will allow us sit on a bench outside of the ride and a CM will come and get us at the normal wait time. When my son is crowded or overstimulated he will lick and bite. People get mad when they see us enter a seperate area. Seriously, would you rather be licked? Should my son not be allowed to enjoy normal things because he is different? My son spoke his first words at Disney World at 3.5. He potty trained at Disney. His doctor's said if they could they would require him to go twice a year because for some reason he makes more strides at Disney World than with years of therapy. There is no way we are going to stay home because he is different. I think it is amazing that Disney World accomadates everyone! I had one lady get nasty with me and I told her if she wanted to trade places and have her son have autism and my son be "normal" I would gladly wait in that line all day! Seriously, this is our daily life. Maybe we get through 10 minutes faster does that mean it's better to be disabled?

Back to the topic I think her comment was completely off based and inaccurate. It makes it sound like some special benefit to be disabled. I hope people do not try to cheat the system believing that there "special" child will get through the line faster.

Sorry for the rant. I was just at Disney World and I get so mad when people think people are trying to somehow cheat everyone else. The GAC does help us allow our children to have this same enjoyable experience people without disabilities have. End of story.

Thank you I could not have said this better! Linda :)
 
So you've been unable to walk for more than a couple of
feet, went to Disney, and walked all day? Now that would be a miraculous healing!!!

If a person is that sick and isn't able to walk more than a few feet maybe she/he just should stayed at home to recover instead of going to a park like Disney.
 
Just turned on the View for the first time and after watching the first couple of minutes, I can't believe anyone would take what they say as true. They are are talking about tea and suctions cups. :lmao:
 
After reading all these posts, I can't help but think: I am so blessed that neither I nor my immediate family needs special assistance of any kind. We are so fortunate to be able to go to WDW at all, when so many families never will, for whatever reasons. For those families in need who make it to WDW - I wish you a MAGICAL trip and hope it is worth every line you wait in.

And I feel doubly blessed that neither I nor my immediate family would EVER consider cheating the system - in any way, shape or form. For those who get a thrill out of cheating the system - and they know who they are - thank you for providing me the opportunity to teach my children who NOT to be.

In this world there are those who follow the rules and those who don't. I'll be damned if I'm going to let the rule breakers ruin my great time. Go ahead and cheat the system if you're so desperate. I'm going to hang with my kids in line and enjoy them.

Here's to the rule followers of the world! It ain't really so bad, is it? :-)
 
Those women are annoying, opinionated and give out wrong info alot..Reason number 1001 why I don't watch them
 
We have had to use the GAC on a couple of trips with extended family and I just have to say there is more to it than just a FOTL.

One of our party can't be in the heat/sun so depending on the ride they will have them wait in a certain area until we get there. Other rides they do just take us to the front.

We have also been with a family member who is in a wheelchair. In many cases while we sat at the front of the line. We actually had to wait longer because of needing special vehicles or the fact that they can only have so many people who would need assistance on a ride at any given time in case of an evacuation.

People who assume it is just a FOTL pass are usually just uneducated about how it works. I for one am grateful for the times we don't need it and can just be normal like the rest of the people (except when waiting in the Peter Pan line at DL I always wish I could use it there;)).
 
If a person is that sick and isn't able to walk more than a few feet maybe she/he just should stayed at home to recover instead of going to a park like Disney.

So one should only go to Disney if they can walk? That is where we disagree. I think that if a person has the opportunity to do something fun and wonderful they should have at it! Luckily my sweet 75 year old mom agrees, and had a great great time. :)The disney attitude is far from yours, so she was able to get all the help she needed. Which isn't to say she cut lines, as you have assumed. As I said, until you've dealt with it, you only know what you thought you have seen or what you hear from others.
 
When we went last time I remember we were in line waiting to see a character and just as we got up there the told us another person was going to go head of us even though we were obviously next. Seemed to me he was autistic or had some kind of problem because he wasn't acting like most kids visiting the characters and he was not in line.

That sort of thing is generally just for the Wish kids.

Sorry Sue but I'm not buying that one.
I know from experience that a WC and a GAC really does mean FOTL excess no matter how Disney tries to hide this. Bin there done that.

The US ADA system is providing free FOTL excess for EVERY ONE without questions asked.
I stated this a thousand times.

A friend of mine works in Paris as a CM and a Wish Child is really a VERY rear occasion.

I know this is not a popular statement but the truth no matter how some persons try to sugar cote this and non meaning you of course.

But Sue knows what she's talking about. And she hasn't had the experience you have noticed. Many many people have not had the experience you have noticed. People here aren't just believing Disney; they are telling you what happens in most of the times.

The US system is not giving FOTL access, they are making things accessible. If a person happens to go on a ride without any other wheelchair users, if the ride vehicle that can accomodate them happens to come at just the right time, or if they CAN transfer but can't walk through the line, then it can look like that's what the cards give, but the people who experience this time and time again KNOW that it isn't a FOTL card except for in the most unusual, perfectly-timed, cases.

Perhaps Wish kids just don't want to go to EuroDisney...perhaps that's why the CM doesn't see them there.

Who cares if it's popular. The people who live this live KNOW that it's NOT as you have stated.
 
After reading all these posts, I can't help but think: I am so blessed that neither I nor my immediate family needs special assistance of any kind. We are so fortunate to be able to go to WDW at all, when so many families never will, for whatever reasons. For those families in need who make it to WDW - I wish you a MAGICAL trip and hope it is worth every line you wait in.

And I feel doubly blessed that neither I nor my immediate family would EVER consider cheating the system - in any way, shape or form. For those who get a thrill out of cheating the system - and they know who they are - thank you for providing me the opportunity to teach my children who NOT to be.

In this world there are those who follow the rules and those who don't. I'll be damned if I'm going to let the rule breakers ruin my great time. Go ahead and cheat the system if you're so desperate. I'm going to hang with my kids in line and enjoy them.

Here's to the rule followers of the world! It ain't really so bad, is it? :-)


Nice post!

Our youngest son was born with a very rare birth defect. There is no cure. It is invisible (with his clothes on) to the average onlooker.

When we travel to Disney, we have never acquired a GAC, never seek out or expect any special treatment. Since our son is able to wait in the regular line like everyone else, we gladly do so.

We spend a lot of time in a Children's Hospital. We see children with all sorts of special needs. When I see special needs children at Disney, I am just glad the family was able to have a Disney vacation... for the child and the parents, for I understand some of their daily stress, pain, heartbreak and fears.
 














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