And the moon is made of Swiss cheese.For all we know Disney has a special exemption. (Stupid yes if true but they practically ran the fire dept for a looong time…)
And the moon is made of Swiss cheese.For all we know Disney has a special exemption. (Stupid yes if true but they practically ran the fire dept for a looong time…)
5 adults, one bath, is pushing it without a scooter. You might be able to physically fit everything but a horrible idea. You've rejected reasonable suggestions.My question is, will we be able to fit 5 adults in a room along with 2 ECV’s? If not, do you have any suggestions for us?
Yes ANY 2 bdrm DVC with balcony or 2 rooms. I also mentioned making SACRIFICES to make this work.OKW is not a good alternative to the GF. A completely different location and experience.
2 DVC studios at the GF would work. POLY, contemporary and even WL are possibilities.
I have stayed at the GF multiple times and it is the only resort that feels like “home” to us when we are in Disney. For this upcoming trip we will be staying with my family and my parents in the same room. We have booked two ECV’s for our stay for my parents to use when we go to the parks. My problem is trying to fit 4 adults and a 13 year old, who is the size of an adult, in our room along with two ECV’s.
I posted about this on the disability forum and it was suggested to request an accessible room. Does anyone know if these rooms are on all levels of the hotel? (We are not staying Club Level.). My husband needs a balcony to feel comfortable and we love being on the higher floors. I’m debating my options right now and I have just a standard room booked at this point.
There are only three requirements for this trip for my family. 1 We must stay at the GF. We have tried other resorts and are always disappointed we didn’t spend the extra money to stay here. 2. We must have a balcony on a higher floor. If we are stuck being crammed into a small room it will have to be that way. 3. My parents can’t afford their own room at the GF and we can’t pay for them to have their own room as we are already paying for the entire vacation.
Reading my own post lets me see how stringent my requirements are.. So….. does anyone know if accessible rooms are on higher floors? I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
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As with many laws it seems that there is always wriggle room provided in the choice of wording. In the sections cited it refers to impeding the access to hallways that meet the minimum width. It doesn’t speak to whether or not it is within the guidelines if the space exceeds the minimum.You are correct. The 2023 Florida Building Code, Section 1020.4 reads:
1005.7 reads:
So, other than doors when fully opened and handrails, all other obstructions, whether temporary or permanent, are prohibited as they reduce the required egress width. I don't know why cast members do or do not suggest parking ECV's in hallways, but I do know the Code. Oh, and Group I-2 Occupancies are medical facilities, and more specifically for the exceptions, nursing homes, and the exceptions are limited to very specific conditions. There are no such exceptions given for Group R Occupancies (hotels):
The Building Code really doesn't like anything in a hallway serving as a primary means of egress, and it addresses the potential in multiple Chapters. The little alcoves you see in BRV, for example, where the hallway width widens, likely don't give you any leeway either, as parking a scooter there would encroach on the clear space required around the exit door for the room.
And yes, Mousekeeping leaving those linen storage carts unattended in the hallways would also violate the code. A conventional housekeeping cart left attended (with the CM inside the room with the door propped open) would not raise any concern, but a scooter left in the hallway, in the middle of the night, unattended in a possibly smoke-filled hallway, also possibly illuminated by only emergency lighting, would be another story.
ETA: to be clear, the FFPC (Florida Fire protection Code) adopts the minimum width requirements of the Building Code, and also only allows exceptions, in Section 19.1.6.1, for corridors providing egress for patient rooms in healthcare facilities (also, specifically, for "wheeled equipment").
Anyone who has pushed a double stroller through the halls and has had to navigate around ECVs, housekeeping carts, or another family with a double stroller knows that there isn’t a lot of extra room in the hallways on a good day. If there is an emergency, especially at night when the entire floor is exiting at the same time, having any kind of impediment in the hallway could quickly make the situation become tragic.As with many laws it seems that there is always wriggle room provided in the choice of wording. In the sections cited it refers to impeding the access to hallways that meet the minimum width. It doesn’t speak to whether or not it is within the guidelines if the space exceeds the minimum.
We had to evacuate BWV one night a few years ago for a fire alarm. It was chaotic in the first place with some panicking and kids crying or having to be carried as dead weight, but the obstacle course to leave with scooters parked on both sides of the hallway was crazy. If a family had a double stroller (or even a single) to corral their kids, they would have been stuck at several points. Last year at WL CL, we didn’t have an evacuation, but coming back after an AH, it was the same situation with ECV along both walls, and I told my kid that I hoped we didn’t have another fire alarm. It felt like the WL hallways were especially narrow, but that was probably just my perspective. I really, really wish I had taken pictures, but I’m old and never think about doing that kind of thing.Anyone who has pushed a double stroller through the halls and has had to navigate around ECVs, housekeeping carts, or another family with a double stroller knows that there isn’t a lot of extra room in the hallways on a good day. If there is an emergency, especially at night when the entire floor is exiting at the same time, having any kind of impediment in the hallway could quickly make the situation become tragic.
But feel free to continue to justify others’ selfish behavior just so they can have a bit more space in their hotel room.
Easy chief. I’m not advocating for anything. Merely pointing out that often legalese consistently leaves room for interpretation.Anyone who has pushed a double stroller through the halls and has had to navigate around ECVs, housekeeping carts, or another family with a double stroller knows that there isn’t a lot of extra room in the hallways on a good day. If there is an emergency, especially at night when the entire floor is exiting at the same time, having any kind of impediment in the hallway could quickly make the situation become tragic.
But feel free to continue to justify others’ selfish behavior just so they can have a bit more space in their hotel room.
I just don’t think we should be encouraging dangerous behavior.Easy chief. I’m not advocating for anything. Merely pointing out that often legalese consistently leaves room for interpretation.
It's simple math. The halls aren't wide enough.Easy chief. I’m not advocating for anything. Merely pointing out that often legalese consistently leaves room for interpretation.
As with many laws it seems that there is always wriggle room provided in the choice of wording. In the sections cited it refers to impeding the access to hallways that meet the minimum width. It doesn’t speak to whether or not it is within the guidelines if the space exceeds the minimum.
Easy chief. I’m not advocating for anything. Merely pointing out that often legalese consistently leaves room for interpretation.
I don’t think that anyone is. Seems to be a discussion concerning conflicting information coming from Disney.I just don’t think we should be encouraging dangerous behavior.