Two Alligators Involved

[GPC0321]

Guys, read the story.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Angelo Nieves told the Orlando Sentinel Sunday that during initial interviews, a witness also said "he saw a second gator attack the father" as he was fighting with the first one that had his son.

Nieves said this was the only witness to mention a second gator. Nieves said the father did not tell the Sheriff's Office of a second gator.

It's a witness that stated so. And the only one. There was probably so much going on, they couldn't tell. It's a non story.

Okay, that completely contradicts the story linked in the original post of this thread from the Orlando Sentinel article which clearly says:

"The father of the 2-year-old boy who was killed in an alligator attack near Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa told officials a second gator was involved, records show.

In public records released this week, Capt. Tom Wellons with the Reedy Creek Fire Department emailed two supervisors about his interaction with the child's father, Matt Graves, the morning after Lane Graves went missing....
....
He said on the way to the hospital, Graves shared "the horror that he experienced" as his son was being pulled into the water and "how another gator attacked him as he fought for his son," Wellons wrote in the email."

Apparently both the father and the one witness reported a second gator.

 

[ParkHoppers]

The fences aren't to stop gators.

It's to spell it out to people that this is a no-no. It will draw a lot of attention to someone that actually climbs the fence to dip their feet in the water. Everyone will be staring at them thinking who is the moron that just climbed the fence to go into the disgusting water.

Exactly this.

 

[whiporee]

It doesn't matter because the child is still dead, and that's the key point. But I also think that two alligators is unprovable, and makes WDW seem more negligent, that there were a plethora of killer alligators in the water rather than one rogue.

It's been weeks; the trauma has faded even if the pain hasn't. At at some point you (or your attorney) starts thinking about the lawsuit. I believe that is what this is.

 

[Just1Princess]

IMO, the fact that five alligators were trapped before the child was found would be enough ammo for the lawyers.

 

[Silock]

IMO, the fact that five alligators were trapped before the child was found would be enough ammo for the lawyers.

Probably. But they could probably go out right now and find another 5 at least.

 

[rteetz]

IMO, the fact that five alligators were trapped before the child was found would be enough ammo for the lawyers.

You can't prove that all of those alligators were in the lake when the attack happened. The lake is connected to other water ways where they could've come from. It's also hard to find a body in the middle of the night at the bottom of a murky lake with five teams.

 

[rteetz]

Probably. But they could probably go out right now and find another 5 at least.

Exactly. Alligators are always going to come back there is no stopping them.

 

[Just1Princess]

You can't prove that all of those alligators were in the lake when the attack happened. The lake is connected to other water ways where they could've come from. It's also hard to find a body in the middle of the night at the bottom of a murky lake with five teams.

You're right, and I agree. The previous poster just made me think that maybe the two gator news was lawyer fuel, and I really don't think any additional gas was needed for that particular fire.

 

[whiporee]

You're right, and I agree. The previous poster just made me think that maybe the two gator news was lawyer fuel, and I really don't think any additional gas was needed for that particular fire.

I don't think they needed fuel, but when you're looking for the biggest possible payoff, every bit or information/bias you can come up with helps.

 

[kimberh]

We had two gators in our lagoon last June, at the same time. My son, has multiple gators laying on his bank, at the same time, sometimes 6-7. A few years ago my friend had two dogs, they both jumped in her mother's back lake and two gators jumped them, at the same time. It was horrifying. The gators can stay submerged for 24 hrs if it has to, but 20-30 min is normal ( I just checked) those gators don't rush in, they crawl in, very slow, and wait. I watched one once at our Lake house. It was waiting for a dog to come get a drink from the lake. We have watched a 11ft one take two hrs to slowly swim across the lake to where dogs were swimming with kids in a lagoon, then go under, when we saw it go under, we yelled and yelled. They all got out. We were fishing. I would not doubt at all that Two Gators were present. Not from what I have witnessed living on the water in the South.
Now, I was just at the Poly the week before this happened. We saw the " No Swimming" Signs, That is not "no wadding" I don't care how you try to get around this, They had a Lifeguard, He was there, when the mother was yelling for help, he is the one that called 911, that is what I heard the news say. People not from areas with Gators don't think about them, why would they? I have never seen one at Disney and we go 2-3 times a year.
I don't usually post here, but this post caught my attention.

 

[maxiesmom]

[QUOTE="kimberh, post: 56081392, member: 72387"
Now, I was just at the Poly the week before this happened. We saw the " No Swimming" Signs, That is not "no wadding" I don't care how you try to get around this, They had a Lifeguard, He was there, when the mother was yelling for help, he is the one that called 911, that is what I heard the news say. People not from areas with Gators don't think about them, why would they? I have never seen one at Disney and we go 2-3 times a year.
I don't usually post here, but this post caught my attention.[/QUOTE]

The lifeguard was by the pool. Not on the beach. We don't have gators in Michigan but I have long knew they had them in Florida. So I don't buy that if you don't live with them you don't know about them. A major college in Florida has a gator for the mascot, for crying out loud. I think people know their are gators in Florida, but for some it doesn't connect that they are in all bodies of water and they need to be careful. For sure the parents didn't think their child would be attacked. It was a tragic accident.

And sorry, but I have never ever thought that a No Swimming sign meant it was ok to put my feet in the water. Different people obviously interpret that sign differently.

 

[rteetz]

The lifeguard was by the pool. Not on the beach. We don't have gators in Michigan but I have long knew they had them in Florida. So I don't buy that if you don't live with them you don't know about them. A major college in Florida has a gator for the mascot, for crying out loud. I think people know their are gators in Florida, but for some it doesn't connect that they are in all bodies of water and they need to be careful. For sure the parents didn't think their child would be attacked. It was a tragic accident.

While true people tend to think Disney is in a protective bubble and that there won't be any gators there which isn't true.

 

[Shanti]

While true people tend to think Disney is in a protective bubble and that there won't be any gators there which isn't true.

Yes. On one trip my apprehensive son asked if something was safe, and the CM said, "You're at Disney World. Nothing bad can happen here." I considered the irony of her saying that because I was aware that a child had drowned in a resort pool once, but I didn't comment.

They definitely try to cultivate the "you're in a cocoon" feeling. Not saying that's bad, because I enjoy that, but Disney does project that image intentionally.

 

[beer dave]

The gators can stay submerged for 24 hrs if it has to, but 20-30 min is normal ( I just checked)

Checked where? 4 to 15 minutes is normal. up to 2 hours has been recorded.

 

[disneynutz]

Bottom line a child was tragically killed at WDW and Disney has a legal responsibility because the lakes are main made and privately owned. It doesn't much how many alligators where involved. They have now taken steps to bring attention to the possible danger.

Most experts agree that alligators do not normally attack humans and that feeding them will increase the possibility of a future attack.

Bill

 

[PuppyJonathan]

Bottom line a child was tragically killed at WDW and Disney has a legal responsibility because the lakes are main made and privately owned. It doesn't much how many alligators where involved. They have now taken steps to bring attention to the possible danger.

Most experts agree that alligators do not normally attack humans and that feeding them will increase the possibility of a future attack.

Bill

But where it happened is connected to a natural lake by a wide canal

 

[disneynutz]

But where it happened is connected to a natural lake by a wide canal

Doesn't matter, I believe Florida law makes a private man made lake, private property, Disney is the responsible party.

A natural lake on private property would be considered a natural habitat and Disney would not be responsible.

Bill

 

[PuppyJonathan]

It is still technically a natural environment though with bay lake connecting to it. Seven seas lagoon is more so an extension of a natural lake instead of a full blown man made lake a la the other lakes surrounding resorts (world showcase lagoon, hourglass lake, logo dorado and crescent lake) on property

 

[HopperFan]

The lifeguard was by the pool. Not on the beach. We don't have gators in Michigan but I have long knew they had them in Florida. So I don't buy that if you don't live with them you don't know about them. A major college in Florida has a gator for the mascot, for crying out loud. I think people know their are gators in Florida, but for some it doesn't connect that they are in all bodies of water and they need to be careful. For sure the parents didn't think their child would be attacked. It was a tragic accident.

And sorry, but I have never ever thought that a No Swimming sign meant it was ok to put my feet in the water. Different people obviously interpret that sign differently.

Yes. There seems to be the thought process that there are lifeguards ON the beach. There are not because you are not to enter the water. The lifeguard was over by the pool. By time he left his post and got down to the beach .... it was over.

Agree. Much of our family is living in Nebraska, we have been many times and swim in the water there. I've been to the family's town, know where they live. I spoke to our family, not knowing where they fell on this. Their answer - in Nebraska you would never enter the water or go on the banks of the waterways in the evenings as they too have many animals such as beavers, snakes etc that could be harmful. They would never let their children play in/near water after dark. They may live in the middle of the country but are very aware that alligators and other animals are wild in Florida and elsewhere. Also if you have seen that water, not a foot or so out (where they said he was) is long waving underwater plants, perfect home for snakes. I wouldn't put my feet a inch deep in that water just based on what it looks like, even if I knew nothing else.

THIS is an very interesting read by Danny Cevallos is a CNN legal analyst and a personal injury & criminal defense attorney. His comments are very specific to Florida law. I know there have been other cases such as this that the defendant was found not fully liable due to it being wildlife. I think the questionable nature of the outcome could mean out of court settlement.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/opinions/hotels-may-avoid-liability-alligator-attack-danny-cevallos/

 

[Lothlórien]

We may never know what happened. I find it hard to believe a security camera did not pick it up. You touch anything in the attractions the ride instantly gets shut down.

That was my initial thought. You cannot pick your nose in Disney without Mickey knowing about it.
On a beach, where a sexual assault, fight, etc could happen, I would expect Disney to have a state of the art camera capturing it all.
Of course, for all we know, they do and that information is not public.