TSM standby-less test Oct. 6-9

[Suvadoo]

Other than posting on Facebook (which will be deleted), emailing (which will more than likely get you a blah blah blah form letter or ignored), or calling, the most basic thing you can do is stop spending money at Disney.

I think you're right, but I don't think a lot of us are willing to do that. Maybe we could re-live the 70's and launch a campaign for a 1 day boycott of WDW! Wouldn't that be great? I know impossible, but I can fantasize.

 

[magicbob]

I disagree. It seems every aspect of the discussion that comes up within which myself or one of the other supporters of the standby-less approach express a preference is met with a set of responses that build on each other in abrasive objection to our preference. Meanwhile, the three of us have gone out of our way to make clear that we understand and respect that other guests prefer things a different way from us for their own reasons.

Which actually wasn't a demeaning post but actually the opposite, as if people were just looking for one more reason to do another pile on instead of actually reading what we're posting in context. If you cannot respect our preference for the standby-less approach then please just ignore our comments entirely.

You keep trotting out the "please respect my preferences" as a straw man argument. We DO respect your preferences. But respect is a two-way street. We do not respect being called morons incapable of feeding ourselves since we are clearly too stupid to figure out how to properly book a FP. If your post supposedly was the opposite of demeaning, it should be clear from the amount of "piling on" in response that you failed to properly communicate your intent (except I think you very clearly did communicate it and are now back-pedaling).

Just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't mean that they don't respect you. They just disagree. Disrespect comes in the form of belittling others by implying that anyone who has difficulties with FP must not be smart enough to feed themselves.

 

[Jennasis]

Okay. FP+ only= bad.

 

[faneuil]

I have a hard time remembering what I had for dinner last night (steak, I think?) let alone what someone said on page 72 (random number, folks) of this thread.

For now? I'd like Disney to keep the status quo. Start with 3 FP+, then get more as you can. Keep the SB. I think it's the closest to the best of both worlds we can expect from a place that caters to a wide variety of travelers. At least at this point in the game.

After all the major, crazy construction is done, maybe reassess. I have no idea at this point.

Two changes I would make:
1. The ability to pick up FP 4 and up via the app. Otherwise, you're just in another line at the kiosk.
2. The ability to pick the first three FP+ from 2 parks - for all those park hoppers out there.

Agree/Disagree, doesn't bother me. some bean counter will decide regardless of the opinions here.

Whew. Can we all just get on IASM together and sing now?

 

[vacationer1954]

We do not respect being called morons incapable of feeding ourselves since we are clearly too stupid to figure out how to properly book a FP.

And again I never said anything like that. You just keep on claiming I do and it feels to me like it is because you are trying to find some way of continuing to pile on someone who likes the standby-less idea. Please stop doing that.

 

[magicbob]

Or, even better...how about everyone steps away, since the original purpose of this thread ceased pages and pages ago.

True, the test has ended. But the larger question of what it could mean for the future remains and is of interest to many.

 

[magicbob]

And again I never said anything like that. You just keep on claiming I do and it feels to me like it is because you are trying to find some way of continuing to pile on someone who likes the standby-less idea. Please stop doing that.

Ok. You never said that and we're just piling on. Got it. At least you're being consistent in your feigned moral indignation.

As someone suggested earlier, maybe you might want to go back and read what you wrote. Have a magical day.

 

[norybell]

My sister called yesterday, and we were trying to think of a way that an all-FP system might work for us. Other than the probably-mathematically-impossible legacy-style flexibility that I mentioned way upthread, I think it would go a long way if we could hang onto more than one FP at a time. The logistics of the thing might be impossible, but it sure would be nice.

Granted, being able to experience two attractions in an hour would really defeat WDW's purpose, of making us shop and eat more. But from my family's perspective, the idea of having to schedule all our rides, one per hour, really doesn't work. We're typically morning park tourers; we leave after lunch, spend the afternoon poolside, and go to drinks and a nice dinner in the evening (perhaps in a park for fireworks, but by the end of the day we're less interested in running around for rides anyhow). Which makes us already WDW's ideal guests, right (we stay Deluxe, too!)? But if we can only ride three rides in a morning...well, then, it wouldn't really be worth it for us to be in the parks at all.

I suppose they could tier it, give you the choice of one e-ticket in an hour, or 2 d-tickets, or 3 Dumbos, or something. That would just make an already-complicated beast even more complicated. But, really, if you've chosen Dumbo for an FP, that leaves a whole lotta minutes left in an hour to fill if you can't ride anything else in the meantime!

 

[Jennasis]

Disney is contributing to the obesity epidemic by trying to convince guests to eat more...between the dining plan/free dining and their use of FP+ to shoo people off the lines for rides and into restaurants and snack shops. Who's with me!?!









no?


Dang..it was worth a shot.

 

[JanaDee]

never mind ...life exists outside of this thread

 

[vacationer1954]

Ok. You never said that and we're just piling on. Got it. At least you're being consistent in your feigned moral indignation.

As someone suggested earlier, maybe you might want to go back and read what you wrote. Have a magical day.

You keep posting sarcastic and condescending comments while I have been very polite and still claim that you're being respectful? Maybe you might want to go back and read what I wrote and what you've written back to me and the others who support the standby-less idea throughout this thread.

My sister called yesterday, and we were trying to think of a way that an all-FP system might work for us. Other than the probably-mathematically-impossible legacy-style flexibility that I mentioned way upthread, I think it would go a long way if we could hang onto more than one FP at a time. The logistics of the thing might be impossible, but it sure would be nice.

I think part of the problem with that is that the rides themselves when they are fully staffed can support a certain number of guests per hour. Having FPs spaced out helps motivate guests to arrive earlier so that some of the capacity that a ride can offer can get used instead of being wasted. Either way flexibility is going to be lost. The benefit we get from going more standby-less is the ability to more FP experiences in a day but that has to come at a cost and the cost is flexibility.

 

[magicbob]

You keep posting sarcastic and condescending comments while I have been very polite and still claim that you're being respectful? Maybe you might want to go back and read what I wrote and what you've written back to me and the others who support the standby-less idea throughout this thread.

I invite anyone to read what has been written and decide for themselves who was condescending. You are determined to get the last word in and insist that any debate is somehow disrespectful. Great tactic, BTW... Eliminate any opposing viewpoints by branding them as personal attacks. Welcome to the "ignore" list.

 

[surferdave]

Disney is contributing to the obesity epidemic by trying to convince guests to eat more...between the dining plan/free dining and their use of FP+ to shoo people off the lines for rides and into restaurants and snack shops. Who's with me!?!

no?

Dang..it was worth a shot.

At any given moment at the WDW parks there are probably more people in standby lines than there are actually enjoying attractions, dining, and shopping combined. If we're not in standby lines anymore when they eliminate them, where will we be? Meandering around eating Mickey Bars.

 

[Suvadoo]

My sister called yesterday, and we were trying to think of a way that an all-FP system might work for us. Other than the probably-mathematically-impossible legacy-style flexibility that I mentioned way upthread, I think it would go a long way if we could hang onto more than one FP at a time. The logistics of the thing might be impossible, but it sure would be nice.

Granted, being able to experience two attractions in an hour would really defeat WDW's purpose, of making us shop and eat more. But from my family's perspective, the idea of having to schedule all our rides, one per hour, really doesn't work. We're typically morning park tourers; we leave after lunch, spend the afternoon poolside, and go to drinks and a nice dinner in the evening (perhaps in a park for fireworks, but by the end of the day we're less interested in running around for rides anyhow). Which makes us already WDW's ideal guests, right (we stay Deluxe, too!)? But if we can only ride three rides in a morning...well, then, it wouldn't really be worth it for us to be in the parks at all.

I suppose they could tier it, give you the choice of one e-ticket in an hour, or 2 d-tickets, or 3 Dumbos, or something. That would just make an already-complicated beast even more complicated. But, really, if you've chosen Dumbo for an FP, that leaves a whole lotta minutes left in an hour to fill if you can't ride anything else in the meantime!

IMO increasing the FP return time window would make a huge difference. Legacy FP lost a lot of appeal for me when Disney started enforcing the return times. If they increased the return window to 2 hours instead of 1 hour I might like FP+ a little more. 1 ride per hour is not enough if they eliminate SB. But if they do go to a reservation only system, they will succeed in dramatically reducing theme park attendance!

 

[cakebaker]

Ok. You never said that and we're just piling on. Got it. At least you're being consistent in your feigned moral indignation.

As someone suggested earlier, maybe you might want to go back and read what you wrote. Have a magical day.

Pot, have you met kettle? You want to complain about someone else's feigned moral indignation?

 

[Suvadoo]

Disney is contributing to the obesity epidemic by trying to convince guests to eat more...between the dining plan/free dining and their use of FP+ to shoo people off the lines for rides and into restaurants and snack shops. Who's with me!?!









no?


Dang..it was worth a shot.

I see a lawsuit in the future!!!

 

[surferdave]

Did Bob claim that he was being respectful? You guys are being passive aggressive, he's just being aggressive aggressive. That's just a slightly more respectable kind of aggressive.

 

[cakebaker]

It seems every aspect of the discussion that comes up within which myself or one of the other supporters of the standby-less approach express a preference is met with a set of responses that build on each other in abrasive objection to our preference. Meanwhile, the three of us have gone out of our way to make clear that we understand and respect that other guests prefer things a different way from us for their own reasons.

Absolutely true- it's almost as if the attacks are orchestrated. I was warned about this weeks ago when I first entered this thread.

Yes, I constantly said I understand how other people don't like it. I don't say that so much anymore because the problem isn't what I think of others opinions. The problem is a simple matter of I like fp+ and I like what WDW is doing with their future plans. That's going to get you some hits around here.

Have at it. I like fp+. Sue me.

 

[magicbob]

Pot, have you met kettle? You want to complain about someone else's feigned moral indignation?

Who? Little ol' me? I never said that. It seems like you don't respect my preference and are just looking for reasons to pile on those who prefer a standby option. Please stop doing that.

Although we are on opposite sides of the debate, I respect that you at least are able to conduct a rational debate without taking disagreement personally (at least I think that's the case).

P.S. No indignation on my part, feigned or otherwise... I and others we're merely pointing out the hypocrisy of throwing insults and then playing victim when called out for it.

 

[cakebaker]

Did Bob claim that he was being respectful? You guys are being passive aggressive, he's just being aggressive aggressive. That's just a slightly more respectable kind of aggressive.

So now understanding that others don't like fp+ while vehemently liking it is called passive aggressive?

That used to called acting like a decent human being.