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I also am in the no-fly camp. I travel a lot, have the time and a very comfortable car.
I do feel bad for my elderly in-laws who were looking forward to a visit from their young great grandchildren. The children's parents have decided they don't want their little ones exposed to radiation or 'patted' down so they have canceled their family trip unless TSA regulations affecting children change.
I am genuinely curious why those childrens' parents are fine with them being outside exposed to the harmful rays from the sun, or the much greater radiation during the flight, than the small bit according to radiation experts (American College of Radiology, Chief of Radiology at Massachusetts General Hospital, among others) to which they'd be exposed IF their airport and their specific set of gates is using the backscatter scanners?
 
I don't advocate reducing security. I think we should look at other effective security measures such as the Israeli's airport security management, which is the best in the world.
But many people yelled and screamed when they have done anything that would look like profiling. My son just grew to expect it soon after 9/11 (dark complected, has a beard, travels to many countries with many electronics in his carry on). He flies often, and he still seems to be picked out randomly..although it doesn't bother him.
 
But many people yelled and screamed when they have done anything that would look like profiling. My son just grew to expect it soon after 9/11 (dark complected, has a beard, travels to many countries with many electronics in his carry on). He flies often, and he still seems to be picked out randomly..although it doesn't bother him.

I think in large part people, "yelled and screamed", because it was random. Yeffet didn't suggest random profiling.
 

When something gets to be too much for me, I may make changes. I'm just talking about what they are doing now. At this point, I'll still fly. IF another plane blows up, and they go another step, I'll have to see how I feel then.

If a mall was blown up whle crowded with people, I prob would then think that something would need to be done there also..not sure what, but I'd rather feel safe (even if in just my mind) when going into a mall with a grandchild, if that was something the enemy was successful at.

When going in for jury duty, I go through a scanner, to be sure I"m not carrying a gun..and that's been for some time. Why? Because people have brought a gun in and shot at a defendant. Is that against my civil rights?

We cruise often..I wish they had the scans going onto ships. I think they would be considered a good target, especially one going out of the US for a TA crossing.

What would be too much for you? (She asks, in a respectful, kind manner :goodvibes). I'm truly curious where many people would draw the line. Are body scans in malls OK? Bus stations? Hospitals? Are cavity searches OK? (Just because I'm thinking it may be a matter of time before someone takes down a plane with something hidding very deep :sick:). I think that history has taught us that freedom is often taken away in small doses.
 
Quoting the article I posted.

Have things changed? The bolded and underlined above didn't indicate everyone goes through scanners. Yeffet stated they are used only if a person is suspicious.

I think in large part people, "yelled and screamed", because it was random. Yeffet didn't suggest random profiling.

I should have said I was being facetious. My son is profiled for the same reason some are in the above quote. Because they think he is suspicious. Many of those pulled aside in 'random' profiling looked much like my son. And people didn't like that. Just because they look the part, they didn't like being 'randomly' picked out of line. My son isn't picked because the 5th person through was checked (and no one knew which number would be picked). He was 'picked' because of what he looks like. Because he was suspicious.
 
I should have said I was being facetious. My son is profiled for the same reason some are in the above quote. Because they think he is suspicious. Many of those pulled aside in 'random' profiling looked much like my son. And people didn't like that. Just because they look the part, they didn't like being 'randomly' picked out of line. My son isn't picked because the 5th person through was checked (and no one knew which number would be picked). He was 'picked' because of what he looks like. Because he was suspicious.

The article states they interview everyone. They only use the scanners on people that are suspicious after interviewing.

ETA- Just wanted to mention, I knew what you meant earlier. I stated, "random" rather than discriminate.
 
The appropriate question - how many potential terrorists had to choose other mechanisms because of airport security? There have been many terrorist attempts in America since 9/11.

Thank you. This is my point as well. How many plot/plans have had to be changed or stopped due to the heightened security???
 
The article states they interview everyone. They only use the scanners on people that are suspicious after interviewing.

I wonder..has anyone here gone through that? Anyone know what the interview is? Is it much more than how are you, where are you going, etc? I also wonder if what the person looks like has anything to do with what makes them suspicious in the interview. My son will be flying to and from CA next week..I can't wait to see if he's once more 'randomly' pulled aside. Especially if they notice on his passport (that he'll use for ID) that he just flew in this week from Ireland, and two weeks ago he was all over Europe for short periods of time. I wonder if that will make him suspicious here.
 
I am genuinely curious why those childrens' parents are fine with them being outside exposed to the harmful rays from the sun, or the much greater radiation during the flight, than the small bit according to radiation experts (American College of Radiology, Chief of Radiology at Massachusetts General Hospital, among others) to which they'd be exposed IF their airport and their specific set of gates is using the backscatter scanners?

Probably because there is so little trust in the TSA.
 
This is critical, and you've really highlighted the gross Entitlement Mentality inherent in the insistence on being able to take photographs of the security screening area.


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It isn't anything of the sort. Photography is not prohibited by TSA.

TSA has made an official statement clearly stating that photographing TSA security-screening checkpoints is not illegal, forbidden or restricted.

On the 31st of March in 09 the TSA posted the following statement through their Office of Strategic Communications & Public Relations:

“We don’t prohibit public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at screening locations. You can take pictures at our checkpoints as long as you’re not interfering with the screening process or slowing things down. We also ask that you do not film or take pictures of our monitors.
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http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2009/03/can-i-take-photos-at-checkpoint-and.html
 
If I remember right (don't feel like going back and looking), it was about if TSA could prohibit photo's at the pat downs, and I thought someone said the airport is public, they could take any pictures they wanted in a public place. I thought I was making the point that they could make that a place, like customs in the airport, where camera's were not allowed to be out. I was saying that the airport is not always public (and as mentioned, some parts aren't). Are you saying they could not do that?

As in an earlier post, TSA does't prohibit photography. What they might doin the future???? I'll leave it to the lawyers, but I believe there is case law that would not make it easy to stop photography.
 
No, changing the patdown procedure for children under twelve from the enhanced patdown back to the standard patdown is, indeed, not just listening, but responding. How can it be considered anything else???? Soothing? Really? Children were patted down prior to the changes earlier this month; this isn't new.

As for what results come from the TSA talking with the (relatively few) passengers who've had issues, well, we'll have to wait and see what happens. Maybe that is just placating, who knows? Maybe, on the other hand - here comes the optimist ;) - it will result in changes.

I have a nice bridge for sale :)
 
But many people yelled and screamed when they have done anything that would look like profiling. My son just grew to expect it soon after 9/11 (dark complected, has a beard, travels to many countries with many electronics in his carry on). He flies often, and he still seems to be picked out randomly..although it doesn't bother him.

What you describe is racial profiling . . . what is effective is behavioral profiling (and that doesn't mean simply "oh, she looks like she is hiding something"). The first is worthless . . . the second requires much, much more training than we give to TSAers.
 
When something gets to be too much for me, I may make changes. I'm just talking about what they are doing now. At this point, I'll still fly. IF another plane blows up, and they go another step, I'll have to see how I feel then.

If a mall was blown up whle crowded with people, I prob would then think that something would need to be done there also..not sure what, but I'd rather feel safe (even if in just my mind) when going into a mall with a grandchild, if that was something the enemy was successful at.

When going in for jury duty, I go through a scanner, to be sure I"m not carrying a gun..and that's been for some time. Why? Because people have brought a gun in and shot at a defendant. Is that against my civil rights?

We cruise often..I wish they had the scans going onto ships. I think they would be considered a good target, especially one going out of the US for a TA crossing.

The recent steps are all based on attempts to blow up planes . . . fortunately. The most recent attempts didn't even involve passengers.

The court house scanner you mention is not the new scanner technology. My court house allows me to keep my shoes on and carry my coffee through. ETA: I cruise often too . . . I have yet to get onto a cruise ship without going through a metal detector and having my bags xrayed. Where do you cruise from on what line that doesn't do this?
 
I wonder..has anyone here gone through that? Anyone know what the interview is? Is it much more than how are you, where are you going, etc? I also wonder if what the person looks like has anything to do with what makes them suspicious in the interview. My son will be flying to and from CA next week..I can't wait to see if he's once more 'randomly' pulled aside. Especially if they notice on his passport (that he'll use for ID) that he just flew in this week from Ireland, and two weeks ago he was all over Europe for short periods of time. I wonder if that will make him suspicious here.

Somewhere in this monstrosity of a thread I posted my friend's experience in Ben Gurion airport. Because of her travel history she was subjected to the "intensive" interview. I don't know if she was profiled based on looks as well.
 
As in an earlier post, TSA does't prohibit photography. What they might doin the future???? I'll leave it to the lawyers, but I believe there is case law that would not make it easy to stop photography.

I know they don't now. Someone said they can't...but if customs can, then I wonder if TSA can, if it becomes a problem.
 
My recent experience with airport screening was nothing out of norm. I flew out of my hometown airport to Florida and flew home from Orlando. Piece of cake.

What did bother me was the fact that while unpacking upon getting home I found my normal sized bottles of shampoo and conditioner each about 3/4 full in the outside pocket of my carry on. I thought it had been packed in my checked luggage. I was shocked it was there. I made sure to pull my 1.5oz bottle of hand sanitizer and 2 oz bottle of lotion out to be screened, but didn't even know the shampoo and conditioner were there.
 
My recent experience with airport screening was nothing out of norm. I flew out of my hometown airport to Florida and flew home from Orlando. Piece of cake.

What did bother me was the fact that while unpacking upon getting home I found my normal sized bottles of shampoo and conditioner each about 3/4 full in the outside pocket of my carry on. I thought it had been packed in my checked luggage. I was shocked it was there. I made sure to pull my 1.5oz bottle of hand sanitizer and 2 oz bottle of lotion out to be screened, but didn't even know the shampoo and conditioner were there.


My daughter had her full sized bottle of hand lotion in her pocket book and it went right through. No one caught it.
It was NOT intentionally brought on. She carries a large bag and it's always in there. She didn't think anything of it. Doesn't travel but once a year. I only realized it myself when I saw her putting on hand lotion when we reached our destination. She said no one questioned her, and obviously it went right through security.
 
When something gets to be too much for me, I may make changes. I'm just talking about what they are doing now. At this point, I'll still fly. IF another plane blows up, and they go another step, I'll have to see how I feel then.

If a mall was blown up whle crowded with people, I prob would then think that something would need to be done there also..not sure what, but I'd rather feel safe (even if in just my mind) when going into a mall with a grandchild, if that was something the enemy was successful at.

When going in for jury duty, I go through a scanner, to be sure I"m not carrying a gun..and that's been for some time. Why? Because people have brought a gun in and shot at a defendant. Is that against my civil rights?

We cruise often..I wish they had the scans going onto ships. I think they would be considered a good target, especially one going out of the US for a TA crossing.


Thanks for the response!
 
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