TSA mess and the police

[Cat0727]

I just flew to Disney out of LaGuardia on 11/15 and back on 11/19 and did not see these new scanners. You think they'd have only female TSA agents doing pat downs on women who don't want to go through the full body scan?

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

One more thing that everyone should keep in mind. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have already submitted to the new procedures. Only a relative few people have come forward as some sort of "victim". This is not what the media is making it out to be.

 

[JLTraveling]

Your Constitutional posts are wrong in more ways than I can list.

My Constitutional law professor would state otherwise. Nonetheless, I will defend to the death your right to hold an inaccurate opinion.

 

[kwelch10377]

I just flew to Disney out of LaGuardia on 11/15 and back on 11/19 and did not see these new scanners. You think they'd have only female TSA agents doing pat downs on women who don't want to go through the full body scan?

In both cases where I got the pat down they had to wait for a woman to come over and do it. That was at MCO and Logan, not sure if it is that case everywhere.

 

[olwyngdh]

Yes. I'm don't need a 4 year old to be patted down, to feel safe.

Actually, remembering my cousin's stories from Viet Nam, and some of my husbands from Iraq, I would feel better with children being patted down in addition to adults. Kids are, and have been, used.

I am very much of the all or nothing school. If we are going to use this technology and the pat downs, it needs to be done on everyone. If we are not doing it on everyone, we shouldn't be bothering with it--especially if it is random people *except* these groups. That just tells the bad guys where to hide their stuff.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I just flew to Disney out of LaGuardia on 11/15 and back on 11/19 and did not see these new scanners. You think they'd have only female TSA agents doing pat downs on women who don't want to go through the full body scan?

You can ask for a same sex agent for your pat down, even if one is not present at your security point. They will call one over.

 

[CathrynRose]

You people keep posting bunk like this even after the TSA changed its guidelines for children under 12. Try again.

I don't have to try again. Taken on Saturday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4

Maybe the TSA should be reminded of their guidelines?

 

[Cat0727]

I don't have to try again. Taken on Saturday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4

Maybe the TSA should be reminded of their guidelines?

That's just enraging. And the TSA agents are all standing around like it's a strip show...wth?

 

[CathrynRose]

Full Description of video:

Young Boy strip searched by TSA (Original w/ Full Story Description)
0:39
Lets get the facts straight first. Before the video started the boy went through a metal detector and didn't set it off but was selected for a pat down. The boy was shy so the TSA couldn't complete the full pat on the young boy. The father tried several times to just hold the boys arms out for the TSA agent but i guess it didn't end up being enough for the guy. I was about 30 ft away so i couldn't hear their conversation if there was any. The enraged father pulled his son shirt off and gave it to the TSA agent to search, thats when this video begins.

******* THIS VIDEO OCCURRED AT SALT LAKE CITY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT ON NOVEMBER 19TH AT AROUND THE TIME OF 12:00 PM **********

***Insertion of what happened after the video (full story)****

After I finished videotaping the incident I went through the check point myself. I collected my things and went over to talk to the father and son. Before I could get to them a man in a black suit who had been talking with the other TSA officials approached me. He asked to speak to me and I obliged, wondering what was to come. He then proceeded to interrogate me about why I was videotaping the "procedures of the TSA". I told him that I had never seen such practices before on a young child and decided to record it. The man being frustrated at this point demanded to know my plans with the video, of which I didn't respond. Repeatedly he asked me to delete the video, hoping his mere presence could intimidate me to obey, but I refused. By this point it became obvious that he felt TSA had done something wrong and that I caught it on tape. After the interview, I left for my gate. I called my brother who told me I should put the tape on YouTube because this had been a recent hot topic in the news.

My gate was a long way off, but about 15 minutes after arriving 2 TSA agents came and sat 15 feet or so away from me. I stood up and moved so that they were in front of me and then took a picture. A 3rd and then a 4th agent came and sat down with the others. They would occasionally glance at me and talk on their walkie-talkies. I don't know why they were there or if it was a huge coincidence but they stayed for 30-45 minutes and left just before I boarded the plan. Interesting to say the least, intimidating? Maybe a little...

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I don't have to try again. Taken on Saturday:

Maybe the TSA should be reminded of their guidelines?

TSA agents are just like the rest of the population. There are good ones and bad ones - well trained ones and ones who sleep through class. But the policy was changed almost immediately after the "enhanced" patdowns went into effect. The policy change was put in place last Tuesday.

 

[CathrynRose]

TSA agents are just like the rest of the population. There are good ones and bad ones - well trained ones and ones who sleep through class. But the policy was changed almost immediately after the "enhanced" patdowns went into effect. The policy change was put in place last Tuesday.

In this day and age, with all the heat the TSA has been getting as of late, your defense of these individuals is that not one, not two but THREE of them, didn't get the "no one under 12" memo, yet?

If that's the case, then how on earth can we put any trust in these people or organization, as a whole? They can't even get the word out, to (again) not one, not two, but three employees within five days of their policy change.

 

[CPT Tripss]

this entire thread-and the tempest in the teapot that it is creating-just emphasis how willing americans are to be manipulated by the mainstream media. Yes the situation in San Diego seems out of hand-but it also appears that the Harbor Police are contributing to that as well.
We are a family who fly ALOT-my husband an i work in the defense industry-both our sons are in graduate programs that do defense related research. As a family-since the first of November we have taken 18 air trips-these involved passing thru airport security in-Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, Las Vegas,Colorado Springs, and Huntsville ( Colorado Springs and Huntsville are smaller airports which do not have scanners) and layovers in Dallas and Houston that did not involve security screenings. In 18 trips -my younger son was put thur the scanner in Denver 1 time-he said the machine resemebled an MRI-and i witnessed one pat down i would consider intrusive. None of the other screenings have been signifgantly more intense that what we have experienced entering sporting events, concert venues or our work places. Yes i think there are areas where things are out of hand or offensive-it is a national transportation crisis-no its not-and for those of you who seem thing think its going to hit the airlines bottome line-there are a record number of seats booked for the holiday travel season-so if thats going to happen-its not going to be this month.
this of course has been our personal experience-your mileage may vary.

Or, one could observe it demonstrates the willingness of people to cede their privacy, dignity and personal rights to government agencies.

There are clearly valid reports of ostomy bags being spilled and breast prostheses being removed. When did that become OK behavior by anyone let alone by government employees?

I have experienced TSA patdowns (prior to the new procedures) that involved touching in places that should not be touched by strangers . . . places that a cop can't touch until s/he has probable cause. And patdowns that were down right painful because the TSAer ignored my statement about recent surgery and squeezed.

No, this kind of stuff isn't OK.

 

[kinntj]

I don't have to try again. Taken on Saturday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4

Maybe the TSA should be reminded of their guidelines?

I say do body cavity searches randomly. Remember, we're searching kids because a terrorist could potentially put something on a kid if they weren't searched. I say why wait, let's do that now. Remember if your dr. can do it, so can the TSA. They aren't molesters getting their jolly's off. They are very professional. They would never say something along the lines of "you better put your gloves on, because you need them where you're going".

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

That's just enraging. And the TSA agents are all standing around like it's a strip show...wth?

First - the father took off the shirt after the boy refused to cooperate during the pat down. The father was not asked by the TSA to remove the shirt - he did so because he became angry at his son. So, the TSA did not strip search the boy.

I wonder what you people see? What did you see that "enraged" you?

More absurdity from those trying to make something of nothing.

 

[CathrynRose]

TSA agents are just like the rest of the population. There are good ones and bad ones - well trained ones and ones who sleep through class. But the policy was changed almost immediately after the "enhanced" patdowns went into effect. The policy change was put in place last Tuesday.

And - we are supposed to feel safe and secure with agents who 'slept through class' - or in other words, not well trained? A government security agency with poorly trained individuals? Huh?

Forget it. Again, I'd be absolutely willing to take my chances with the security measures that were currently in place.

 

[wvjules]

I'm a little late to the party here, but wanted to throw in my experience. I recently had to take 2 business trips, one to Orlando and one to Vegas. On the way back from Orlando I went through the scanner and it went off, I had no belt on, no change, jewelry or anything else that I can think of that would set it off. Then I realized that it could be the underwire in my bra. I asked if I could go take it off and then go back through, they told me no I had to get the pat down. Fine whatever, never had one before didn't think it would be a big deal. Well needless to say I really think the TSA agent should have bought me dinner first. It was a little overboard. I think what was most embarassing was the fact that they do it right out in the open in front of everyone. I know I still have my clothes and everything on, but I think it would be a little more appropriate for them to take you behind a screen or something.

I understand the need for safety when flying and I don't really have a problem with the scanners, but there has got to be a better way than these pat downs.

You got an enhanced pat-down because you set off the alarm. Seems like common sense to me.

My Constitutional law professor would state otherwise. Nonetheless, I will defend to the death your right to hold an inaccurate opinion.

Facts can be inaccurate, but can opinions?

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

In this day and age, with all the heat the TSA has been getting as of late, your defense of these individuals is that not one, not two but THREE of them, didn't get the "no one under 12" memo, yet?

If that's the case, then how on earth can we put any trust in these people or organization, as a whole? They can't even get the word out, to (again) not one, not two, but three employees within five days of their policy change.

I just watched the video. If you saw something thast offended you, you made it up in your own mind. The actual pat down of that boy took seconds and if you saw anything "enhanced" in that patdown video, then you can see through people.

The father took off the shirt of his own accord.

What the heck are you people seeing?

 

[CathrynRose]

First - the father took off the shirt after the boy refused to cooperate during the pat down. The father was not asked by the TSA to remove the shirt - he did so because he became angry at his son. So, the TSA did not strip search the boy.

I wonder what you people see? What did you see that "enraged" you?

More absurdity from those trying to make something of nothing.

So? The boy did NOT set off the detector and was selected randomly even though he is clearly under 12.

Who said he was angry at his son??? Are you him? I can tell you if my child was chosen randomly to be patted, I certainly wouldn't be angry with him.

That's rather enraging.

 

[JLTraveling]

You got an enhanced pat-down because you set off the alarm. Seems like common sense to me.

Facts can be inaccurate, but can opinions?

Fair enough. Poor choice of wording. Her interpretation of the facts is inaccurate according to legal scholars, but I'll defend her right to interpret the facts that way. So I should have said, "her right to an inaccurate interpretation of the facts." Better?

 

[CathrynRose]

What the heck are you people seeing?

I'm seeing a 3/4 y/o being patted down. Which is against TSA's policy.

I'm seeing a 3/4 y/o being randomly picked, as he did not set off the detector.

I'm seeing a TSA Theatrical Production courtesy of the Government.

And I'm seeing 3 TSA agents, who in your words "slept through class" - yet are to be the ones who keep us so very safe, while flying.