TSA mess and the police

[DisneyBamaFan]

So? The boy did NOT set off the detector and was selected randomly even though he is clearly under 12.

Says the guy who wants to make this into a big deal. Sorry if I don't just accept his word for it when he uses this video as evidence that the TSa is doing strip searches.

Who said he was angry at his son??? Are you him? I can tell you if my child was chosen randomly to be patted, I certainly wouldn't be angry with him.

That's rather enraging.

The father became frustrated with his son when he refused to cooperate with the TSA agent. So the father pulled off the shirt, unasked. As a father, I am betting that he was upset with his son. I would not have pulled off my son's shirt in that situation without being asked, so the father was almost certainly upset. If he wasn't upset, why take off the shirt?

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I'm seeing a 3/4 y/o being patted down. Which is against TSA's policy...

Wrong - they still get pat downs, just not the enhanced variety.

link...

 

[kwelch10377]

You got an enhanced pat-down because you set off the alarm. Seems like common sense to me.

Facts can be inaccurate, but can opinions?

As I stated I had no problem with getting the pat down if needed. What I had issue with was that they wouldn't let me take off what I thought was causing it to avoid the pat down and that I felt that the way they do the pat down is a little much. Not only was it more of a groping than a "pat down", but that they do it in front of everyone which I think it a little embarassing.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

As I stated I had no problem with getting the pat down if needed. What I had issue with was that they wouldn't let me take off what I thought was causing it to avoid the pat down and that I felt that the way they do the pat down is a little much...

I agree - that seems odd. Why waste everyone's time when you could have passed through again in seconds?

 

[CathrynRose]

Wrong - they still get pat downs, just not the enhanced variety.

link...

Oh! Even better. I was not aware.

So, this lil' guy - who did not set off the detector - was just randomly chosen.

I *do* feel safe now.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Oh! Even better. I was not aware.

So, this lil' guy - who did not set off the detector - was just randomly chosen.

I *do* feel safe now.

Who knows why he was chosen? You have made up your mind that the TSA is evil or something. You see evidence that nothing untoward happened in this case, but you still look for something to criticize.

 

[olwyngdh]

Oh! Even better. I was not aware.

So, this lil' guy - who did not set off the detector - was just randomly chosen.

I *do* feel safe now.

And the article about the decision and the video of the child are both dated the 17th. The random choice of the child very well could have happened before the decision to modify policy was announced.

My Mom taught me a lot of things, but among the best were take everything with a grain of salt, and do the research.

 

[CathrynRose]

And the article about the decision and the video of the child are both dated the 17th. The random choice of the child very well could have happened before the decision to modify policy was announced.

My Mom taught me a lot of things, but among the best were take everything with a grain of salt, and do the research.

Perhaps you should listen to your mother, then.

The video was taken on the 19th:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4

Per Video Description:

******* THIS VIDEO OCCURRED AT SALT LAKE CITY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT ON NOVEMBER 19TH AT AROUND THE TIME OF 12:00 PM **********

And if the announcement "no one under 12" was made on the 17th, again - this is 2010 and we're talking national security. I'd *hope* the word would get out to the agents, no? What's the point, if it doesn't?

BUT - doesn't matter. Apparently enhanced pat downs are the only thing they cannot do to children under 12. Regular random (which this one, was random) pat down's are a-okay.

 

[DMRick]

Could you please take a picture in the customs area (which is what I posted), and then come back and tell me what happened? Preferable right below the signs that say turn off all cameras and cell phones. I've been there when others have decided it didn't mean them.

Courts have determined that it is legal to photograph and record in public places and specifically airports.

 

[olwyngdh]

The video was taken on the 19th:

:

Ok, I definitely need new glasses. I went back and forth between those two pages multiple times, and thought they both had the same date. [blush]

 

[Shutterbug]

on a humorousness note, any else see the TSA spoof on SNL?

It was hilarious!

 

[LuvOrlando]

I mentioned it yesterday but no-one else picked up on it. I thought it was hilarious too.

 

[LuvOrlando]

If these stories weren't out there for me to see with my own eyes I would never have believed that this footage is not only in the US but happens with a nod from our own government. If it wasn't ok then these agents would be fired and in trouble but they are not, so I can only assume it's ok... actions speak louder than words and I don't see any action at all. Mostly, I can't believe that fear of terrorism has not only caused our government to enact provisions that are so disturbing but that we are turning on ourselves because of it.

How on earth did we get here?

I feel like Rip Van Winkle, the more I read the less I recognize who we now are.

 

[kwelch10377]

on a humorousness note, any else see the TSA spoof on SNL?

It was hilarious!

I watched it yesterday, it is hilarious!

 

[FlightlessDuck]

How on earth did we get here?

A little bit at a time.

3oz liquid bottles.

Take off your shoes.

"old school" patdowns.

Full body scans.

"enhanced" patdowns.

 

[mefordis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9HNEtrvEE&feature=player_embedded

 

[JLTraveling]

A little bit at a time.

3oz liquid bottles.

Take off your shoes.

"old school" patdowns.

Full body scans.

"enhanced" patdowns.

As someone correctly pointed out upthread, it all dates back to the Patriot Act. We let the government get away with stripping our rights in the name of "security," and with each precedent that is set, it becomes that much harder to stop the next intrusion from occurring. Did you see my Nazi Germany post upthread? It was summarily dismissed by another poster as hyperbole, but it truly frightens me how eerie the similarities are, and how quickly we're moving in that direction.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

...Did you see my Nazi Germany post upthread? It was summarily dismissed by another poster as hyperbole, but it truly frightens me how eerie the similarities are, and how quickly we're moving in that direction.

I know of a few sites that automatically suspend posting privileges just for invoking Godwin's Law. Hyperbole? Nope. Comparing America to Nazi Germany is something that would cost me points for saying...

 

[JLTraveling]

I know of a few sites that automatically suspend posting privileges just for invoking Godwin's Law. Hyperbole? Nope. Comparing America to Nazi Germany is something that would cost me points for saying...

Clearly you either missed or deliberately skipped my post upthread detailing the known abuses of Godwin's Law. Let me refresh your memory.

From Wikipedia:

However, Godwin's law itself can be abused, as a distraction, diversion or even censorship, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons.[8] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by Glenn Greenwald.[9]

If you'd care to read the post in question, it delineates specific comparisons between the Patriot Act and the Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State. It also delineates specific comparisons between the initiating incidents that led to the enactment of said Act/Order -- both were incited by specific acts of terrorism and both were enacted "for national security." Both were supported by the citizenry in the name of safety for their families, and both led to increasing removal of civil liberties.

Now, you are welcome to agree or disagree with my assessment of the similarities. You are not, however, welcome to invoke "Godwin's Law" to try to shut me down. Argue the relevant points or move on.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

..Now, you are welcome to agree or disagree with my assessment of the similarities. You are not, however, welcome to invoke "Godwin's Law" to try to shut me down...

Sure I am. Let me show you:

I invoke Godwin's Law!

See - simple.