travel soccer (U8/U9)

Things have changed since then.

Last year, when DS's college coach wanted to learn more about him, he didn't reach out to his high school coach, he reached out to his travel coach (himself a college coach).

You can find people to argue on either side of the issue, and that's because there's quite a bit of friction among people in the sports (for a lot of reasons) who see things firmly either one way or the other. Really, there are pros and cons to each.

But what it boils down to is what's best for your own kid, and what type of player he or she is, and wants to be. More serious players will often go onto a travel team for reasons that Sam stated - they want a better experience with better competition and better coaching. Not all travel teams will be "better", which is why you need to explore and choose carefully. But if you do choose well, and find a team/organization/league that's very good, than it absolutely can be a better experience.

To say that ALL travel sports are awful is just silly.
I think you have to consider all experiences.
There was a lot of change in baseball in my area about the time my son hit Junior Division (13-14) in Little League. Some thought LL wasn't competitive so they went to Legion, Pony, or Cal Ripkin and one group from our league formed a USSSA travel team. The "buy in" was $7,500 per player, and while my son was offered a slot, he declined. Worked well for them because that team won the USSSA World Series. But by the time they were done for the season, the travel/food/motels added another $2,500 to the cost. :scared:
Our LL did nothing, but a neighboring league went the other way, really stressing recreational play, not competitive play. I was shocked,a few parents actually MOVED over the off season to get out of that league.
I really thing all too often the KIDS get forgotten in this. Like I posted, I have seen too many parents push their kids so the kids are burned out before they hit high school. And I sat through many youth sports medical clinics put on by Kaiser Permanente here. Their issue is with growing bodies, and they advocate kids take at least 3 months a year off from any sport to avoid injury.
 
One thing to watch during the rec season... is the (or one of the) "stars" of the team? If so, going to travel may be a good move (again, tougher competition). Find out ahead of time when tryouts are. Around here, select soccer runs basically during the school year (August - May). Tryouts for the new fall teams are actually at the end of the previous season (so May/June for team competition in August). Some teams around here say you have to commit (put money down) within 24 hours of being named to a team, others you can let them know a couple weeks before the season starts. It all depends on the number of kids wanting to be on the team.

I only say that to let you know you may need to make a decision before you thought you would.

Thanks for the heads up on that -and you're right! I just looked it up and tryouts are in May for the fall season. I definitely was assuming they'd be in late summer.
 
we did AYSO, first couple years were fun, then it got not so fun, but the last couple years all the star players moved on to club teams and it was fun again. What I heard is it is hard to make a high school team if you are not on a club team. High school sports are fun, but beyond high school, if you do not have god given incredible athletic talent, no amount of coaching will help
 
we did AYSO, first couple years were fun, then it got not so fun, but the last couple years all the star players moved on to club teams and it was fun again. What I heard is it is hard to make a high school team if you are not on a club team. High school sports are fun, but beyond high school, if you do not have god given incredible athletic talent, no amount of coaching will help

That really depends on the high school. There are high schools in our area (including the recent mythical "National Champion" where not only is that true, the club the kid plays at plays a factor as well. My son's school, which has a good, somewhat competitive team, has boys on it ranging anywhere from the top level clubs to travel teams. There may even be a couple kids (on JV) who didn't play beyond rec soccer. But we're a small school, so soccer is a no cut sport.

The top Division I soccer schools barely even recruit from high school programs anymore. Most of the true talent forgoes their high school eligibility and goes to 'Academy' programs (often affiliated and funded by the MLS teams).
 

I think you have to consider all experiences.
There was a lot of change in baseball in my area about the time my son hit Junior Division (13-14) in Little League. Some thought LL wasn't competitive so they went to Legion, Pony, or Cal Ripkin and one group from our league formed a USSSA travel team. The "buy in" was $7,500 per player, and while my son was offered a slot, he declined. Worked well for them because that team won the USSSA World Series. But by the time they were done for the season, the travel/food/motels added another $2,500 to the cost. :scared:
Our LL did nothing, but a neighboring league went the other way, really stressing recreational play, not competitive play. I was shocked,a few parents actually MOVED over the off season to get out of that league.
I really thing all too often the KIDS get forgotten in this. Like I posted, I have seen too many parents push their kids so the kids are burned out before they hit high school. And I sat through many youth sports medical clinics put on by Kaiser Permanente here. Their issue is with growing bodies, and they advocate kids take at least 3 months a year off from any sport to avoid injury.
I have a baseball kid, too.

If you look at the history of youth/amateur baseball, the past century has seen many "new leagues" started, all wanting to "better" the experience in one way or another.

American Legion (1926)
Little League (1939)
Babe Ruth (1951)
Cal Ripken (1982)
AAU (1983)

They can't all be wrong, can they?

And people have always complained.

From a 1957 Sports Illustrated article:

“The two basic arguments which strike at the roots of Little League pop up year after year: it puts too much competitive pressure on the children; it brings out the monster in too many parents and adult leaders.”

:lmao:

Like with anything else, there are good teams, and there are bad teams; good experiences and bad experiences; good people running things and not-so-good people running things. Not all teams in every league are alike, and that includes all leagues, even the ones popular today. That's why every family has to do what's best for them and their player.

I know you live in CA. I live in MA. Baseball is different in warmer/drier climates than it is in colder/wetter ones. Here in the Northeast it is not possible to play baseball year round, so experiences may be different, even though it's the same sport. Where I live, a lot of local community-based baseball programs dried up. Literally. Fields weren't maintained properly for a long time, and what little money was available was filtered towards other sports. So programs for development were almost non-existent, even though there were still some well-meaning people around trying to hold things together. But even for them, after a while, it got disheartening. (DS had one very good coach who had put in so much of his own money, he finally threw his hands up in disgust and never coached again.)

So when you have a kid who loves baseball, shows natural talent, and really wants to play, options for development may be slim. Enter the private leagues. So many people felt the same way, they banded together to start their own teams and join better leagues. Instead of uniforms held together with safety pins, there were new uniforms. Instead of playing on old, decrepid fields, fields were rented from places who had invested in good ones. There was also a big focus on development - in some ways, more than on games themselves. So sure, it doesn't cost much to play rec ball, but what do you get for that cost? As opposed to private teams, where, yes, you pay a fee, but what you get in return is a lot, including lots of development as well as games on safe fields. So people became very much invested in these teams, and it was nice, for a change.

I think when we hear and read stories of "travel teams", people have visions of "crazy sports parents" and kids being dragged around game to game with blank stares and little investment themselves in playing. That was not our experience at all. DS was there by choice. Every year we asked him if he still wanted to play, and every year he would look at us as if we were crazy for even asking. He wanted to play! And believe me, we never paid anything even remotely close to the figures you mention; not even a fraction, really. We did travel and stay in hotels and such, but for us, it was a lot of fun as a family. We visited a lot of great places in our baseball travels: Niagara Falls, Cooperstown, Gettysburg, Hershey Park, Philadelphia, the Jersey Shore, Long Island NY, to name a few, all places we likely would not have visited otherwise; plus all of New England. Now that those days are behind us, I really cherish the time we had on those trips. We also hear that people hop from team to team trying to find whatever it is they're trying to find. My DS was on just one team (from 11U-18U). It was like a family, and the relationships he made will no doubt be for life. I honestly don't think he'd be playing in college today if he hadn't joined a private league. In fact, I know a lot of kids playing in college and just about all of them played on travel teams. So that's why I say, things have changed since your kids were involved. Heck, things have changed even since my kid was involved - I see the trend for younger and younger now. (And I'll save my thoughts on that for a different post, since this is getting lengthy. :p )
 
I think as with everything, you have to take different sports at face value, different areas of the country, and the fact that it's a different time now, and keep in mind that EVERYONE'S experience is different. My son is a soccer 'lifer' Started playing town rec at 5, started playing town travel at 8 (never more than 40 minutes away, and in hindsight, I probably would have waited until he was 10). He started playing for his club's academy at 10, and playing premier with his club at 13. He started playing for his HS in 8th grade, we live in a VERY small town, they need to include the 8th graders in order to have enough players for both JV and Varsity. He's currently 19 and is an NCAA D3 soccer player, and still plays for his club over the summer in an Under 23 league.

Our experience has been overall very positive. No burn out, no major injuries (1 concussion and 1 bout of knee tendonitis)

His current college coach spoke with his last 2 club coaches while he was in the recruiting process, but never once spoke to his HS coach until DS was already accepted to the school, and committed to play.

To circle back to the OPs question, if this is something your child wants, and the travel is not too extensive at this age, it's probably a good idea. I was also our town's registrar, and I know we always did our tryouts for the spring travel season in the late summer. Fall travel was always much more low key, and more like 'rec travel' and the coaches put teams together themselves, and it was much more relaxed for the kids.

Good Luck! As we are looking at the final 2-3 years of DS's competitive soccer, we will definitely miss it. He is fortunately only about 90 minutes away from us, so we're still able to see quite a few of his games.
 





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