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Wow - there is a daunting amount of info to wade through here - and we are trying our best. We plan to travel to Disney for a week in Nov of 2014.
Our budget places us in the lower half of the resorts - more likely the value range. We are trying to figure if staying on property and going with the basic meal package is worth it versus staying off property. Seems either way we will be riding a bus to the park. Seems you can also get some deals on Disney properties without having to do the meal package - that may be as competitive as staying off property. I think we have just resigned ourselves to the fact of either calling Disney direct and work up a deal or is perhaps Deals Unlimited a better avenue to explore. We have not been to Disney and want to make sure we don't screw it up. Our children are both 10yrs old. Any rookie suggestions?

Thank You !
 
I'm slightly confused by your statement about the meal plan and packages. Disney offers multiple discounts during the year and one is a free dining package. You pay rack rate for the room but get the dining add-on. Historically early Nov is part of that discount but it ends before thanksgiving. That discount is usually not release until March or June.

The other discount Disney offers is % off the room. Depending on the time and resort you stay this is usually the better option. You have to stay onsite to get the dinning package but The dining plan doesn't have to be purchased when you buy a Disney package. Unless you plan To eat at the most expensive restaurants and Quick services it's usually not worth the cost. For me the dinning plan isn't worth it to add-on if it's not the discount used. The websites mentioned is a great place to start. And take a breath. It's a lot of info but knowledge is power at Disney. Lol
 

:welcome:welcome to the Dis!

Depending on your dates, there may be a special offer for a room only discount at some resorts. You would find this under the special offer section of the WDW website. I don't know if free dining is ever offered then. You can check on Mousesavers.com - they have a historical record of what times of year certain discounts are offered, when the offers came out, and the effective dates for them.

Different levels of resorts see different discounts and usually not all resorts are eligible.

An onsite stay, especially with a decent discount can save you money over offsite , especially if you fly, since you don't have to rent a car (WDW resort guests can use Magical Express to and from the airport). You also don't pay for parking at the resorts or parks, and there are none of those pesky mandatory "resort fees".

Using a dining plan is something you have to figure out for your particular family. Some, especially if they do a lot of character meals, save money. Others, like DH and I, find that we save more money by just paying out of pocket for our food.

Many first timers feel more secure by using a travel agent to help them navigate through all of the various options available to them. If you go that route I would strongly recommend that you seek out an agency that specializes in Disney vacations. Others prefer to do their own research and make their own reservations directly with Disney.

The various forums on this site (especially the resorts and restaurants forums) can help you with more specific questions.
 
Our first 3 trips to Disney, back in the 80's, were off site. Only MK was completed for our first trip. Epcot was still being built. Then we stayed on site one time and decided it was the only way to go. We generally stay at a Moderate. I vowed years ago that we'd stay at one of the high end resorts "some day" and we never did. I just couldn't bring myself to spend the extra money.
And we've never done much in the way of dining reservations and that goes back years. Once we couldn't "walk in" to one of the simpler table service places, we decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Have never had the dining plan and never missed it. From what I've seen and heard, it's a LOT of food and more than we'd eat in a day's time. You may feel differently.
I would scrimp (if necessary) on something else so that I could stay on site, but then we've never stayed at a Value resort so I can't comment on them.
When we lived in FL we always managed to find a discount either for FL resident or AP holder. There are always specials of some sort except the blackout periods over very busy times/holidays.
Enjoy your trip.
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Thank You for all of the responses. I can see everybody prefers to stay on site and I can see the advantages. So pricing a trip without the meal package might be a savings - but if you are staying at Disney I assume you are not going off site to eat then correct? Are reservations required / necessary lets say for breakfast and dinner? We (especially with twin 10 yr olds) are not doing fancy - something nice but not 3 course types of meals. Perhaps we would do 1 charachter meal - like breakfast - but the rest of the meals would be of easier variety.
 
I'd check first for free dining offers. The middle two weeks of November show availability at Pop Century resort. The dining plan is Quick Service - fast food type restaurants. You can get this and then pay out of pocket for a few select sit-down restaurants if you want. You can also upgrade to the regular dining plan if you want. Keep in mind though that regular dining plan does NOT include tips. Given the cost of Disney meals this will cost you $20-30 or more for a standard 18% tip! Also Disney fast food (aka counter service) is not all burgers and fries. You can get knife and fork food too!

For a first trip I suggest:

  1. Decide on how long your trip will be (5 days minimum if possible)

  2. Determine a range of dates that fit your schedule

  3. Pick (and reserve) your resort (stay on site!) - have an option 1, option 2, etc. when you call in case the special offer is not available at your first choice. Get a preferred room if you can swing it. Being close to everything is nice unless you need super quiet.

  4. Review all the attractions in the different parks to see what excites you. Order the free DVD from the Disney web site.

  5. Determine which parks you want to go to on which day (review the best days suggestions at easywdw.com)

  6. At the 180 mark (or as soon as you know) make any reservations (ADR's) at the table service restaurants you want to eat at.

  7. Decide which attractions to get Fast Passes for for each day.

  8. Come up with a basic plan so you see what is most important to you. Start with the things that are scheduled such as FP's and ADR's, then add in limited availability things like parades and shows. Use Josh's cheat sheets on Easywdw.com for a good starting point on what order to do things. Don't forget to "schedule" in free time for rest, swimming and breathing room in case things don't go as planned or you see something else that looks fun.

  9. Make your FP+s at the 60 day mark

  10. Enjoy your well planned (but not over planned) Disney vacation!
 
For our first trip, we went with a trusted Disney travel agent. They did not steer us wrong. We also stayed onsite, and I think it was the right decision. It just made that first trip easier.

If you're staying onsite and don't have a car, you will most likely be eating all meals on property. (You could take a cab somewhere if need be.) There are 2 types of restaurants at Disney: table service and quick service. For table service, I would book reservations (ADRs). You may be able to "walk-up", but in many places it's unlikely, and who needs the uncertainty? For Quick Service, it's like fast food. No reservations needed.

Offsite for us means WAY more space for WAY less money. The trade off is that we drive to the parks, and lose out on some amazing Disney theming. FYI - I would never stay offsite and trust any so-called shuttle system to get me to the parks. I take issue with the way the Disney buses run from time to time, and they're about 1000% better than any offsite transportation. Regarding off vs. on, I wouldn't trade any of my trips, and I've done both.

We're also going in November 2014. Happy to answer any questions you may have. Good luck!
 
Thank You for all of the responses. I can see everybody prefers to stay on site and I can see the advantages. So pricing a trip without the meal package might be a savings - but if you are staying at Disney I assume you are not going off site to eat then correct? Are reservations required / necessary lets say for breakfast and dinner? We (especially with twin 10 yr olds) are not doing fancy - something nice but not 3 course types of meals. Perhaps we would do 1 charachter meal - like breakfast - but the rest of the meals would be of easier variety.

It is strongly recommended to make reservations for any table service meals you want to do. Your kids are both 10, so that makes them an 'adult' for dining plan purposes. You do not have to use a Disney dining plan to eat on property, which you probably know.
 
There isn't a ton of availability at the values in November. I did find Movies, from 11/15-11/22, for about $2248, no dining plan, and $3424, same resort, same time, but with Quick Service dining plan....(2 counter type meals, 1 snack and a refillable mug, pp each day). That includes park tickets for 8 days, no hopping. That kind of dining doesn't require prior reservations...ADRs. But, if you want to eat at table service restaurants, you are going to have to make those ADRs...advanced dining reservations.

What should you do? Well...I always say stay on-site, especially for your first visit. Yes, you'll be taking buses to all parks, but that's just not a huge deal. The bus system is very efficient. If you stay off-site, you're going to have to rent a car...that can be a pain as well...depends on how comfortable you are driving in new areas. And, you have to pay to park each day. If you're thinking about a shuttle bus from wherever you decide to stay, off-site, be aware that a lot of them don't run nearly as often, or as early/late, as you would like.

10 y/o is a terrific time to go...and a value resort would be a great fit. That would be my choice. Now, I don't usually recommend the dining plan. If you plan on eating only at counter service places and the food court, I would plan on about $100 a day..that would be about $800. But, if you want those refillable mugs, that will be another $72 for the four of you....so now you're up to close to $900...just say $1000...the ddp is only about $200 more. So, it's up to you to decide what to do.

As for how you should book? I would make a decision fairly quickly. I seldom see a huge need for a TA...you can do all that needs to be done yourself, right online. TAs are terrific if you don't have the ability to be on-line when you need to be. When I was working full-time and needed to book with a huge discount that was supposed to come out, I went with DU so they could watch for that discount. Otherwise, I do it all myself. Hang out on these boards...ask all your questions. We love answering questions and helping people make their plans. Yes, it seems overwhelming, but once you start looking around, you'll see it's not confusing at all!
 
You need at good travel agent, based on what you have said so far. The internet and the dis are great resources but sometimes not accurate and there is ALOT of information and everyone has an opinion, some may not be what would work for your trip. You can spend days researching it yourself or let someone do that work for you.
 
You need at good travel agent, based on what you have said so far. The internet and the dis are great resources but sometimes not accurate and there is ALOT of information and everyone has an opinion, some may not be what would work for your trip. You can spend days researching it yourself or let someone do that work for you.

However, you have to find a TA that is well versed in Disney! I've had TAs that had no idea what to do...cost me some valuable experiences on my first trip to WDW.
I truly think that if someone gets a good guidebook, reads it and then heads to the DIS to get answers to specific questions, it's very doable on your own. In the case of bad info, at least here, there are many people that will come along and offer up the correct info, after making that correction.
 
However, you have to find a TA that is well versed in Disney! I've had TAs that had no idea what to do...cost me some valuable experiences on my first trip to WDW.
I truly think that if someone gets a good guidebook, reads it and then heads to the DIS to get answers to specific questions, it's very doable on your own. In the case of bad info, at least here, there are many people that will come along and offer up the correct info, after making that correction.

oh definitely. I look at it as interviewing someone in another professional consulting position. I'm not going to let anyone start clanking away on my PC to fix it if I don't know their qualifications, I'm not going to see a new doctor if I don't know anything about him. I would just take any TA I dug up on the internet (or walked into their store) I'd ask them some qualifying questions first.

Did you know some 'agencies' let people be "Disney specialist" TA's without ever even being on a trip?
 
A TA I used last year and were very happy with was Small World Vacations, they book through Disney for you (at least the Disneyland trip) but, I got the same price and if any special offers come up between booking and travelling they will get you that too.
I would definitely stay on site, value resorts are great, are they doing the free breakfasts when you book a WDW hotel and park tickets over there? In the meantime check out the sits another poster listed above, they are very helpful.
 
If I understand your questions right, and this is your 1st trip, I would use a TA to help. The TA price will be the same as going straight with Disney but you have someone to help you with everything and they will help keep a look out for any deals or discounts that Disney may release that you might not hear about other wise.

Please note I am not a TA and I am unsure if I will use a TA going forward with my Disney vacations. pirate:
 
A TA I used last year and were very happy with was Small World Vacations, they book through Disney for you (at least the Disneyland trip) but, I got the same price and if any special offers come up between booking and travelling they will get you that too.
I would definitely stay on site, value resorts are great, are they doing the free breakfasts when you book a WDW hotel and park tickets over there? In the meantime check out the sits another poster listed above, they are very helpful.

I used Small World too. I let them know what our needs and budget were. It was good to have a "professional" opinion on what we should choose. I absolutely loved our first trip. All these years later, I think we chose well.

I book everything on my own now, but for that first trip, it was a load off my mind to have someone else book it and keep checking for discounts.
 
It does seem like there's a lot of info to sift through, BUT it is not undoable - esp if you enjoy reading about things. Really, the biggest things you have to decide are: where to stay, dining plan or not, dining reservations for any of the sit-down restaurants (and most of these you can take your time deciding over the next few months), and 3 rides you want to reserve each day called FP+ (these you don't have to pick until 60 days ahead of time -- and keep in mind that you can keep changing them up any time you want).

Highly HIGHLY recommend staying on site. Nothing beats the convenience and magical feeling of staying on site. Esp for your first time visiting.

We love the value resorts - all of them. Check them out online and see if you think they'll work for your family. Although you will spend time at your resort, most likely you will spend little time in the room itself.

What I've done in the past to decide if I wanted the dining plan or not was to go through 1 day in my mind and pick out what I wanted to eat for each meal and snack and add up the cost, multiply over the number of days, etc and compare with what it costs to add on the dining plan. allears.net has menus for all the restaurants and snack places, so you could do that easily. Depending on how your family likes to eat, you may or may not save $ with it. Keep in mind that you can bring meals and snacks in to the parks with you.

You are correct-- if you are staying at Disney, then all your eating will be at Disney (whether in the parks, at your hotel, or at Downtown Disney). And actually, even if you stayed off site, you would most likely do all or most of your eating at Disney also unless you cut your park days short and left to go eat out by your hotel. Another highly HIGHLY recommend for staying on site-- keeping all of your activities on site is very convenient!

If you want to eat at Be Our Guest or some of the other most popular TS ("table service" or sit-down inside) restaurants, you would need to make those reservations right away -- snap up whatever you think would work best. But most places you'd be able to take your time over the next few weeks and months deciding about. For everywhere else to eat (QS, or "quick service" which are counter-service places, some have inside seating and some have outside seating; plus there are plenty of snack stands also), you can just decide on the go-- see what's nearby when you get hungry. :)

Don't let the numerous threads on FP+ ("Fast Pass Plus," or ride reservations) scare you away-- it basically boils down to being able to guarantee yourself a little to no wait time for 3 rides per day by picking them ahead of time. And if your trip is in November, you won't be able to do this until 60 days ahead (whatever date in September is 60 days ahead of your check-in day), so plenty of time to figure that out. When you do get to that step, I highly recommend easywdw.com for making those kinds of decisions and seeing what crowd levels are on any given day. But also- especially if you wind up going during a lower crowd time in November- you will be able to switch most of these around as many times as you want, and even when you are actually in the parks. For example, a few weeks ago we had run a little late arriving at Disney on our first day and I realized we weren't going to be able to make our FP+ times for that day. So as we were getting on the bus to go to the parks I pulled out my phone and switched them around for an hour later - it was quick and easy.

If you are the type that would rather let someone else set up these kinds of things for you, then go ahead and use a TA for your first trip. But if you are the type that likes to do a little investigating of your own and be in control of all of it along the way, don't be scared off-- there are not many things you "need" to do past the initial hotel reservation, and there is plenty of time for you to look into as many details as you want between now and your trip.

On the DIS there are a lot of people that are uber-planners and make spreadsheets of what to do every minute of every day on vacation, but there are also plenty of people who relax into their vacation with little to no ahead of time planning. I find that how much fun people have seems highly dependent on what kind of attitude you go on vacation with -- and I think if you are determined to have fun soaking up the magic, then nothing will get in your way of that. pixiedust:

Good luck & have a magical time! :wizard:
 


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