Toy Story Land FP Tier predictions

[TowMater92]

Imagine if we didn't have FP+ and didn't have to worry about tiers.

I wish fp+ has made it so you have to plan everyday and where you'll be I don't want to have to plan everyday months before my trip

 

[Ds4angels]

Glad to see someone else is thinking about this already. Going next August and I was wondering what the tiers would be

 

[ghtx]

Imagine if we didn't have FP+ and didn't have to worry about tiers.

Instead we would have to worry about waiting hours and hours in queues!

 

[mesaboy2]

Imagine if we didn't have FP+ and didn't have to worry about tiers.

Instead we would have to worry about waiting hours and hours in queues!

There was a middle ground not that long ago.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Have you ridden it yet? Don't knock it till you ride it

Knock what? It's a kiddie ride...that's fine...

But stop defending the shield for doing more than they are.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Instead we would have to worry about waiting hours and hours in queues!

I never waited more than 40 minutes for a ride under FP-

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I never waited more than 40 minutes for a ride under FP-

This is an important point but is lost to many...the aggregate waits have increased under the online system...which is exactly the opposite as what was sold at the time.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I know...

"Drinking the sand"

Love, love, love, that quote and exchange!

This is an important point but is lost to many...the aggregate waits have increased under the online system...which is exactly the opposite as what was sold at the time.

I agree. Many wait times on non-FP rides have seen an increase. We are not rope drop people, so for us FP+ has given us the opportunity to ride things we wouldn't have been able to before. For the first years that TSM was running, before FP+, we didn't ride because we made a choice not to arrive early and not to wait 120+ mins standby. That was our choice, we didn't whine about it and no one else was responsible for it.


The tiers are no doubt annoying and with the limited selection I hope Disney spreads it out between kids rides and more adventurous experiences.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Love, love, love, that quote and exchange!



I agree. Many wait times on non-FP rides have seen an increase. We are not rope drop people, so for us FP+ has given us the opportunity to ride things we wouldn't have been able to before. For the first years that TSM was running, before FP+, we didn't ride because we made a choice not to arrive early and not to wait 120+ mins standby. That was our choice, we didn't whine about it and no one else was responsible for it.


The tiers are no doubt annoying and with the limited selection I hope Disney spreads it out between kids rides and more adventurous experiences.

I respect your honesty and your post. One important thing to note is that you "made the choice" not to arrive early or to wait in long lines. With the new system, some people don't even have the choice because as many have been complaining about, they can't even get a FP+ for FOP at 60 days. That's not right.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I respect your honesty and your post. One important thing to note is that you "made the choice" not to arrive early or to wait in long lines. With the new system, some people don't even have the choice because as many have been complaining about, they can't even get a FP+ for FOP at 60 days. That's not right.

True, and I am worried too when it comes time to make my FP for Flight of Passage. But, Disney doesn't say that you have the right to ride every ride without a wait. If you can't get a FP+ for Flight of Passage, you can show up at rope drop and ride standby just like the old days. There is still that choice as far as I can see. New rides + limited headliner attractions will lead to some guests being disappointed IMO.

I see your point, but I just don't know of a way around it. Universal had big lines for Harry Potter, and the Great Adventure parks by me routinely have 3 hour lines for the big coasters.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

True, and I am worried too when it comes time to make my FP for Flight of Passage. But, Disney doesn't say that you have the right to ride every ride without a wait. If you can't get a FP+ for Flight of Passage, you can show up at rope drop and ride standby just like the old days. There is still that choice as far as I can see. New rides + limited headliner attractions will lead to some guests being disappointed IMO.

Under the old system, everyone was on an even playing field. Each day was a new chance and everyone had equal opportunity. Under the current system, that clearly isn't the case if people can't even get a FP+ at 60 days.

I see your point, but I just don't know of a way around it. Universal had big lines for Harry Potter, and the Great Adventure parks by me routinely have 3 hour lines for the big coasters.

The way around it is to start staggering FP+ release points. You release some at 60, some at 55, some at 50, some at 45, etc. Whatever Disney is doing right now isn't working.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

Under the old system, everyone was on an even playing field. Each day was a new chance and everyone had equal opportunity. Under the current system, that clearly isn't the case if people can't even get a FP+ at 60 days. .

I hear what you are saying, but I would respectfully disagree. With the old system the only people that had a shot at FP for the headliner rides were the folks that chose to show up at rope drop. If you arrived too late for a FP, you could still ride the ride, you just had to wait. Now onsite guests get the first shot at FP @ 60 days. Some FP won't be available to guests that chose not to stay on site, but they can still choose to wait.

The way around it is to start staggering FP+ release points. You release some at 60, some at 55, some at 50, some at 45, etc. Whatever Disney is doing right now isn't working.

Maybe, not sure how staggering like you are pointing out would help. I think some allowances for the AP/FL folks that aren't staying on site but are still loyal visitors would make sense.

If there will be additional tiering, I would like to see it be a combination of rides that will attract different groups of people.

 

[mesaboy2]

I hear what you are saying, but I would respectfully disagree. With the old system the only people that had a shot at FP for the headliner rides were the folks that chose to show up at rope drop. If you arrived too late for a FP, you could still ride the ride, you just had to wait. Now onsite guests get the first shot at FP @ 60 days. Some FP won't be available to guests that chose not to stay on site, but they can still choose to wait.

Even the most popular FP back in the day hung around for at least 60-90 minutes, and you did not need to be there right at park open to get them. Also, the concept of first-come first-serve is simple, universal, and fair.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

I hear what you are saying, but I would respectfully disagree. With the old system the only people that had a shot at FP for the headliner rides were the folks that chose to show up at rope drop. If you arrived too late for a FP, you could still ride the ride, you just had to wait. Now onsite guests get the first shot at FP @ 60 days. Some FP won't be available to guests that chose not to stay on site, but they can still choose to wait.

Disagree. Under the old system, even if you showed up at noon, you would have gotten a FP for even the hardest rides to get like TSM. The only exception would be during the very, very busiest times of the year. You say "now onsite guests get the first shot at FP @ 60 days." What shot are they getting though when those very same people have been starting thread after thread lately about not being able to get a FOP FP+ at 60 days?

 

[Bullseye]

Interested to see if either RNR or TSM get moved to 2nd tier.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Interested to see if either RNR or TSM get moved to 2nd tier.

TSM is never going to be 2nd tier because of popularity and slow load times. RNR could.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

Even the most popular FP back in the day hung around for at least 60-90 minutes, and you did not need to be there right at park open to get them. Also, the concept of first-come first-serve is simple, universal, and fair.

My experience going during very busy times, the FP were gone within an hour of opening. I don't disagree that the concept of first come first serve is fair, I am simply saying that we played by the rules when Disney had it set that way and didn't ride the new or headliner rides with FP because we didn't get to the parks early enough. We could have ridden them anyway, but didn't choose to wait standby. No one said we couldn't get in line.

Disagree. Under the old system, even if you showed up at noon, you would have gotten a FP for even the hardest rides to get like TSM. The only exception would be during the very, very busiest times of the year. You say "now onsite guests get the first shot at FP @ 60 days." What shot are they getting though when those very same people have been starting thread after thread lately about not being able to get a FOP FP+ at 60 days?

Nope, that is simply not the case. You were not guaranteed to get a FP for the headliners. As far as the system the way it is now, guests with longer stays have a better shot at getting a FP @60 days for days later in their trip. Maybe that is something that could be looked at. FoP seems to be the only ride that people are having an issue with. That speaks more about the lack of new major headliners, or the excellence of the ride, maybe both.

 

[robl45]

I'm curious how they care going to handle this three FP+ a day when they finally add all the new rides to DHS. I'm dreading going back frankly after starwars and toystory are in place. There may only be 4 rides at DHS now but they are long wait rides. Now add two toy story rides with 2 hour plus waits (people are kidding themselves if they think they won't have long waits) and add another two star wars lines with god knows how long waits and its going to be insane. Magic kingdom has enough rides that its somewhat doable to get fast passes for the three big rides, the other parks it doesn't work out so well. With 3-4 big rides at epcot and one fast pass for the big rides, it's a pain but still doable, much more than that and its just not really enjoyable. None of these rides are really worth over an hour in line.

 

[EEEEE]

I'm curious how they care going to handle this three FP+ a day when they finally add all the new rides to DHS. I'm dreading going back frankly after starwars and toystory are in place. There may only be 4 rides at DHS now but they are long wait rides. Now add two toy story rides with 2 hour plus waits (people are kidding themselves if they think they won't have long waits) and add another two star wars lines with god knows how long waits and its going to be insane. Magic kingdom has enough rides that its somewhat doable to get fast passes for the three big rides, the other parks it doesn't work out so well. With 3-4 big rides at epcot and one fast pass for the big rides, it's a pain but still doable, much more than that and its just not really enjoyable. None of these rides are really worth over an hour in line.

It will probably play out similar to what has happened at AK with the Pandora rides. The wait times for those rides are really long, but the wait times for the existing rides have become very reasonable. I was there last week and was able to ride Everest multiple times with a very small wait time. Hopefully the same will happen at HS when the new rides open. Those rides will have long wait times and you will need to get right online at 7 am 60 days out to get a guaranteed FP, but the wait times and the FP availability for RNR, TSM and ToT will be better.

 

[ucfknight]

TSM is never going to be 2nd tier because of popularity and slow load times. RNR could.

Times have changed. Now that Toy Story Mania has 3 tracks the FP+ are way easier to get (I can get one right now for this upcoming weekend with my choice of times every half hour from 2 til park close) and the wait times have really come down. Rock 'n' Roller Coaster typically has standby wait times 50-100% higher than TSM these days.

The only reason TSM would "never" be moved from Tier 1 ("never" really meaning "for now") is because they like to have at least one ride in Tier 1 with no height restriction. That's why over at Epcot when Maelstrom was going down to be turned into Frozen Ever After, they moved Living with the Land up to tier 1 because all of the other tier 1 rides had height restrictions. When Frozen opened, they kicked Living with the Land back to tier 2 where it belonged. Obviously TSM is way more popular than Living with the Land, but the only thing really holding it in tier 1 for sure (at least until more rides come online) is that it has no height restrictions.