TourGuideMike...Which days at which parks & EMH ??

[NCombs]

Why would you pay for information that you can get on the DIS or Mousesavers for free?

I guess it's compiled and presented more concisely by TGM, but if you have the time to peruse other sites for the same info, I see no point in wasting the cash. JMO.

For the same reason you buy a guide book. But, you have to believe in doing that too in order to understand why you would pay for this subscription. To many people it is not wasting cash, it's money well spent. It's like any kind of purchase, what someone considers a great buy, another person would consider a complete waste of money.

 

[Pedler]

Also getting back to the OP's question.

Despite the many post saying that the same information is everywhere and the same advice is out there for free it just isn't the case. Setting aside the tips and such like getting there early there are conflicting views on how to handle things like EMH best days for parks ect. Even here at DIS you will find posts extolling the virtues of getting there early and other posts extolling the benefits of arriving late.

I wouldn't proxy my vacation descions to a discussion board like this. You will find almost no uniform of opinion except for WDW is good. Boards like this are good for asking a point blank question such as do they serve Dole Whips at Epcot and getting answer. Of course you will probably also get a few pages of how much people like dole whips with lots of animated icons but if you can wade through all of the nonsense posts you may get a answer.

What you should do is first assess what your vacation objectives are and then look at the qualifications of the source of information and what thier views on what makes a good WDW vacation and what thier level of expertise is and then decide what advice you are going to go with.

For example if you want to go commando and don't want to have a true resort vacation experience then don't go with TGM's advice. There are many people out there who view WDW as a place to be conquered and they fully expect to be exhausted when they go home. If that works for them then that is great.

I would suggest you read some of the trip reports over at TGM to see if that is the type of vacation experience you want. If not then you should ask for your money back. If it is then take some extra time to get a handle on the site. It will be time well spent and while it may not seem like it at first you will spend less time there than navigating the endless posts over here.

Good luck with your trip.

 

[safetymom]

Could someone explain why TGM gets discussed so often on the DIS? Do you discuss the DIS on the TGM boards?

No looking to be flamed just asking some questions.

 

[Kenswing]

Could someone explain why TGM gets discussed so often on the DIS? Do you discuss the DIS on the TGM boards?

No looking to be flamed just asking some questions.

I can't say why TGM is such a hot topic . I am a subscriber to TGM. And the DIS is seldomly mentioned. One other point to mention though. Most of the people at TGM are also members on the DIS. For me, TGM was just another resource in my Disney planning arsenal. So it would seem that we're all DIS'ers with a subculture of those that like TGM and those that don't. So let's all get along and play nice.

Ken

 

[heatherbelle]

How about buying a good guide book. Us Brits use one called a brits guide to orlando. You can get it on amazon. I followed the advice in there. It worked for us. We went 29/05 and never waited more than 10mins in line. Unless of course you have a FP for space mountain it was a 30 mins que. Never again

 

[Pedler]

Could someone explain why TGM gets discussed so often on the DIS? Do you discuss the DIS on the TGM boards?

No looking to be flamed just asking some questions.

DIS doesn't hardly ever get mentioned on TGM. I think the reason for it over here is that you have fairly strong opinions about TGM on a few fronts:

1. How good or not good the design of the site is.
2. How usefull or not usefull the information is.
3. A general philosophical difference about charging for info and keeping reccomendations confidential.

Lastly you have very strong opinions about TGM which like anything here at DIS brings out strong discussions. Those that use TGM and like it have very strong opinions about TGM and those that have used it and don't like have strong opinions the other way. What really gets these conversations going is when folk without first hand info post negative comments about TGM. While people should feel free to post whatever they want some TGMer's feel the need to comment on the use of TGM based on actual experience as opposed to conjecture. And that gets the ball rolling and starts threads like these.

TGMer's do tend to be a bit zealous in thier views of TGM but I don't think they are any more so than UG readers. On the other hand TGM detractors are definitely more zealous than UG detractors. For whatever reason the idea of paying aprox. 20 dollars for a printed guide book is OK but paying for a on line guide resource just seems to bother people more. I don't quite get the difference but it does exist. I don't think you see anyone saying in nearly as strong of terms that you shouldn't buy the UG because everything you can read there is available on the Internet. It would be very interesting to see what would happen if a few folk started bashing UG on a regular basis for the same reasons that TGM gets bashed. I have a feeling that legions of DISers would speak out with an animated defence of UG. Just my opinion but I think that type of conversation would make the TGM threads look like nothing.

 

[madgomez]

Why would you pay for information that you can get on the DIS or Mousesavers for free?

I guess it's compiled and presented more concisely by TGM, but if you have the time to peruse other sites for the same info, I see no point in wasting the cash. JMO.

I subscribe to TGM and I don't pay for information that you can get on the DIS or Mousesavers for free. If TGM didn't offer something more, for me, then I would have asked for a refund.

 

[madgomez]

Could someone explain why TGM gets discussed so often on the DIS? Do you discuss the DIS on the TGM boards?

No looking to be flamed just asking some questions.

The DIS hardly ever gets mentioned on the TGM forums, and if it is, it's generally as a source of some info - like "here's a DIS thread on how to make mickey tie dye tee shirts" or, very rarely "I just saw this rumor on the DIS, has Mike heard anything?".

I think the TGM threads here turn into snowballs rolling down hill for two reasons.

First, when the TGM User Agreement is violated, it's usually pointed out by a TGMer, and that, for reasons rather unclear to me, seems to bother some folks who have no interest in TGM and are not parties to the User Agreement.

Second, when FACTUALLY inaccurate statements about TGM are posted, some TGMers try to correct them. For example, there are at least two "comments" or "opinions" in this thread that voice the sentiment "I won't use TGM because I don't want to be told when and where to go" or "because I don't like commando touring". Well, as a TGM subscriber, I can assure you that Mike does not tell you when and where to go - he provides a system and information so you learn how to plan an itinerary that you and your group will be happy with. And Mike definitely does not advocate commando type touring. Those posters are entitled to their opinions, even if based on erroneous information about the TGM philosophy and how the AVP works.

I think it does not matter what the subject, if some erroneous facts are posted on the DIS, more likely than not, someone will try to correct it. Again, why that becomes such a great debate with regard to TGM escapes me.

 

[Lewisc]

I missed this yesterday - gee, and the TGM folks were accused of being grumpy.......................

I'm not accusing YOU of being grumpy, JUST RUDE to myself and any other poster who doesn't agree with you.

 

[Kenswing]

I'm not accusing YOU of being grumpy, JUST RUDE to myself and any other poster who doesn't agree with you.

Oh, for goodness sakes, just let it go.....

 

[JohnNJ]

I'm done on this thread.

I guess not.

 

[momof2inPA]

I subscribe to TGM and I don't pay for information that you can get on the DIS or Mousesavers for free. If TGM didn't offer something more, for me, then I would have asked for a refund.

I'll just have to take your word for it.. and keep my money in my pocket.

Planning a Disney trip isn't rocket science, but hey, if you like TGM (or whatever planning aid) enough to pay for it, be my guest.

 

[NCombs]

I'll just have to take your word for it.. and keep my money in my pocket.

Planning a Disney trip isn't rocket science, but hey, if you like TGM (or whatever planning aid) enough to pay for it, be my guest.

That's rude don't you think? To imply that people who use planning guides are somehow less intelligent than others (...isn't rocket science).

 

[madgomez]

I'm not accusing YOU of being grumpy, JUST RUDE to myself and any other poster who doesn't agree with you.

Wow, both the Spiderman remark and this one were tongue in cheek - sorry if you don't like my sense of humour, but nothing I posted was rude, to you or anyone else. Now, as for who's being grumpy, I think you've amply demonstrated that ................

 

[Boardwalk Tigger]

Why don't we just talk about EMH's and not talk about where we get our info from! It can come from many sources but they need not be mentioned. This is a DIS Board to talk about things such as EMH's. People can talk about this and not get into the TourGuide Mike thing. If you like it subscribe , if not that's OK too.You are on DISboard so let's discuss it. If TGM people don't wantto add to the discussion for fear of giving out a perceived secret then don't post. Personally I'm neutral about TGM.

Let's talk EMH

 

[PIRATEGIRL007]

When will the EMH for december be released? I know in the past it has been certain parks usually on certain days, but I have no idea this year. I am espically interested in the evening EMH's.

To the OP I have done morning EMH's or whatever they were called before and it always seemed to boost the crowd level in that particular park when an EMH was happening. Espically for us at MK. We started avoiding EMH at all costs and giong to another park at opening when they were not having and EMH and the crowds seemed smaller. Then we hop over to the EMH park after 2 or 3 and it seems to work out better. The early morning crowd is cranky by then and alot leaving to take a break.

TMG or whatever it is, I have never heard of before this post, interesting...... to say the least.

 

[d4est]

Thanks for the advice, PIRATEGIRL007. That is all I was looking for...opinion on what other Disers do.

Apparently I opened a can of worms...

 

[d4est]

Well- thank you for clarifying that--your answer proves that you are and apparently remain "uninformed" on how to intelligently approach this problem--you could have gotten opinions on this without ever mentioning TGM at all in your post just ask instead -- how do people tour regarding EMH?-those that use TGM would be unlikely to tell you how here anyway-given their user agreement- then you could compare what others do against what you "know" about TGM's advice --in other words--there might be lots of people who tour exactly as TGM suggests without ever even knowing what TGM is--(some of the posts on here suggest that his advice is nothing new anyway) ---so those people's experience and advice would not get you any new info either-- -why would you post on a non TGM board about how people tour with or without TGM advice and never post on a TGM board where you are much more likely to find TGM experienced people to tell you what their experience was?....seems to me they could have told you what they have done before and after TGM-giving you a full spectrum of experience both with and without ----instead on this thread you have lots of answers from people who never used TGM and speculate about what the advice is and misrepresent it as well---and have you tried getting opinions on the TGM boards to see how it might differ??---no you have not even tried---that means you don't know--that you are ignorant of what might be said on those boards....if you are a subscriber why not take advantage of this additional source of info? DO you prefer being ignorant of additional information and points of view?

It is true that all are entitled to their opinions...TGM is not perfect-nothing can be perfect for everyone--that is not the point --I found TGM a challenging site to navigate--others do not, I thought the advice was worthwhile others do not---to each his own---my criticisms on threads like this is strictly BASED-on the apparent inability of these posters to ask their questions on TGM boards---it makes NO SENSE to ask these sorts of questions without at the very least ALSO posting on the TGM boards--no sense--that is not opinion. TELL ME how they would be disadvantaged by asking on the TGM boards? There is a sound way and a misguided way to gather information.

That these threads so far have ALWAYS-every time -been from someone who never even tried to get info from their subscribed source suggests that these posters are looking for more than just information--I don't mean to sound like one of those TGM "groupie" weirdos--- who defend TGM against attack---I would prefer fewer people know about it so long as he stays in business and keeps me updated with current info when I need him....but there are obviously people who have a an admitted "ting" against the guy and there may be others who are just not so open about it and this is their way of "getting back" at that mean TourGUide Mike--I don't know and I don't care what their reason is...their behaviour shows that they are at best "uninformed" about how to get the info they say they seek.

Well, I must appologize...I didn't know I was talking to the almighty himself. Boy, if you aren't high on yourself. Because you suggest a certain way of gathering info, doesn't make it the only "intellegent" approach.

I have been a member of the dis much longer than TGM. If I want to attempt to gather opinions here, I am not intellegent. I get it. People on the Dis are of no help. I should run over to TGM if I want any meaningful advice. Sheesh.

I didn't ask for opinions over there because I could easily assume that the majority of posters there do use his methods. What I wanted to know was what others were doing. Then I could compare and decide for myself what would work best for my family. To do that I did need to mention TGM.

My suggestion to you...climb off your horse. I didn't start this post to be bashed...to be called stupid or uninformed. I was looking for helpful advice.

If you have nothing helpful to contribute...

 

[Sorcerer Figment]

Oy! Guys, just let this thread go! The OP fixed everything, there is no need to resort to attacks. Live, laugh, & learn. Group hug! We now return to your regularly scheduled DISing.

 

[SnackyStacky]

This thread, as most - if not all threads pertaining to Tour Guide Mike, has outlived its usefulness.

As such it is closed.