Touchy Subject

[southpaw 1]

What exactly do you mean by public display? Do you mean people were demonstrating gross public displays of affection that are inappropriate for straight couples as well as gay couples to do in front of small children (or anyone else for that matter)? Or do you mean that the sight of 2 people, who happen to be the same sex, showing affection for eachother that would perfectly appropriate if they were of the opposite sex? I do not mean to sound harsh, but instead of being closeminded and intolorent, and infecting your children with the same, you might try looking at it as I do. I am a divorced straight woman who was married for a short 4 years. I am friends with a gay couple who have been together for 20 years and are so kind and loving to eachother. I applaud them. Love is love, no matter what. Teach your children that. With everything in the world today, your child witnessing 2 women or 2 men holding hands or exchanging a quick kiss on the lips, is the last thing any of us should be worrying about.

The report was much more involved than what you think might have happend at DisneyWorld. Your conclusion jumping is unbelievable! Please also refrain from telling others what to teach their children as you can teach yours as you see fit and I will do the same!!!

 

[southpaw 1]

And I suppose the kids better be locked up for life if you think you'll hide them from the real world. And I pray that anyone with this attitude does not have a child grow up and have to tell the parent someday that they are gay.

Why for life? The key word is grown up as you say above. Do you think it is time to explain to a 5 year old about this subject?

 

[ndepaola]

Let's nip this one in the bud since it appears to me that we're headed the way of the smoking threads...

Q: "Is there anyway to make sure the cruise ship will not have the same?"

A: NO. Short of staying inside your stateroom with the television turned off at all times, there is absolutely no way you can be sure that your family will not observe something on the cruise ship that you wish them not to observe.

 

[ccourtney]

The report was much more involved than what you think might have happend at DisneyWorld. Your conclusion jumping is unbelievable! Please also refrain from telling others what to teach their children as you can teach yours as you see fit and I will do the same!!!

I did not mean any disrespect or to imply that I was trying to tell you how to raise your children. If I offended you, I apologize. I just wonder if your friend came home and told you that a straight couple was acting in that manner, that you would be so concerned. Disney World is for everyone. Everyone else has just as much right to be there as you.

 

[TnRobin]

It is not a correct to label someone as gay or straight based on who they are holding hands with or who they may kiss on the cheek. I have no problem holding my friend's hands, hugging her, or even giving her a quick kiss on the cheek as a hello. I even know some families that greet each other with a quick kiss on the lips. Many are from a different country where this behavior is the norm.

Please do not catagorize or label people when you don't know thier situation or their background.

 

[ldb1030]

Why for life? The key word is grown up as you say above. Do you think it is time to explain to a 5 year old about this subject?

Well, each parent will explain this when they feel it's time, and they'll explain it in their own way, but chances are, they'll get an 'explanation' from a 'friend' long before some parents explain it.

It's not hard really, telling a child that some couples are men and women and some are 2 men and some are 2 women. They all love each other just the same and if you don't make a big deal out of it, kids that age couldn't really care less!

 

[karibritt01]

What exactly do you mean by public display? Do you mean people were demonstrating gross public displays of affection that are inappropriate for straight couples as well as gay couples to do in front of small children (or anyone else for that matter)?

That's the one! It's nasty no matter who is doing it! This is the main reason we chose to pay a fortune to sail DCL instead of Carnival. Just too many horror stories out there!

There is a gay couple on my cruise in Oct, and they are celebrating 21(?) years together. I have gotten to know one of the women pretty well through posting... so sweet and helpful! I would never in a million years have a problem with her and her partner being around my kids.

IMHO, you see more gross PDA from the 16-22 yr old crowd than from anyone else. Can we have a cruise without them??

 

[southpaw 1]

It is not a correct to label someone as gay or straight based on who they are holding hands with or who they may kiss on the cheek. I have no problem holding my friend's hands, hugging her, or even giving her a quick kiss on the cheek as a hello. I even know some families that greet each other with a quick kiss on the lips. Many are from a different country where this behavior is the norm.

Please do not catagorize or label people when you don't know thier situation or their background.

I did not catagorize anyone, The participants of Gayweek as it is called did this themselves. On numerous occasions it was reported that two men were making out in line rides wearing I am a fruitcake want to see my nuts t-shirts. If you think this is ok for children I am speechless

 

[TnRobin]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Be reminded to stay on topic.

The purpose of this board is to discuss cruise related topics. While I can see PDA can be a cruise related topic, I do not see discussion of the pros and cons to an alternative lifestyle nor the discussion of how to tell your child about the world to be cruise related.

 

[2disneydads]

I did not catagorize anyone, The participants of Gayweek as it is called did this themselves. On numerous occasions it was reported that two men were making out in line rides wearing I am a fruitcake want to see my nuts t-shirts. If you think this is ok for children I am speechless

I would not consider the described behavior appropriate whether it were from a man and woman, 2 women or 2 men. I might even have asked them myself to get a room if their hormones were so raging. As to the shirt, I also do not think it is appropriate. I, on the otherhand, stood in line at the Magic Kingdom behind someone wearing a t-shirt that read (and I apologize if the language offends, but this is exactly what the shirt said): It had a picture of the Trix (cereal) rabbit on it and the words "Silly ******, dix are for chix." So it seems that the bad taste runs in both directions. I would have expected WDW security to have asked both of these parties to change their shirts.

 

[inkkognito]

,,,On numerous occasions it was reported that two men were making out in line rides wearing I am a fruitcake want to see my nuts t-shirts.

So in other words you are relying on a "report," not anything you've seen in person? I've also seen it "reported" online that gay people hold recruiting sessions for children behind the castle on Gay Days. I hate to tell you this, but just because you read something on the internet does not make it true. Shocking, I know, but maybe you should consider the source of these "reports." Ever think they could be posted by people trying to get gullible readers up in arms and to fan anti-gay sentiment based on falsehoods?

For the record, I live next door to WDW and have been to Gay Days multiple times. I've never seen this so-called outragerous behavior, and that is based on my own personal observations spending the whole day at MK, not some mystical, mythical "report."

 

[CraftyMouse]

Why for life? The key word is grown up as you say above. Do you think it is time to explain to a 5 year old about this subject?

Mine knew before that. They knew that some people fall in love with those of the opposite gender and some fall in love with those of the same gender. No big deal. Why not teach them at 5? Then they'll grow up accepting others rather than focusing on the fact that they are different. Do you shield your children from black people? How about Jewish people (or those of a different religion if you are Jewish)? Do you teach your children to accept those groups? Then why not people who simply love a bit different than you do? I truly don't get it.

 

[southpaw 1]

So in other words you are relying on a "report," not anything you've seen in person? I've also seen it "reported" online that gay people hold recruiting sessions for children behind the castle on Gay Days. I hate to tell you this, but just because you read something on the internet does not make it true. Shocking, I know, but maybe you should consider the source of these "reports." Ever think they could be posted by people trying to get gullible readers up in arms and to fan anti-gay sentiment based on falsehoods?

For the record, I live next door to WDW and have been to Gay Days multiple times. I've never seen this so-called outragerous behavior, and that is based on my own personal observations spending the whole day at MK, not some mystical, mythical "report."

You must have MISSED MY ORIGINAL POST?? The report came from my friend and his wife and another couple they were with. So before you write two paragraphs of bashing, you might want to read the op.

 

[crashbb]

You must have MISSED MY ORIGINAL POST?? The report came from my friend and his wife and another couple they were with. So before you write two paragraphs of bashing, you might want to read the op.

Your subsequent post said "on numerous occasions it was reported", which certainly made it sound like you were talking about more than these two original couples. I has also assumed that these "numerous reports" were a different set of reports from your original 2 reports (which were tied together, so really a single report).

 

[kaseyC]

Let's nip this one in the bud since it appears to me that we're headed the way of the smoking threads...

Q: "Is there anyway to make sure the cruise ship will not have the same?"

A: NO. Short of staying inside your stateroom with the television turned off at all times, there is absolutely no way you can be sure that your family will not observe something on the cruise ship that you wish them not to observe.

I'm quoting the post above because IMO, it answers your question. You can take that answer and determine if DCL or any public venue is right for you and your family.

 

[TiaMaria]

You must have MISSED MY ORIGINAL POST?? The report came from my friend and his wife and another couple they were with. So before you write two paragraphs of bashing, you might want to read the op.

My goodness! Barb didn't BASH you, she RESPONDED to you!

Bottom line is that Disney as well as DCL are inclusive of EVERYONE. If you are too sensitive to that, you may not enjoy cruising with them (or any other cruiselines or theme parks that are non-discriminatory).

I'm also not bashing you - I am responding to your original question. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to hear.

 

[Fizzgig]

A good friend of mine just got back from DisneyWorld with his family. He informed me that is was significant other week and the public display was not what you would want your children to see. Is there anyway to make sure the cruise ship will not have the same? Not trying to offend but not my idea of a family vacation??

OP: Referring back to your original post, it is my opinion you've gotten your answers--No, it isn't possible for you to control the behavior of others, and DCL will not allow you to control the behavior of others.

Therefore, I would think this "Touchy Subject" thread can be closed, right?

 

[Amlee]

I don't care if they are straight, curved, gay, or sad! I do not want to see people pawing each other with "affection". Take it too a room! Nor do I have a problem telling said people to do so.


As for what the shirt said, If the child is old enough to read the shirt and ask questions enough to make them wonder something. Then it's time to start explaining things.

 

[southpaw 1]

Your subsequent post said "on numerous occasions it was reported", which certainly made it sound like you were talking about more than these two original couples. I has also assumed that these "numerous reports" were a different set of reports from your original 2 reports (which were tied together, so really a single report).

Numerous reports by the same couples, therefore qualifies as numerous reports. I did not call Disney World and ask to speak randomly to people that day to see what they saw. I had enough info from our friends. Do you not believe this could possibly happen?

 

[southpaw 1]

I don't care if they are straight, curved, gay, or sad! I do not want to see people pawing each other with "affection". Take it too a room! Nor do I have a problem telling said people to do so.


As for what the shirt said, If the child is old enough to read the shirt and ask questions enough to make them wonder something. Then it's time to start explaining things.

I am sure even Dr.Laura would disagree about explaining to a 5 year old what this persons' shirt meant? Come on!!