Toddlers and Tiaras season premiere.....

[woodkins]

Aside from the whole pageant issue, didn't anyone find it creepy that the twins mom had been married many many times (she compared herself to Elizabeth Taylor) and had like 7 kids by a bunch of different dads. She said she was a single mom working as a waitress when she met her current husband, and it was a "cinderella story". Seems to me like she is a HUGE golddigger and those twins are her meal ticket. All she talked about was money, $$, $$. They were focused on her Christian Louboutains, designer bags, bentley etc. It was sooo creepy how she was bragging all about the $$. Umm, lady that is all your husband's money, all you did was serve dinner to the right customer at the right time...I wonder what type of establishment she was serving in

 

[cepmom]

Aside from the whole pageant issue, didn't anyone find it creepy that the twins mom had been married many many times (she compared herself to Elizabeth Taylor) and had like 7 kids by a bunch of different dads. She said she was a single mom working as a waitress when she met her current husband, and it was a "cinderella story". Seems to me like she is a HUGE golddigger and those twins are her meal ticket. All she talked about was money, $$, $$. They were focused on her Christian Louboutains, designer bags, bentley etc. It was sooo creepy how she was bragging all about the $$. Umm, lady that is all your husband's money, all you did was serve dinner to the right customer at the right time...I wonder what type of establishment she was serving in

I thought the same thing haha!! She was definitely creeeeepy and a nut case to boot

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I don't mind this show, I don't like "Little Miss Perfect" on We. The judges all bother me and the host is just creepy.

As far as the twins mom I honestly don't see what the problem is. She at least knows that she is a trophy wife. I too like nice things and I don't see what the big deal is about wanting and liking designer items. If she can afford it why not?

 

[Saphire]

I live in the Boston area and have never, ever heard of Mom's putting their little girls in pageants, it just isn't done around here. There IS a lot of focus on getting your kids into a great college, and all of that starts at a young age.
I saw the show a few times in the past year. It is depressing, shocking and perverted. Why is it attractive to make little girls look like women?
I would love to see a follow-up show about girls who have been involved in that life. I would be so curious to hear what they have to say, and see what became of them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think you have a good point about Mackenzie being really frustrated and angry. It really doesn't seem like pageants make her happy at all. I missed the part where she said don't every do that again. When did she say that? I saw her say that last season when she didn't want shoes put on or something.

I thought Mackenzie's mom looked pregnant too, but I never heard her mention another baby coming.

I have a different thought on Mackenzie's behavior.

Her mother NEVER EVER EVER EVER corrects her--at least on camera. I would suspect off camera as well, b/c they really do cater to her demands...except to not do pageants.

But sub pagents with "I don't want to be in my car seat/booster, I don't want to eat my broccoli, I don't want to go to school, I don't want to get that shot"...I have a feeling she would act the same way.

My children do some things that they do ask to do, but on some days, they act as though I am forcing them, which technically I am not. But--depending on the situation, I will say--too bad, stop complaining, let's go.

I never see that with MacKenzie's mom. She seems like those mom's you see on Supernanny that just need a magical switch flipped before they get it.

No doubt, the pageant stress adds to it--but it seems that it would happen anyway.

As for the "don't ever do that again"...they had been trying to wean her from it, I think even on the last time she was on. This episode could have been within a few months or longer. But nonetheless, they are still weaning and they are trying to not give it to her and make it disappear, but she has them trained that if she howls and fusses and screams and whines long enough, they will give it to her and she wins. Her comment was directed at both the mom and the aunt to never keep her "ni-ni" away from her again.

She seems extremely spoiled to me. But yes, she is also demonstrating that she doesn't want to be in pageants.

What is weird to me though, that despite all the bratty behavior--she "shines" on stage. I just don't get it.

To me--that is a sign that she is being a very manipulative 4yo.

When my kids don't want to do something, they don't flip a switch when they finally do. They usually are doing it a little begrudgingly as in "I'll do it, but I won't like it".

I don't get that from MacKenzie at all.

If I am not mistaken, they live with grandma--and grandma funds the pageants. I don't think her mom makes much money--certainly not enough for that circuit. But MacKenzie doesn't seem to want for nothing in the materialism sense.

 

[rie'smom]

I live in the Boston area and have never, ever heard of Mom's putting their little girls in pageants, it just isn't done around here. There IS a lot of focus on getting your kids into a great college, and all of that starts at a young age.
I saw the show a few times in the past year. It is depressing, shocking and perverted. Why is it attractive to make little girls look like women?
I would love to see a follow-up show about girls who have been involved in that life. I would be so curious to hear what they have to say, and see what became of them.

There are pageants like that in MA, you're just not familiar with them.

I have a feeling that the pageant girls end up like most others. A small percentage do really well, a larger percentage are average, and then a small percentage have miserable lives.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't mind this show, I don't like "Little Miss Perfect" on We. The judges all bother me and the host is just creepy.

As far as the twins mom I honestly don't see what the problem is. She at least knows that she is a trophy wife. I too like nice things and I don't see what the big deal is about wanting and liking designer items. If she can afford it why not?

Maybe--but I find that pageant much more respectable than the ones they show on Toddlers....

One of their winners won without her 2 front teeth.

As for the twin's mom--excess is the issue. sure she can afford it. But even the most prestigious of pageant winners don't require wardrobes of 35 dresses at $2000 a piece. INSANE!!!! I don't begrudge her for outfitting her kids in Chanel and Prada though.

I did pageants as a kid and even the "natural" back in the day--if you didn't wear 3 or 4 petticoats under your dress for the fluffed out look, you wouldn't usually win. I only had one, but even then--I knew. My cousin...wow, she was in tons of pageants. I do feel it added to her confidence. But I think part of that was her winning a lot. She now has an amazing job with Disney.

The pageants were for fun. They weren't intended to make her famous. She did them until about age 11 or 12 (maybe 10 or 11). I was always envious of her family room wall well endowed with crowns and trophies. My mom just didn't have the money to make me a valid contender.

I remember one horrific dress she put me in and my poodle-do. Oh my goodness, I was lucky to get last place. I was embarrassed by how I looked and it showed. She simply didn't have the money--we were just kidding ourselves. Dresses didn't fit, hair was styled horribly (she was sincerely clueless!), and I had no talent.

Yeah--I was a poster child for how NOT to do a pageant.

 

[RockAndRollBallerina]

Why is it attractive to make little girls look like women?

Its not at all attractive, if I am walking in a mall or department store I do not want to see a 3 year old, or any minor looking 20-25 years older than they actually are. Its just plain disgusting how these pageant moms think its cute, when its the exact opposite. In addition to that the money these parents spend on these "Glitz Pageants" is just plain sickening as well. My dad owns a day care center, and if a young girl were to come into the center and be dropped off by their mom or dad looking like those pageant do we wouldn't hesitate for a second getting a social worker to the center to talk to the parent or parents. Kids need to be kids, not made to look like a 30 year old at age 3 all because their mom is vicariously living through her young child.

 

[Magpie]

I live in the Boston area and have never, ever heard of Mom's putting their little girls in pageants, it just isn't done around here. There IS a lot of focus on getting your kids into a great college, and all of that starts at a young age.
I saw the show a few times in the past year. It is depressing, shocking and perverted. Why is it attractive to make little girls look like women?
I would love to see a follow-up show about girls who have been involved in that life. I would be so curious to hear what they have to say, and see what became of them.

Last year I saw a documentary that followed two former child beauty queens into adulthood.

One of the girls stopped participating in pageants when she was about 12, in order to attend an exclusive prep school. They caught up with her in her senior year, and she was accomplished in sports, a beautiful singer in the school's choir, and all around a very accomplished young lady who had been accepted to several different colleges. She credited her pageant experiences with teaching her poise and giving her confidence and strong public speaking skills. She said she would definitely enroll her children in them.

The other girl continued to do pageants and really didn't develop any other skills, other than those specific to winning crowns. She didn't have any clear plans for the future, and as she gained weight and got older she was no longer winning as many crowns either. It was depressing. She was also very pro-pageant, and was making a little money on the side working with younger pageant girls.

The worst part was when the documentary cut between the first girl singing in a choir (and sounding great!) and the second girl belting out an off-key tune on stage as her special "talent".

It was an interesting documentary, and pretty much backed up what my aunt said about when girls should quit the pageant circuit.

 

[rie'smom]

I have a different thought on Mackenzie's behavior.

Her mother NEVER EVER EVER EVER corrects her--at least on camera. I would suspect off camera as well, b/c they really do cater to her demands...except to not do pageants.

But sub pagents with "I don't want to be in my car seat/booster, I don't want to eat my broccoli, I don't want to go to school, I don't want to get that shot"...I have a feeling she would act the same way.

My children do some things that they do ask to do, but on some days, they act as though I am forcing them, which technically I am not. But--depending on the situation, I will say--too bad, stop complaining, let's go.

I never see that with MacKenzie's mom. She seems like those mom's you see on Supernanny that just need a magical switch flipped before they get it.

No doubt, the pageant stress adds to it--but it seems that it would happen anyway.

As for the "don't ever do that again"...they had been trying to wean her from it, I think even on the last time she was on. This episode could have been within a few months or longer. But nonetheless, they are still weaning and they are trying to not give it to her and make it disappear, but she has them trained that if she howls and fusses and screams and whines long enough, they will give it to her and she wins. Her comment was directed at both the mom and the aunt to never keep her "ni-ni" away from her again.

She seems extremely spoiled to me. But yes, she is also demonstrating that she doesn't want to be in pageants.

What is weird to me though, that despite all the bratty behavior--she "shines" on stage. I just don't get it.

To me--that is a sign that she is being a very manipulative 4yo.

When my kids don't want to do something, they don't flip a switch when they finally do. They usually are doing it a little begrudgingly as in "I'll do it, but I won't like it".

I don't get that from MacKenzie at all.

If I am not mistaken, they live with grandma--and grandma funds the pageants. I don't think her mom makes much money--certainly not enough for that circuit. But MacKenzie doesn't seem to want for nothing in the materialism sense.

Makenzie loves the pageants. My take on her saying she doesn't want to do them is she's yanking her mother's chain. You can tell the little girl is very smart and very verbal. She knows exactly which buttons to press and takes full advantage. Makenzie is smart enough to know that if she really didn't like pageants, all she has to do is to goof up on stage all the time or act out. That kid would be the first to say, " Help me, my momma is forcing me do these pageants and I hate them!" She doesn't though because she loves the attention.
Makenzie rules the roost.
They don't live with grandma. There was something said last season about Daddy is coming home or something to that effect. Her parents if not married are together or were last season.

 

[tink1969]

My SIL is what happens to these children when they grow up. She did all the pagent things when she was a child and guess what she is a B***H! She has entitlement issues and acts about as bad as the Mckenzie girl and my SIL is an adult. Nobody ever told her NO as a child and everyone always told her how beautiful she was and blah blah blah. Now as an adult she is manipulitive, self absorbed you name it. Get this she is a manager at a department store now.

 

[tink1969]

What's wrong with being a manager at a department store???

Absolutely nothing! It's just funny that someone who was led to believe she will have it all by participating in pageants is working in retail. I'm sure she she was expecting to live a life of luxury and celebrity and obviously that didn't happen. Maybe that's why she is a b****h!

 

[tink1969]

Aside from the whole pageant issue, didn't anyone find it creepy that the twins mom had been married many many times (she compared herself to Elizabeth Taylor) and had like 7 kids by a bunch of different dads. She said she was a single mom working as a waitress when she met her current husband, and it was a "cinderella story". Seems to me like she is a HUGE golddigger and those twins are her meal ticket. All she talked about was money, $$, $$. They were focused on her Christian Louboutains, designer bags, bentley etc. It was sooo creepy how she was bragging all about the $$. Umm, lady that is all your husband's money, all you did was serve dinner to the right customer at the right time...I wonder what type of establishment she was serving in

 

[lillygator]

aside from the one mother....I think all the mom's have their issues, self confidence, etc

 

[muffyn]

ever pay attention to the audience?
it looks like a bunch of ragga-muffins off the streets? the only people dressed up are the kids! more often than not the parents have missing teeth!
and the venue.. it just looks like a small room in some hotel, not very large, & certainly not at all fancy, for all the hype & $$$ the parents shell out. follow what I mean? just ordinary, ho-hum event.
all around just sad.

 

[Aimeedyan]

I got curious about Makenzie and her mom and did some googling last night. Her mom seemed very young but had a lot of $ to spend and they didn't feature a dad this time. She IS pregnant. According to the info online about them (her full name is out there... and they have a FB page) she is young (22) and they are married. Word on the street is that her (the mom's) dad is financially supporting much of this. They seem to be well known in Montgomery, where they live. Makenzie's mom wants her to be famous. Which is why she had no qualms featuring her again, I'm sure.

I think she's a beautiful child, strong willed, and very smart, and she's likely not been given any expectations for appropriate behavior.

 

[aprilgail2]

ever pay attention to the audience?
it looks like a bunch of ragga-muffins off the streets? the only people dressed up are the kids! more often than not the parents have missing teeth!
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LOL--that is true. One show the mom had her kid dressed up like a little hooker and was telling her "make sure you flirt with the judges when you are out there" - I about wanted to vomit - telling that little child to flirt with those creepy middle aged men made me sick!

 

[lillygator]

ever pay attention to the audience?
it looks like a bunch of ragga-muffins off the streets? the only people dressed up are the kids! more often than not the parents have missing teeth!
and the venue.. it just looks like a small room in some hotel, not very large, & certainly not at all fancy, for all the hype & $$$ the parents shell out. follow what I mean? just ordinary, ho-hum event.
all around just sad.

exactly = the pagent people are out to make money and these chicks are nutcases subjecting their kids to this

 

[4kids4karen]

I don't think pageants from 15 years ago can be compared to pageants today.

I also feel there are other ways to give girls self confidence that doesn't involve making them self-centered that they are the most beautiful girl in the world and want to destroy hotel rooms if they don't win. LoL.

For example, my daughter was extremely shy to the point she wouldn't even want to speak to our neighbors. She took months to warm up to anyone. We put her in soccer and she was still shy, only playing a few minutes of each game before wanting to sit on the sides. We put her in side-line cheerleading for her brother's football team and she broke out of her shell a little but was still what I considered shy. We put her in all-star cheerleading and let me tell you, my child is a different child. For example she was up dancing to WII Dance last night (new years eve) in front of a house full of people she didn't know, etc. LoL. All-Star cheerleading is different from the cheerleading most people are familiar with. There is no 'boys team' associated with it. They practice all year and compete in about 9 competitions a year, up on stage! My daughter is a flyer (the girl that gets thrown in the air) and her tumble skills are pretty amazing for 7 years old. Yes, they do wear the skimpy cheer outfit on stage and some glitzy make-up on stage, but overall it is a team sport where you learn sportsmanship and trust in your teammates. My daughter, as a flyer, knows she can't fly unless she has trust and faith in her bases to hold her in the air and catch her when they throw her up, etc. It's not an 'all about me' event. It teaches that each person on the team role is just as important as the next persons. Each person skills is used in various ways. I am a huge fan of all-star cheerleading. But not a fan of pageants. We watch toddler and tiaras because my daughter does like to watch it, not me. LoL. My daughter has a lot of confidence and self-esteem, but she also knows how to get along with others. ;-)

I wonder how Danielle gets along with her classmates at school.

 

[minniecarousel]

I saw an episode last week and one dad seemed very uncomfortable with his daughter looking so old. It makes me wonder how many of the dads have any say in what their daughters do.

And, yep, I'm a train-wreck watcher! I've never heard of these here in Northern California.