To recline or not to recline...

In my experience the recline has more to do with the angle that you sit at as opposed to have anything to do with the top of the seat or your height. The angle of not being forced forward is relieved when you recline a bit (much more to do with your waist area, as opposed to the length of your body.)
But if you look at airplane seats, the backs are already angled greater than 90° from the seat. They may be straight up and down (like dining chairs) on some ULCCs (like RyanAir) or maybe not.
See the issue and the blame is and should be on the airlines for purchasing planes that are not functional/comfortable for their customers.
same planes they've owned for years. The problem is, the seat rows are on tracks and can be moved to reduce pitch. Rarely is the distance between rows increased.
After this thread. And seeing the idiot on video. I shall now always recline. Why? Just to apparently upset people that have nothing better to get upset about.
Before you commit to being unprovokedly vindictive, take a flight in a seat that can't recline, behind one that the passenger reclines fully through the entire flight.
 
The recliner is the one forcing themselves into space that isn't solely theirs. The person behind the recliner can't affect the person in front of them unless they bang the seat, or make a habit of pulling down on it.
If my seat is able to recline into that space, then isn't it my space now? I paid for that seat with that function. I should be able to use it without guilt or shame.
 
Yeah, it is the airline's fault but each person still has the choice to recline or not. No one is forcing them to recline the seat just because it can recline, they are still making a selfish decision. There are a lot of things in life that we can do with no repercussions but choose not to for the sake of others.
No one is forcing anyone to get upset either though. And I doubt many people honestly recline for the hell of it.
 

I'm kinda surprised at the folks claiming so much territory in a plane and which goes both ways.

Maybe I'm just so used to primarily SWA that there ain't no space to really claim :rotfl2:
 
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Everyone knows airplanes have little room. I totally understand people feeling they ought to be able to use their seat as intended and recline to get a little more room or for pain issues. The recline function was designed to allow people to recline... It was also designed at a time when seats weren't so close together so reclining didn't impact others the way it does now. Airlines started reducing the space between seats to add more seats and make more money, but didn't adjust the seat recline ability with it to compensate for the effect it would then have on those sitting behind a reclined seat.

I do forsee more airlines going the way of Spirit and Fronteir and eliminating manual seat recline by making new seats that have a minimal pre-recline built-in. Delta has already been reducing the recline on their seats over the last year.

While I understand people wanting/needing to recline, it would be nice if everyone was just a little more considerate about it. Everyone knows that the tray tables are attached to the back of the seat, so before reclining, look behind you and see if someone's using their table and you're about to smash their laptop or knock over their drink. Give them a heads up so they can adjust their stuff. If they know in advance, they can *maybe* adjust their own position so their knees aren't being rammed into unexpectedly causing them pain. If someone does ask you not to recline as it's causing them pain, see if you can come to a middle ground with minimal adjustment or ask the flight attendant if there's somewhere else one of you can sit (and that point goes for both the recliner and the person sitting behind- either one can take the initiative and ask if there's another seat you can relocate to).

People should be able to use all functions of their seat, including recline if available. Likewise, people should be able to use all of the space they paid for between seats without having that space reduced by the seat in front of them digging into them and causing them pain. People should also be able to use their tray tables as designed without having their drinks knocked off or their stuff smashed.

Unfortunately, with the way the seats and spacing is currently designed on many aircraft, not everyone can have full use of what they paid for at the same time. If you recline, you are going into the space another passenger paid for, potentially putting them in pain or affecting their ability to use their tray table. If you ask someone not to recline, you are limiting their ability to use the features of the seat they paid for and potentially causing them to be in pain.

If passengers can't behave considerately and try to work out this issue themselves (again, someone wanting to recline and the person behind them coming to an agreement or asking if you can move), then the airlines will make more efforts to solve this problem. As noted above, some already are making changes and more will if it continues to be an issue that flight attendants have to intervene in or if it causes disruptions in flight schedules. It's going to be reducing or eventually eliminating the recline feature, going to the limited pre-recline in more aircraft, or redesigning the seats to take the recline from your own leg space.

That being said, for those who want/need to recline, would you be satisfied with no longer having the ability to recline, having seats that only have a small pre-recline, or having your recline ability taken from your own leg space?
 
A lot of these situations could be eased with just a little bit more consideration on both sides.

I understand the person in front of me might want to recline their seat. We're typically flying UK to US, it's a long flight, people want to be comfortable, I get it. Is it really too much to ask for that person to put their seat back upright when the meal is being served? They're not obliged to do so, but it's nice of them if they do. Similarly, if someone does want to recline for the full duration of the flight, I'd hope they'd be understanding if I occasionally bump their seat when I get up.

To be honest I have more issues with passengers who treat the plane like it's their living room!

Every international flight I've been on has made people put their seats upright during a full meal service.
 
do you pay for a seat or a space? if you pay for a seat, you should be able to recline in that seat. if you pay for a space, you shouldn't have people recline into your space. so do you pick out a seat or a space? answer that question and the problem is solved. do you say, I have space 19b or seat 19 b. I think this solves the issue. you can all thank me later. now can we please resurrect a couple zombie threads?
 
But if you look at airplane seats, the backs are already angled greater than 90° from the seat. They may be straight up and down (like dining chairs) on some ULCCs (like RyanAir) or maybe not.

same planes they've owned for years. The problem is, the seat rows are on tracks and can be moved to reduce pitch. Rarely is the distance between rows increased.

Before you commit to being unprovokedly vindictive, take a flight in a seat that can't recline, behind one that the passenger reclines fully through the entire flight.
I have...is it annoying? Of course. Do I feel personally offended or for entitled to be "mad at" or hit the chair in front of me? Of course not, I'm a decent human being, who which the earth does not revolve around.
 
Huh? So whenever I do something that someone else doesn't like I can just tell them 'I didn't force you to get upset'?
Lof of emotions over seat reclining is all.

People calling the seat recliners selfish, curse names, saying they'll resent them, being spiteful or purposefully rude or not nice or amiable etc all because of a seat recline. No one is actually forcing you (general you) to behave, feel or be like that. We all have choices too in that department is all I'm saying :)
 
Yeah, it is the airline's fault but each person still has the choice to recline or not. No one is forcing them to recline the seat just because it can recline, they are still making a selfish decision. There are a lot of things in life that we can do with no repercussions but choose not to for the sake of others.
I don't know if selfish is the right word...it really depends on the situation. The airline basically "oversold" the reclining airspace to 2 people, both who are entitled to it. And I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to claim what you paid for. For example, if someone has bad knee joints (wants the legroom) vs someone who has back issues (wants to recline), we cannot judge who is more 'selfish' as they each have their own reason. That's why I suggest reclining 50% as the baseline, so each customer is compromising and taking half of their entitled space which is fair. Of course nothing is stopping them from discussing and coming up with new solutions (no recline during meals, ok to recline if both are sleeping, etc)

This situation is only exacerbated bc of how small the space is. If there were 10 feet of space between me and the seat in front of me, I would not care if you reclined the entire way. The airline needs to find that sweet spot for seat distance.
 
Good on you for not stooping that low to resorting to punching the chair..but then why not be smooth or gracious when moving around? Why be spiteful at that point? At that point y'all weren't being courteous passengers either.

Not the person you're responding to and not the same exact situation, but I've been on a flight where I was in the window seat. The person in the middle in the row in front of me reclined (and it was a plane that had a sizeable seat recline). When I needed to get up to use the restroom, I couldn't get out because the seat reclined so much that I couldn't walk through the floor space. The woman in the seat had her eyes closed and would not wake up despite attempts by myself and even those sitting on either side of her (we weren't rude, we called out to her and tried gently shaking her shoulder when that didn't work). Eventually, I had to sit and scoot across the seats and I did end up pushing down on the back of her seat for leverage to make it across. I wasn't doing it to be a jerk, I just couldn't make it across otherwise. She did finally "wake up" from that and yelled at me for jerking on her seat, but I'm not sure what else I was supposed to do.

If my seat is able to recline into that space, then isn't it my space now? I paid for that seat with that function. I should be able to use it without guilt or shame.

Likewise, the person behind you paid for the room between their seat and yours as well as full use of their tray table and should be able to use that space without guilt or shame. Both of you paid for that same space.
 
Not the person you're responding to and not the same exact situation, but I've been on a flight where I was in the window seat. The person in the middle in the row in front of me reclined (and it was a plane that had a sizeable seat recline). When I needed to get up to use the restroom, I couldn't get out because the seat reclined so much that I couldn't walk through the floor space. The woman in the seat had her eyes closed and would not wake up despite attempts by myself and even those sitting on either side of her (we weren't rude, we called out to her and tried gently shaking her shoulder when that didn't work). Eventually, I had to sit and scoot across the seats and I did end up pushing down on the back of her seat for leverage to make it across. I wasn't doing it to be a jerk, I just couldn't make it across otherwise. She did finally "wake up" from that and yelled at me for jerking on her seat, but I'm not sure what else I was supposed to do.
Right but you weren't doing anything out of spite, you didn't react to the passenger's behavior and say "well right back at ya too"

So I would consider your situation way different than the other poster's :) You even attempted to be pleasant to no avail as the passenger would not wake up. The passenger likely yelled out at you for being a jerk because all they saw/felt was a person jerking on their seat with no context. Reactionary on their part though of course.
 
do you pay for a seat or a space? if you pay for a seat, you should be able to recline in that seat. if you pay for a space, you shouldn't have people recline into your space. so do you pick out a seat or a space? answer that question and the problem is solved. do you say, I have space 19b or seat 19 b. I think this solves the issue. you can all thank me later. now can we please resurrect a couple zombie threads?
Oh my goodness! This! So much this! I bought a seat! My seat reclines. No one bought "space"!
 
But imagine thinking it's okay to recline so much the people behind you can't get up, fall asleep, NOT WAKE UP and then as soon as that person has figured out how to get around you, yell at them for being annoying?! When all of it could have been avoided in four different ways before it got to that point?

My issue is that people need to at least realize what they're doing when they do it and not act put upon.
 
Oh my goodness! This! So much this! I bought a seat! My seat reclines. No one bought "space"!

No, people bought access to their tray table, and access to their television, and if you're reclining, you might be reducing that access.

Also, cool, since you didn't buy space, it's alright if I put my luggage in what would ordinarily be where you'd put yours, right?
 

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