To Infinity and Beyond - Becoming a Better DopeyBadger (Comments Welcome)

-G is too too too cute

Agreed! Too cute! I'm afraid for the future.... LOL!

-great ceramic nemo! i can see why the asked you to paint more (g's is pretty good too)

Thanks! I was super worried because in the middle of the night I realized I never painted the whites of her eyes. I was certain it would be a disaster. Thankfully it turned out just fine. It took way too much time though unless they were willing to pay me. LOL!

-had my son's face painted and DL during SWLS and he had a terrible allergic reaction to the paint. crazy because he's had his face painted before with no issues. :(

Same here. I don't remember if I mentioned it but G had a little reaction to it as well. It was tiny though. That's too bad about your son. Must be something unusual in the paint.

-i can't believe someone peed in HM, gross!

I know right. :crazy2:

-i can't believe people clapped when a couple left with the crying baby, haven't we all been through that?!

So so agree. I felt so bad for those parents. I get it, but I definitely didn't agree or partake. It just made me feel for them.

-love G at the kids race. my guy wasn't into his kids dash during the turkey trot, but pulled through once we started running with him.

She was so funny. I think we just got lucky on that day she was in to it. Who knows what it would have been like otherwise. Maybe your son felt more comfortable with you guys by his side.

-i know taking turns drafting is marathon etiquette 101, but do you guys just say it out loud when you're running when you're going to take the lead? i've never done a marathon before and wear headphones, so just wondering.

In the times I've done it, I typically get behind someone for a period of time and then I pass them and point to my back. No idea if that's the correct way to do it, but in the times I have done it the person seems to get the point.

-did the wheelchair person have a bike escort? a bike escort pushed us to the left during a declne so that someone in a wheelchair could pass.

No escort for the bike. I just knew they we were entering a downhill so I kind of cleared the path for her. But it got difficult in cone alley because the bike wasn't lit up much at all. There wasn't much passing going in there anyways.

-Question: why didn't you toss your gloves at one point? They seemed like a hinderance as they got wetter and colder.

They're one of my best pair of gloves at around $50 so that would have been a really tough decision. I could have taken them off and carried them, but in past experience that usually makes it worse than better. Worst of all once you take them off, no matter the conditions it's almost impossible to get them back on.

-your mom is too cool

Agreed! ::yes::

really liked the honesty in your summary. my guy loved disneyland the first time and we immediately booked another trip 3 months later, but it was a disaster with a daily meltdown exactly at 2pm. so we held off except for my 2 rD events and he enjoyed the parks last weekend. he's too heavy for me to carry for prolonged periods, so his daddy gets that duty. but he was fine in the stroller too, thankfully!

I felt it was most appropriate to tell the good with the bad. There were others things that happened on the trip that I didn't go into, but it wouldn't be fair to all involved. So I left parts unsaid. But I gave about a 90% trip report.

I'm thankful G is only 27 pounds because I can't even imagine trying to carry a child heavier than her. Thankfully Steph is the strong one in this family since I've got noodle arms. Happy to here this past trip went better!

-i'm very similar about packing things in and missing things on a checklist, can't imagine all that running around and trying to PR all the races.

Glad someone else shares my pain (illness) in the need to complete. I was thankful because we actually did less this trip than last year. But being my 4th time, I've gotten all my tricks down to maximize everything.

-very cool medal rack! i don't have a lot since i started last year and i just toss mine in the back of the closet!

Thanks! Just a simple curtain rod from Target (like $25). Most of my medals are in the basement just kind of barely displayed. But I keep the Disney ones out because they look the nicest. I like the time board the best (more my style), but I haven't updated the board yet with new planks and a new quote yet (thus no picture update yet).

Awesome recap and again CONGRATULATIONS on your accomplishments. any one would be impressive on its own, but 3 PR's in (basically) a row with full days at the parks is just amazing!

Thanks! and Thanks! Just out to prove that it is possible to have your cake and eat it too. You can PR at Disney and do a lot of theme park time, if that's something you want to do. Just requires you to simulate similar circumstances in training which I try to do. In fact, by withholding the compression calf sleeves in training I tend to actually feel fresher during the Disney races (because I do have them) then some parts of my training.

Thanks for reading and congrats on your SWLS weekend! It's almost time for your "A" race weekend and I'm super excited for you! :woohoo:
 
2017 Winter/Spring Training Cycle - Jack Daniels 10k Training

It's time for something new. It's crazy to think that I have been training for a marathon essentially every training cycle since Spring 2014. That's almost 3 years of endurance, endurance, endurance... It's paid off and I wouldn't change anything from the past, but it's time for something new. So prior to my first BQ attempt in Fall 2017, I thought it would be a good idea to change it up for the training cycle prior. This plan is completely outside of my comfort zone. I'm not good at speed workouts, plain and simple. But that's exactly why I'm planning on devoting a cycle to it, because I'm not good at it. To be the best runner I can be, I need to try and maximize all of my skills and deficiencies.

How to decide my pacing

So I need to decide what my current fitness level is. Best way to determine current fitness is to evaluate recent race performances.

Disney 5k - 21:02
Disney 10k - 43:25
Disney Marathon - 3:20:52

I don't necessarily feel any of these three are a perfect match for my current fitness level. I feel as if the 5k and 10k were skewed by the poor congested starts, and because of the large race scenario it was more difficult to run the tangents and hit 3.1/6.2 closely. I feel the marathon is likely slightly skewed by the existence of the 5k and 10k.

So I came up with the following solution. Instead of looking at the times for the 5k/10k, I'll evaluate them based on the pace run during them. And I'll evaluate the 5k based on the 2nd/3rd mile and the 10k based on every mile except mile 1. I'm fairly confident the GPS data I was receiving was as accurate as the GPS data that I would use at home in training. Thus, I feel this is an appropriate method for determining my current fitness.

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The 5k average pace is a 6:32 min/mile (or a 20:15) and the 10k average pace is a 6:47 min/mile (or a 42:03).

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These paces (6:32 and 6:47) actually fall very closely in line with each other for race equivalency. In addition, I feel the HM (1:33:16) and M (3:14:15) are very reasonable estimates at my current fitness as well.

I also needed to evaluate these paces for Jack Daniels specific workouts. My 5k/10k paces gave me a VDOT value of 49 which gives very close estimates for other race distances to my race equivalency calculator hybrid from Hansons. All of this put together gives me the following training cycle paces:

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Everything looks to be in line. Easy around 9:01 min/mile, LR around 8:04, and M Tempo around 7:25 all match well to my last cycles "effort" based pacing. Then the new paces of "T" (Lactate Threshold), "I" (Interval Pacing based on duration), and "R" (Repetition). WAIT, WHAT?!?!!?! :scared1: IS THAT A 5!!! in front of a number. :faint: This is going to be interesting... Thankfully the "R" paces are kept to 200m or 400m and no longer. That's 44 seconds for the 200m and 88 seconds for the 400m.

The Training Plan

So, Dopey (the marathon) ended on 1/8/17. As is my standard plan, I took off from running for two weeks. I do this to assist my body in making a full recovery after the marathon. The easiest thing to point to as to why the 14 day period exists is the mitochondria. The mitochondria follow a 14 day life cycle. So 14 days after the marathon, there should be no or 1/14th remaining of the mitochondria from the marathon event itself. Otherwise all of the damaged mitochondria are now gone and have been refreshed. This is just one biophysical thing going on, but just another example as to why I choose to do no running for 14 days after a hard marathon effort.

Even after 14 days off, I still need time to get my body fully recovered. So, I follow the two weeks off with two weeks of just easy running. I consider these two sections my Recovery Phase.

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On 2/5/17, the recovery phase ends and the endurance base building phase begins. Normally, I would jump right into a new training cycle after the recovery phase (2 off + 2 easy) is over. But when entering a very speed heavy training plan you really need to make sure the body is prepped and ready. So, I've included an additional 3 weeks of endurance base building prior to the Daniels 5k training beginning.

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On 2/27/17, it BEGINS! The "easy" days in a Daniels plan are open ended and not defined. From my personal experience, I found that easy needs to be kept at ~60 minutes or less. Based on my "easy" pace of 9:01 min/mile that worked itself out to 7 miles max. The other open ended part of the Daniels plan was the "long run". He defines that as no more than 25% of the weekly mileage (or capped at 120 minutes) whichever occurs first. For me and based on the 7 mile easy run, it made my "long run" maxed at 13 miles. I hit the % of week mileage before I hit the duration max for his plan. The two speed days: R pace and T pace are defined by a duration and % of total weekly mileage. If I ran more miles (and thus in turn I must be faster), then I would run more intervals of R and T. But the key is that the % of the week would remain the same and the duration of the workout would remain the same. So, if I made this plan for someone with a slower race equivalency profile, then the number of intervals for that other person would be lower, but when evaluating our plans next to each other the easy, hard, and total time spent training would be very similar. You can see this when you evaluate Daniels 40-50 mile 10k plan vs the 60-70 mile 10k plan. They're different in number of intervals, but similar in duration when evaluating based on pace/time.

Another thing to consider is the inaccuracy of my GPS device. The Garmin 235 is good, but for 200m and 400m it isn't accurate enough. My choices were a high school track (or something similar) or to satellite map out 200m and 400m in my normal running route using man made objects (like sewers, manholes, light poles). I've chosen to go the satellite route since I don't have many options around here otherwise. My plan is to setup my Garmin with duration goals of 2:00 and 4:00 to represent 200m and 400m. I'll hit the lap button manually at the beginning and end of the man made objects to accurately assess the distance. This way I'll have a visual cue (2:00 or 4:00) to tell me whether to run 200m or 400m, yet it won't screw anything up if the GPS is off (hence why I won't set the GPS watch to do 200m and 400m). This plan is going to require a lot of visual memorization and a lot of Garmin programming.

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Every few weeks I dropped the plans mileage to attempt to induce bone recovery. Ideally this is done every 4th week. So the plan typically follows a schedule of high, medium, high, and then low mileage. The levels are relatively defined against each other.

Gigi has signed up for Super Hero tumbling which happens on Mondays in March. Anytime she has one of these classes (I believe only 4 total) then I'll just move the "Monday" run to Wednesday instead. Since it's an easy day to an off day, it's a super easy fix.

A huge outlier from my normal training is the shift from 80/20. Normally, my training follows an 80% easy and 20% hard split (with M Tempo being defined as hard and LR being defined as easy). However, because of Daniels double speed days and M Tempo workouts every other week it forces the ratio off of 80/20 and to a split of 70/30. I trust Daniels and will follow his methodology as prescribed.

Occasionally, Daniels' schedule had a speed day on back to back days. In the text of the plan, he says that if you feel that's too much then you could put easy/off days in between. I'm not confident in doing back to back speed days. It would elicit greater benefits based on the theory of cumulative fatigue, but it also brings with it a huge injury risk. A risk I'm not willing to take. I'm already considering this plan high risk because of the multiple speed days. And I'm not willing to push my luck by putting them back to back.

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My first proposed race is 4/1/17: Parkinson's 5k in Cottage Grove. This race is literally a 10 minute walk or a 2 minute drive from my house. I've participated in the half marathon twice, but never done the 5k. The 5k does have a pretty steep hill and a compacted gravel path out and back. Neither of which are ideal for a 5k PR, but they make for an interesting race environment. Since my focus this cycle is on speed my goal is to focus my races on 5k and 10ks. I haven't decided whether I will or won't run this and I have until mid-March before the next price increase. The plan would have a slight adjustment on 4/1 if I decided to run the race. Technically, this race would still be during the heavy training portion of the cycle and not yet in the "race season" section. So I wouldn't be at peak, and thus I'm 50/50 on whether I'll do it.

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On 4/16/17 is the only run of the cycle over 105 minutes, and thus the only run I plan on taking nutrition.

The second possible race is on 4/22/17 (unconfirmed date). There was a cheap bare bones 5k in Madison (about 15 min drive) on that weekend last year. The course was relatively flat for around here so it would be a nice choice and further into training.

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The end of the training season of the Daniels 10k plan (and thus beginning of race season) is 5/22/17. You can see over the course of the plan how the paces shift from super fast (R) to the "slower" I and T paces. He also elongates the distance/duration covered. This matches Arthur Lydiard's model of specialization (another of my favorites). As you move closer to race day, the paces in training should converge around desired race pace.

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RACE SEASON! So the ending phase of Daniels 10k plan is devoted to racing. The training is just maintenance and now the fun begins. I have two 10ks on my calendar penciled in (yet to sign up). There is the Madison Twilight 10k on 5/27. A hilly night course through downtown Madison. It would also be a nice competitive mix given my estimated finishing time.

The other is the Hot 2 Trot 10k in Cottage Grove. The race date hasn't been confirmed yet, but I'm near 100% confirmed for this race so I can get redemption for last year's race. I intended to go top 5 and top 3 in age group awards so I could get a sweet fireman bobble head award. But I was clipped within 100m of the finish line and came in 4th place (AG) by a few mere seconds. Since myself and my fellow runner both live locally in Cottage Grove, I fully anticipate he'll be back too. I vowed for revenge, and thus I'm in. Here's a recap from last year's race.

This race will bring an end to the Daniels 10k plan for me. After the Hot 2 Trot 10k, I'll move into a brief endurance phase (to give myself a tiny break) and then into the Lakefront Marathon training cycle for my first BQ attempt.

Goals

-To get more comfortable running fast. I'd like to be able to raise my speed cap (VO2max) so that I can run further faster and without as much effort.
-Stay injury free.
-Sub 20 5k or Sub 40 10k. Getting either of these will give me even more confidence in trying to hit a sub 3 marathon in October. I don't have to have this goal, but it's a benchmark I can use to measure progress. Race day conditions will always dictate the feasibility of time goals.

The one thing I won't due is risk my ability to race my October marathon BQ attempt well with this training cycle. I am fully prepared to scrap this entire training cycle if things don't feel right. I'm not a speed runner and thus I'm not sure how my body will tolerate these paces (again a 5 ?!??!??!? :wave2:). So if things don't feel right, or if I'm not hitting the paces as scheduled, or if I find myself consistently fading on these runs, then I'll shut it down and move back to my speciality of endurance training.

Alright, that's all I got. I'm excited and nervous to try something new. Excited because it might be a fun new type of punishment. And nervous because it will definitely be a new type of punishment. So, what do you think? :scratchin

Edit to add: Also, it's winter in Wisconsin. Which means there very likely could be snow or ice on any of these training days. My policy will be any speed/M tempo day with adverse road conditions will be moved to an easy day when I see fit. Again it does me no good to attempt to run a speed interval session through a couple inches of snow/ice. It just won't work and it's to high an injury risk.
 
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That 5!!!

Since I can't wrap my brain around the concept of running a mile in 5+ minutes (no matter how many olympics/marathons I have watched on tv)...let alone running at that pace for even 44 seconds...I will pretend like I know what I am talking about and say YOU CAN DO IT! Even though I literally can't wrap my head around what that thing even is.

It's cool that you are trying something new and I look forward to seeing how it goes for you. I still think 8's are scary, so have fun with those 5's :)

P.S. Anytime anyone types BQ I just automatically start wanting BBQ.
 


That 5!!!

Since I can't wrap my brain around the concept of running a mile in 5+ minutes (no matter how many olympics/marathons I have watched on tv)...let alone running at that pace for even 44 seconds...I will pretend like I know what I am talking about and say YOU CAN DO IT! Even though I literally can't wrap my head around what that thing even is.

I'm in the same :boat:. I can't even fathom what that's going to feel like. My "estimated best effort" for 400m which occurred during my Disney 5k is 1:31. That's 91 seconds. And I'm suppose to do 88 seconds multiple times. :faint: I'm going to try, but I know it's entirely possible I'm going to fail hard at this. While you pretend saying you know I can do this, I'll just sit here with the same confidence ::yes::.

It's cool that you are trying something new and I look forward to seeing how it goes for you. I still think 8's are scary, so have fun with those 5's :)

Thanks! All in an effort to maximize. I remember when 8 was scary, and then 7, and I really never thought I'd get over 6. But 5!!! That's like crazy territory...

P.S. Anytime anyone types BQ I just automatically start wanting BBQ.

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Does that make you hungry for some BBQ? popcorn::
 
Surprise email from runDisney just now. They gave me a link as a past participant to sign up for Marathon Weekend 2018 (plus $10 off). Steph and I had decided that no matter what I was going. Who comes with me is an unknown? Might be solo, might be a group, don't know.

But what I do know is... I'm in for Dopey #5 and will cement my status as a Dopey Legacy (or Perfect Dopey). That means I need to start working on my custom singlet celebrating the occasion. I'm stoked!
 


Congrats on the registration. Still need to decide if we want to register this early or not.

Thanks! And I totally agree! ::yes:: I wasn't prepared financially to make that decision, but it's really only shifting a few things for the next month. And now I can relax on general registration day and not worry about anything (except maybe my mom's registration since she hasn't let me know what she wants to do yet). I'm hoping that with being a legacy going forward that this is how all registrations will be (because it's my understanding legacy runners sign up before AP/DVC with a special link). Although I venture to guess that after Dopey 2018 things are going to calm down quite a bit, just a guess though.
 
Training plan looks great! And congrats on making the decision for Dopey next year! I think I'll be waiting at least until 2019 to run Disney again . . . it's just so expensive!
 
Your paces for upcoming training block are pretty similar to mine for my last training block. The interval and repeat paces I find kind of fun because like you said they are short bursts. Too bad you don't have a track readily available to you. What kind of runs are you doing at threshold pace? I found those to be the runs I struggled with the most. Seems like you won't have any trouble going sub 20. 10k is a different deal but I bet you can get there.
 
Training plan looks great! And congrats on making the decision for Dopey next year! I think I'll be waiting at least until 2019 to run Disney again . . . it's just so expensive!

Thanks! I'd say it might look a tad familiar. ;)

So so agree! ::yes:: It's pretty much the only thing we do in an entire year. Then the rest of the year is spent saving for our one trip. Lots of eggs in one basket.

Your paces for upcoming training block are pretty similar to mine for my last training block. The interval and repeat paces I find kind of fun because like you said they are short bursts. Too bad you don't have a track readily available to you. What kind of runs are you doing at threshold pace? I found those to be the runs I struggled with the most. Seems like you won't have any trouble going sub 20. 10k is a different deal but I bet you can get there.

I'm hoping I find it to be as fun as you had with it.

The threshold runs (6:56 min/mile) appear to be like these:
-6 x 1 mile with 1 min rest intervals
-4 x 1 mile with 1 min rest intervals
-3 miles at T then some 200m repeats then 2 miles at T
-3 miles at T then some 200m repeats then 3 miles at T

I can probably tolerate those better than the R and I paces even though they're short. I'm just not an overly fast person, more endurance based. I'm really interested to see how it goes though.

I'd agree that the sub 20 5k is definitely easier and more attainable than the sub 40 10k. If I were going straight in line with the race equivalency then I really should be shooting for a 19:13 5k and 40:00 10k. That would put me at a 3:04 race equivalent marathon. I'll be really interested to see what I can do in a good weather (unlike last year's Hot2Trot with temp of 80+) solo 5k/10k race. I'd venture to guess I'll be in the 20:xx and 41:xx range.
 
Good luck with the new training plan. It's good to switch things up now and then. I agree, a sub 20 5k is definitely achievable and who knows with perfect weather and a flat course for a 10k?

More thoughts/questions about your trip report:
-no congestion at the marathon?
-how do miniwaves work?
-I think it's awesome you stuck with Steph when G had a meltdown. It's easy to make a tough situation worse, so it's great you guys presented a united front.
 
Congrats on the registration. Still need to decide if we want to register this early or not.

Of course you do! Share the link with @roxymama too, as she will need it as well. :)

More thoughts/questions about your trip report:
-no congestion at the marathon?
-how do miniwaves work?
-I think it's awesome you stuck with Steph when G had a meltdown. It's easy to make a tough situation worse, so it's great you guys presented a united front.

The miniwaves were new this year. Rather than let each corral go all at once, they would let the first 25-30% of people in the corral go, wait two minutes, release some more, and repeat. I thought it was very effective in reducing the congestion and crowding. 300 people running out every two minutes is better than 1200 every six.
 
I love the idea of mini waves. I'm not even close to fast, but when the 10K course is so congested that it takes me 20 minutes to run my first mile something definitely needs further addressing.
 
Thanks! I'd say it might look a tad familiar. ;)

So so agree! ::yes:: It's pretty much the only thing we do in an entire year. Then the rest of the year is spent saving for our one trip. Lots of eggs in one basket.



I'm hoping I find it to be as fun as you had with it.

The threshold runs (6:56 min/mile) appear to be like these:
-6 x 1 mile with 1 min rest intervals
-4 x 1 mile with 1 min rest intervals
-3 miles at T then some 200m repeats then 2 miles at T
-3 miles at T then some 200m repeats then 3 miles at T

I can probably tolerate those better than the R and I paces even though they're short. I'm just not an overly fast person, more endurance based. I'm really interested to see how it goes though.

I'd agree that the sub 20 5k is definitely easier and more attainable than the sub 40 10k. If I were going straight in line with the race equivalency then I really should be shooting for a 19:13 5k and 40:00 10k. That would put me at a 3:04 race equivalent marathon. I'll be really interested to see what I can do in a good weather (unlike last year's Hot2Trot with temp of 80+) solo 5k/10k race. I'd venture to guess I'll be in the 20:xx and 41:xx range.

Well fun may not the right word :) but it was nice to open it up for short bursts. Those are some tough threshold runs especially those last two. They really test you. Good luck with the plan!
 
-no congestion at the marathon?

That's true. Last year I was in corral C and had congestion in a few locations:

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-Mile 1.5 when you are on a single lane changing roads.
-Mile 6 through 8 when you're going through "cone alley".

When you are that far up in the corrals that's pretty much it. The beginning isn't congested because it's a multi-lane road start. So lots of room for the first 1.5 miles to do whatever you want.

Two main differences this year why I had even less congestion during the marathon:

-Corral B instead of Corral C. This put about 500 less people in front of me.
-No half marathon. Because the HM was cancelled I was fresher for the M and thus faster through the first few miles then last year. This meant I was passing more people than usual, whereas in Dopey year's prior I typically had a much slower start than the people around me.

-how do miniwaves work?

See @FFigawi response. I didn't really experience this because of being in Corral A mini-wave 1.

-I think it's awesome you stuck with Steph when G had a meltdown. It's easy to make a tough situation worse, so it's great you guys presented a united front.

It was tough. I was disappointed and mad at that moment because we had to cancel my mom and I's celebration dinner at Brown Derby. I was also looking forward to Star Wars fireworks. But in the end I have to support my wife's decision, so not a peep from me. I could tell even though I wasn't present during the situation that it clearly frustrated Steph. It probably was the climax of the issues she was having and her final breaking point.

Of course you do! Share the link with @roxymama too, as she will need it as well. :)

LOL!

I love the idea of mini waves. I'm not even close to fast, but when the 10K course is so congested that it takes me 20 minutes to run my first mile something definitely needs further addressing.

Yikes! Yea, that's all I need to hear to know that the mini-waves probably helped to a point.

Well fun may not the right word :) but it was nice to open it up for short bursts. Those are some tough threshold runs especially those last two. They really test you. Good luck with the plan!

Thanks! Fingers crossed!

Done and done. I'm such a sucker.

LOL!


:lmao:
 
I can speak to the congestion in the marathon -- I felt it badly at the first part of the race. I was in Corral P (the last one) and the frustration came from the walkers mostly, especially when there was only room for six people abreast (at time early in the race). While I found that most people were pretty good about the "only walk/run in groups of two" rule, if you had a road with the capacity for six runners and you have two groups of two, it can be very frustrating. I found that I was passing walkers all through the race, at least until I hit the wall around mile 21 or so.

Another point that I found with tons of congestion was at the Boardwalk area. There, the lanes shrink to being able to get maybe four people abreast and it was pretty crowded.
 

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