Tipping Tipping Tipping....the dreaded tipping thread. LOL ?????? Please

[Morgstar]

I am going to give Cinderbear the benefit of the doubt and assume that he gets good tips because he is always very nice and helpful.

However, and please feel free to correct me if i am wrong, I was under the impression that tipping was something you do to show your appriciation for good service, not something that is to be taken for granted.

If servers did take it for granted that they would get 20% or $2 per then surley their standards would drop as they would become complacent.

As far as i am concerned if a server goes out of their way to make my meal/stay/whatever more pleasurable then i will show my appriciation if the form of a gratuity. If they merely do their job(that which has been laid down in their jib spec by their employers) then surley all we are required to do as customers is pay the bill.

When servers start to take tips for granted then surely their standards will drop?

I class myself as a good tipper and should i recieve a good service i will tip 20% or more in some cases, but equally if i dont feel i have recieved a service that is up to scratch i will tip porrley or not at all. I dont feel bad if i dont tip.

 

[edk35]

Question? When you moved across the hall why didn't you roll your luggage across the hall?

I tip $1/bag when someone helps me. Just recently, within the last 12 months I've increased my standard 15% waiter tip to 20%. And I mainly did this because I have some VERY CHEAP friends who never tip their 15%. I feel bad for the waiters so now I just tip 20%, hoping my friends at least tip 10%. And on top of not tipping appropriately they have the nerve to want everything prepared a special way. AARRGGHH!?!??!?! So it takes 5 minutes for them to place an order and 5 minutes for the waiter to make sure they have the order correct.

The room was not ready. WE had to be out of the one room by 11 and the other would not be ready til 4:00. OH trust me...it it were empty and clean we would have done that.

 

[edk35]

Okay getting this thread back on track again. LOL So when you pull up in front of your resort....the Bell Service guy rolls the cart up and places it on the cart to store.....I should have not tipped him 10 bucks. Save this for the person that brought it to our actualy room?? My driver took our luggage out of his SUV and handed it to the bell services guy. So very little work was done by the bell service that initially took our luggage. That guy told me..."another person will be taking your luggage to your room". SO that was a signal to me to tip him then and there. So I did. I think 5 bucks would have been plenty now looking back....that is what I did when we checked out of BWV 8 days later. They just rolled it out to my driver and he placed it in the SUV not the bell service guy.

 

[maxiesmom]

I never understood the "if you don't like it find another career" argument. If service providers are not paid a livable wage and we all go onto some other career who will serve your dinner, carry your luggage, cut your hair, drive your taxi, etc. Remember you "have to depend on other people" to provide these services for you. So is it not fair that we expect an appropiate tip from you in return to pay our bills. If it helps you to think of the tip as a charge for the service, just like a mechanic, than that's fine. Think of it as our charge. Think of us as independant contractors if you must. Most service workers don't even make minimum wage because the employment laws state that if it is resonably "expected" that the employee will be compensated the majority of their pay from tips then a company does not have to pay them the minimum wage. So the paycheck we get doesn't really cover anything. Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education. Now having said that I make a resonable living wage where I work thanks to the generosity of most of our guest. No, I don't make 83k a year because the truth is there are some people who stiff us or who haven't updated their tipping schedule for the last 15 years. Like all of you we deal with the increased gas prices, astronomical housing prices, and general inflation. $1 per bag may have been the norm back when, but trust me it is not any longer. Inflation hits EVERY area of the economy including the service sector. My original post was meant to educate not to incite. The numbers I used are real they are not my ideal or fairy tale numbers as one poster suggested. If you don't believe me ask your bellman what the norm is, or better yet become a service worker for a month and see if you don't change your opinion. I find it strange that the people most adamant about not tipping or not tipping the proper amount most likely have never worked in the service industry. This is my last post concerning this topic. I know some of you understand where I'm coming from and I also know some of you will just never get it or don't want to get it.

Well, if you ever once were able to prove your minimums, then maybe you would have gotten better responses. Just your telling us what tips should be doesn't cut it. Three web sites provided beg to differ with you. As far as inflation goes, that is taken care of with the raise you get every year.

If you find what people are offering you (as a tip is NOT a right, but a bonus for good service) insulting, then maybe you should refuse to take it.

 

[edk35]

I really think it depends on where one works as a bell service person as far as how much they get per bag. I can see high end hotels in big cities their bell service people making bigger tips and maybe really fancy/plush resorts too. I however don't see Disney Resorts bell people getting huge tips per bag now that I have read this thread. I just kind of wanted to know..who to tip and how much when you have two different people handling your luggage, from the car to storage and then from storage to the room.

 

[mgilmer]

I never understood the "if you don't like it find another career" argument. If service providers are not paid a livable wage and we all go onto some other career who will serve your dinner, carry your luggage, cut your hair, drive your taxi, etc. Remember you "have to depend on other people" to provide these services for you. So is it not fair that we expect an appropiate tip from you in return to pay our bills. If it helps you to think of the tip as a charge for the service, just like a mechanic, than that's fine. Think of it as our charge. Think of us as independant contractors if you must. Most service workers don't even make minimum wage because the employment laws state that if it is resonably "expected" that the employee will be compensated the majority of their pay from tips then a company does not have to pay them the minimum wage. So the paycheck we get doesn't really cover anything. Every one of the 15 bellman on staff at my resort have college degrees so please don't offend me by telling me to get an education. Now having said that I make a resonable living wage where I work thanks to the generosity of most of our guest. No, I don't make 83k a year because the truth is there are some people who stiff us or who haven't updated their tipping schedule for the last 15 years. Like all of you we deal with the increased gas prices, astronomical housing prices, and general inflation. $1 per bag may have been the norm back when, but trust me it is not any longer. Inflation hits EVERY area of the economy including the service sector. My original post was meant to educate not to incite. The numbers I used are real they are not my ideal or fairy tale numbers as one poster suggested. If you don't believe me ask your bellman what the norm is, or better yet become a service worker for a month and see if you don't change your opinion. I find it strange that the people most adamant about not tipping or not tipping the proper amount most likely have never worked in the service industry. This is my last post concerning this topic. I know some of you understand where I'm coming from and I also know some of you will just never get it or don't want to get it.

 

[Roxane]

As far as inflation goes, that is taken care of with the raise you get every year.

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In which fantasy world are you living? Here in FL nobody in a service job gets raises that actually match the cost of living expenses. They would have to give me a 50% raise just to cover the increases to property tax and home owners insurance the last few years. I'm not even going to do the math to include gas and everything else going up associated with gas prices.

Give the poor guy a break, he was only trying to educate you people on proper tipping.

 

[disneyfantotheend]

I do understand you do not get paid well, but truly I think the biggest problem is that these minimum tips are expected. Minimum would mean to me, no matter the service. I think if you truly value your tips, you would give good service. Which would mean that most people would give above minimum tips. I always give more for good service. But the fact is that it is just expected no matter the service and that is not right. And I am not saying any of you who are posting these "minimums" are not good at what you do. I am just saying that by minimum to me insinuates no matter what, it is what you are to give. Some say well maybe this one or that one was having a bad day. Well that is fine and she will get a small tip from me (I would never regardless of service leave no tip), when she has her better day, she can get better tips and make up for it.

 

[maxiesmom]

As far as inflation goes, that is taken care of with the raise you get every year.

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In which fantasy world are you living? Here in FL nobody in a service job gets raises that actually match the cost of living expenses. They would have to give me a 50% raise just to cover the increases to property tax and home owners insurance the last few years. I'm not even going to do the math to include gas and everything else going up associated with gas prices.

Give the poor guy a break, he was only trying to educate you people on proper tipping.

If he is trying to educate us, where is his proof to back up what he is saying? His education has consisted of him telling us what he expects. That is it. He could claim that people should call him His Royal Higness, but it doesn't make it true. And I dont think that tips are meant to cover his cost of living increases either. The majority of us are forced to do more with comparitively less money each year. But we do not have the opportunity to hit up the general public for more money to make up the difference, which is what cindybear is attempting to do.

You may be in a tipped position, but you still need to earn your tip. Unless you can prove the guidlines have changed (which you haven't yet) I will still do what I know to be the norm, and what 3 other sites have confirmed. If you find you are not making enough money in your tipped job, then you can either change positions or learn to be happy with what you are being tipped

 

[ICF]

Tips should be earned, not expected.

 

[mom2my3kids]

I need some help, I know how to tip at table service meals I am a server. But when it comes to other stuff on vacation I have no idea. I tip for housekeeping, what else do I need to tip for??

We are flying and will be using the park service for our car, they will be shuttling us over to the airport. We are using DME to our resort at POP and using DME to get back to the airport then the shuttle back to the place who is keeping our vehicle.. Do you tip the shuttle guy? Do you tip the DME drivers? I don't think we will have bellhops at POP but if someone takes our luggage to our room do we tip them??

Thanks

 

[maxiesmom]

I need some help, I know how to tip at table service meals I am a server. But when it comes to other stuff on vacation I have no idea. I tip for housekeeping, what else do I need to tip for??

We are flying and will be using the park service for our car, they will be shuttling us over to the airport. We are using DME to our resort at POP and using DME to get back to the airport then the shuttle back to the place who is keeping our vehicle.. Do you tip the shuttle guy? Do you tip the DME drivers? I don't think we will have bellhops at POP but if someone takes our luggage to our room do we tip them??

Thanks

Page 2 of this thread has some good links on what are tipped positions and what tips are expected.

 

[mom2my3kids]

WOW I am shocked at how many tipping positions are listed..What is a sky cab? This is my first time flying so I hope my question is not silly..We vacation but its normally to the beach and not a fancy hotel. We like the smaller ones and there are no bellhops and such..only housekeeping which we tip..

 

[PaulaSB12]

Okay, I could write a huge response to this thread, but I'll keep it simple. I'm posting this under my fiancee's username but I just had to voice my opinion. I am a bellman and my fiancee is a cocktail server at a five diamond resort so I feel very qualified to respond. $2 per bag for a typically sized bag is the MINIMUM! If your bag is extremely heavy $5 per bag is MINIMUM! If you are having food or beverage service and the service was good a 20% tip is the MINIMUM! Again these are minimums expected for basic service, if you should get above average service you should give an above average tip. $1 per bag to a bellman or a 10% tip for your waitress is an insult. As for you Canron thank GOD for karma, I can only believe that you get the service you pay for. I'm sure you expect to be paid for doing your job and so do we. Trust me, anybody who works for a resort is not getting rich. We depend on tips to make the bulk of our pay. So if you want a genuine smile and friendly hello from your service workers be sure to show how much you appreciate our hard work. Thank you's are nice but they don't pay the bills.

This is what makes tipping so irritating the demand for a MINIMUM amount, if 18% is good enough for disney that is what you will get. Demanding a minimum is not going to make me tip more in fact I will tip the 18% exactly and not one cent more to that sort of attitude!

 

[Mickiethepooh]

WOW I am shocked at how many tipping positions are listed..What is a sky cab? This is my first time flying so I hope my question is not silly..We vacation but its normally to the beach and not a fancy hotel. We like the smaller ones and there are no bellhops and such..only housekeeping which we tip..

Sky Cap's are the porters at the airport, they are unionized workers. they do not work for any airline. They are the ones you see taking people luggage and or pushing wheelchairs.

 

[mom2my3kids]

So once we arrive at the airport, the sky caps get our luggage off the shuttle? Do you always have a sky cap helping you? Like I said we have never flown so I am pretty naive on this and want to make sure I tip the people I really should be tipping..

 

[cinderbear]

Well, if you ever once were able to prove your minimums, then maybe you would have gotten better responses. Just your telling us what tips should be doesn't cut it. Three web sites provided beg to differ with you.

"Where? Where is the proof? I don't see this in print. It therefore is not true!" Is that your contention or am I mistaken. Well let me say this. Long before it was in a book the world was in fact round and not flat like some had believed. The world did not magically morph into a sphere once the facts went to the printing press. There was a housing bust long before you could find an article from the assosiation of realtors admitting to a drop in housing prices. I could go on and on about how things were in fact a truth long before you could read about it. The facts are a coke is no longer a nickel, a loaf of bread is no longer a dime, and tipping standards have increased. Just because you don't like the facts or have not yet seen it in print does not make it any less of being a FACT. Yes, the world is indeed round and not flat as you may want to believe.

 

[Jubilee]

I tip $1 per bag, and believe me, bell captains are always kind of shocked to get a tip at all from a single woman, $10 and $20 a pop seems extreme. (And believe me, I'm a good tipper, at restaurants and elsewhere.)

But $10 for every time you moved your bags? Ouch!

agree!0

 

[maxiesmom]

"Where? Where is the proof? I don't see this in print. It therefore is not true!" Is that your contention or am I mistaken. Well let me say this. Long before it was in a book the world was in fact round and not flat like some had believed. The world did not magically morph into a sphere once the facts went to the printing press. There was a housing bust long before you could find an article from the assosiation of realtors admitting to a drop in housing prices. I could go on and on about how things were in fact a truth long before you could read about it. The facts are a coke is no longer a nickel, a loaf of bread is no longer a dime, and tipping standards have increased. Just because you don't like the facts or have not yet seen it in print does not make it any less of being a FACT. Yes, the world is indeed round and not flat as you may want to believe.

And your saying something is does not make it so. In fact there have been 3 other sites provided that state tipping rates that do not agree with you. I'm sorry, but I am not going to take the word of someone who has a personal investment in stating that the norm for tipping a waitress is 20%, or that $2 per bag is the norm for putting bags on a cart and wheeling them to my room.

The fact is you have nothing to prove your statement except you say-so. And I will continue to rely on more credible sources on who and how much to tip.

I wanted to add that I have worked in retail sales for 20 years. A service position that accepts no tips! So when I go out, I normally over tip. But I will not have someone who is in a tipped position tell me what they expect for a tip!

 

[Robert P]

The numbers I used are real they are not my ideal or fairy tale numbers as one poster suggested. If you don't believe me ask your bellman what the norm is, or better yet become a service worker for a month and see if you don't change your opinion. I find it strange that the people most adamant about not tipping or not tipping the proper amount most likely have never worked in the service industry. This is my last post concerning this topic. I know some of you understand where I'm coming from and I also know some of you will just never get it or don't want to get it.

You can't be serious??? Asking the person who derives direct benefit from their answer is akin to asking the fox to guard the hen house!

I will counter your 'real' numbers (with no proof offered at all, by the way), with the very real information available from other independent sources, who don't have a vested interest in overstating any amounts with their information.

I think most of us do 'get it' - you flew in here with a newly created user name, and tried to lecture us on minimum amounts (to directly benefit your own profession), while offering absolutely no proof except 'your opinion'. Then, when faced with reliable facts, you folded your argument faster than Superman on laundry day.
Adios!