Tipping suggestion on receipt

[disneychrista]

Question for those in sub-minimum wage jobs? How much does your typical pub/diner charge for a basic cheeseburger? Just trying to get a comparison since my state pays servers full minimum wage. Since everyone assume that menu prices will raise dramatically if wages were increased.

Many of the restaurants in Seattle have eliminated tipping. They just charge a 20% service charge.

So a forced tip that I am HOPING actually goes to the server because "service charges" aren't technically tips.

 

[LSUmiss]

Question for those in sub-minimum wage jobs? How much does your typical pub/diner charge for a basic cheeseburger? Just trying to get a comparison since my state pays servers full minimum wage.


So a forced tip that I am HOPING actually goes to the server because "service charges" aren't technically tips.

Right so to me tipping is better.

 

[Hikergirl]

You can adjust if you want

I'm not sure how I feel about a service charge, I think it leaves room for an employer to not give it to the server.
I also don't like being automatically charged a "tip" because my choice is to tip on the kind of service I get. It being adjustable is a good thing, but again I'm not sure I agree with employers doing it that way because it can make it easy to cheat the server out of their "tips".

 

[disneychrista]

Right so to me tipping is better.

Of course it is because then it is left up to the patron to decide what (if anything) the service warrants.

 

[mjkacmom]

Question for those in sub-minimum wage jobs? How much does your typical pub/diner charge for a basic cheeseburger? Just trying to get a comparison since my state pays servers full minimum wage.


So a forced tip that I am HOPING actually goes to the server because "service charges" aren't technically tips.

I’d say between $8 - $15, based on restaurants I can walk to from my house.

 

[skyblue17]

General question for those who are particular about tipping. When you DO go out with a group of six or more, and the gratuity is included in the bill and you do not have the option to adjust the tip without flat-out not paying what you are charged, do you still go through this mental exercise, or is it only when it comes down to two or three dollars going to a college student who has the nerve to be a server at a restaurant instead of getting a "real minimum wage job"?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Oh...I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t give ppl much credit at all. And, then I see things irl or read things on these boards that seem to confirm my opinions.

That's fine. But it really is different than extropolating out to everyone. Once you start labeling people as stiffing and cheap you turn the discussion into something different especially given that you've got quite the black and white hard line for what you consider stiffing and a cheap person.

I don't downgrade my tip for just about nothing. My order may be wrong, you may not have checked on me much at all or basically not at all, you're slow to give me my check even after I asked for it, and so many other things but I'm not really going to downgrade my tip for it even if it's within my rights to do so. I can't even recall a time that I have though I'm sure I've done it a handful of times in my lifetime.

And I guess so be it that you consider me cheap or stiffing the waiter/waitress because I didn't give the exact base tip that you use but that's what I meant by broaden your horizons when you look at people. I'm not judging those who choose to downgrade their tip for the things I generally won't. It just takes a lot more for me to do that. That's what I meant by severe transgressions. Tipping below 18% is just not severe for me to judge a person the way you do though of course it's your opinion just giving mine. Conversely the other things I mentioned aren't severe enough for me to downgrade my tip. I'd like to think the majority of people are like that though I have no evidence to back it up.

 

[sam_gordon]

That’s just an excuse used to dismiss someone’s experience. A pp said her dd provided good service & was stiffed on a tip & instead of being empathetic that it sucks, ppl argue that maybe the service she provided wasn’t as good as she thought it was.

And what about the PP who told the story about the absolutely terrible service provided and the server chased them out of the restaurant because he wasn't happy with the tip that was left?

 

[skyblue17]

Question for those in sub-minimum wage jobs? How much does your typical pub/diner charge for a basic cheeseburger? Just trying to get a comparison since my state pays servers full minimum wage. Since everyone assume that menu prices will raise dramatically if wages were increased.


So a forced tip that I am HOPING actually goes to the server because "service charges" aren't technically tips.

Cheeseburgers in my neighborhood at sitdown restaurants are usually between $10 and $12. That's lower than the average of the actual city I live in, where you definitely see cheeseburgers for up to $15 (assuming they are not higher end cheeseburgers).

 

[Hikergirl]

General question for those who are particular about tipping. When you DO go out with a group of six or more, and the gratuity is included in the bill and you do not have the option to adjust the tip without flat-out not paying what you are charged, do you still go through this mental exercise, or is it only when it comes down to two or three dollars going to a college student who has the nerve to be a server at a restaurant instead of getting a "real minimum wage job"?

I'm not sure what you consider being particular about tipping. I personally tip according to the service I receive using 20% as my standard for good service. If a server goes above and beyond then I would tip more depending on that, even on a bill that had an automatic gratuity added.
On the same token, if the service was bad I would speak with the manager and explain why I will not pay the auto 20%.

 

[sam_gordon]

Why wouldn't a server know if he wasn’t doing a good job? Some days you just phone it in, maybe because you aren’t feeling well, are exhausted, or have other things on your mind. Heck, I’m a SAHM, some days I rock it, other days I might slack. I certainly know the difference.

I'm sure servers know whether they did a good job or not. But there are definitely servers (not all of them) who think they've done a good job and the customer disagrees. So who's right? Doing away with EXPECTED tipping eliminates the difference of opinion. Tips should not be expected IMO. I don't expect tips when I do my job. Oh, but they're in the service industry, right? What about the fast food workers? What about contractors? What about the Target employee who helps you find an item? Should they be tipped? Oh wait, they make minimum wage.

 

[LSUmiss]

That's fine. But it really is different than extropolating out to everyone. Once you start labeling people as stiffing and cheap you turn the discussion into something different especially given that you've got quite the black and white hard line for what you consider stiffing and a cheap person.

I don't downgrade my tip for just about nothing. My order may be wrong, you may not have checked on me much at all or basically not at all, you're slow to give me my check even after I asked for it, and so many other things but I'm not really going to downgrade my tip for it even if it's within my rights to do so. I can't even recall a time that I have though I'm sure I've done it a handful of times in my lifetime.

And I guess so be it that you consider me cheap or stiffing the waiter/waitress because I didn't give the exact base tip that you use but that's what I meant by broaden your horizons when you look at people. I'm not judging those who choose to downgrade their tip for the things I generally won't. It just takes a lot more for me to do that. That's what I meant by severe transgressions. Tipping below 18% is just not severe for me to judge a person the way you do though of course it's your opinion just giving mine. Conversely the other things I mentioned aren't severe enough for me to downgrade my tip. I'd like to think the majority of people are like that though I have no evidence to back it up.

I typically don’t downgrade my tip much either unless it’s really actually bad service. I don’t know why it matters so much what I think that you feel you need to try to convince me to change my opinion. But, if someone is haggling over a few dollars b/c they don’t believe in the “tipping culture”, I think that person is cheap.

 

[skyblue17]

I'm not sure what you consider being particular about tipping. I personally tip according to the service I receive using 20% as my standard for good service. If a server goes above and beyond then I would tip more depending on that, even on a bill that had an automatic gratuity added.
On the same token, if the service was bad I would speak with the manager and explain why I will not pay the auto 20%.

I consider being particular saying "you are worth this $13 tip and not this $15 tip." It's handwringing over such a minimal amount that I really don't get the point. But I generally think this is entirely generational or even perhaps regional as pretty everyone I know rounds up to the nearest $5 increment.

 

[LSUmiss]

And what about the PP who told the story about the absolutely terrible service provided and the server chased them out of the restaurant because he wasn't happy with the tip that was left?

In that story, the person didn’t seem to believe that he provided good service, but was making excuses to the pp about why he hadn't been able to provide good service.

 

[LSUmiss]

I'm sure servers know whether they did a good job or not. But there are definitely servers (not all of them) who think they've done a good job and the customer disagrees. So who's right? Doing away with EXPECTED tipping eliminates the difference of opinion. Tips should not be expected IMO. I don't expect tips when I do my job. Oh, but they're in the service industry, right? What about the fast food workers? What about contractors? What about the Target employee who helps you find an item? Should they be tipped? Oh wait, they make minimum wage.

I’m one one thinks if more ppl were tipped, they would actually do a better job. Any service type place that I have been where ppl are tipped, they usually provide better service. Now, I agree it it would be ridiculous to implement, but I think the service would be better.

 

[sam_gordon]

In that story, the person didn’t seem to believe that he provided good service, but was making excuses to the pp about why he hadn't been able to provide good service.

But that he still DESERVED the tip. Funny, he didn't go to the table during the service and apologize because the kitchen was slow or they ran out of carbonation for the drink machine or whatever. The. service. was. poor.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I typically don’t downgrade my tip much either unless it’s really actually bad service. I don’t know why it matters so much what I think that you feel you need to try to convince me to change my opinion. But, if someone is haggling over a few dollars b/c they don’t believe in the “tipping culture”, I think that person is cheap.

Sorry I'm not try to change your opinion. Sometimes someone giving a different viewpoint can give way to something.

If you don't care you don't care. Though I don't know why it matters so much to you what other people tip and why you feel the need to try to convince them to change their opinions and suddenly tip according to what you think they should.

No worries no need to continue to go back and forth

 

[LSUmiss]

But that he still DESERVED the tip. Funny, he didn't go to the table during the service and apologize because the kitchen was slow or they ran out of carbonation for the drink machine or whatever. The. service. was. poor.

That’s a different discussion...ppl who think they deserve decent tips when they don’t. But, pp was saying it’s unlikely someone doesn’t know if they provided good service or not. Someone (maybe you?) had said that maybe ppl think they provide good service when they actually don’t. In the case above, he knew he had provided poor service & still wanted a tip so that’s just weird & entitled. It’s not the same as thinking you did a good job & getting stiffed.

 

[LSUmiss]

Sorry I'm not try to change your opinion. Sometimes someone giving a different viewpoint can give way to something.

If you don't care you don't care. Though I don't know why it matters so much to you what other people tip and why you feel the need to try to convince them to change their opinions and suddenly tip according to what you think they should.

No worries no need to continue to go back and forth

I didn’t see it as trying to convince anyone to change. I was just giving my opinion of what I think of it (not that anyone cares lol).

 

[RamblingMad]

OK, what's your point? I never said waitressing was easy. The bottom line is if you don't like the pay of a job or what you have to do or the hours or management or coworkers or how you earn your pay to find another job. What would you tell someone who said "my job is hard and I don't get paid enough"? Wouldn't the answer be "look for another job"?

Nope. The available jobs for those without a university degree that pay more than the minimum wage have been declining. This is both due to globalization as well as innovation. The reality is that the better paying job isn’t available.