McD's--my order would typically be a prepackaged salad with a pre-packaged kit that contains my appropriate dressing utensils and napkin. And to make it quasi-equivilent, I'll have an apple pie for dessert (a boxed eggroll grabbed from the warmer), and a paper wrapped burger. Comes to me in about 60 seconds once they grab everything from the appropriate areas.
When someone calls in their order, they get their order in 60 seconds or less at times too. So what is your point here?
My order is more work than yours is my point for NO tip. I order the big mac combo with extra sauce on the big mac and no pickles. I ask for a cup with mac sauce and a cup with tartar sauce for my fries. The CASHIERS have at times gotten those cups of condiments for me. I never said every single time, but MANY times they have.
Medium Rare Ribeye with a baked potato "loaded" where they had to package up my butter, sour cream, and my bacon bits and a salad with no egg and no onion and extra honey mustard dressing which again had to be packaged up.
The honey mustard is probably already poured in the refrigerator. The reason why I say this, some servers at Chili's have given me already poured to-go containers of ranch when I have asked for a to-go container for my ranch when we dined inside. It was probably because it was already prepared ahead of time. That means they poured that honey mustard most likely BEFORE you even ordered. Let's say for your argument sake they didn't, it's the same tasks as the cashier at McDonald's getting me the condiments in the cup then.
The Mcdonald's cashier had to package my 2 syrups, 3 butters, and 2 jellies for my hotcakes and sausage, so I fail to see how it's more work? Do you see my point?
And of course, they give you rolls and then had to package up my butter. Having watched servers package up other orders when we actually go to the restaurant, this takes them about 5 minutes or so to assemble.
It would depend on the amount you order as to how long it takes. I can put 10 rolls in a bag under a minute. Where do you get 5 entire minutes from, I have no clue? As far as putting rolls in a bag goes, shouldn't you think about that the workers are getting paid a wage of some sort to do SOMETHING for their money(let's say it is $2.13/hr)? The entire list of things they do, well some of that is getting paid for if you think about it. There is no cleaning really, because the person is not eating inside. Restocking usually is done once a shift unless you have so much customers that you have to restock again, even though, that's part of why they get a wage at all from their employer.
While it may not seem that long to you--that is still 5x longer to package a meal than it does at McD's and thus your thesis that they work harder to do an order, isn't really proven.
Then list all the things done that take 5 minutes then, because I fail to see any?
Where did I say that? And--what do you mean?
This is why my tipping isn't based on level of effort, but rather the quality of effort and I don't tip based simply on a server "busting their butt".
That sentence states that it's ok with you to work harder and not receive more pay.
I'm not sure you are aware of what you are talking about or not given in your response, you mention Applebees who sets tables with real utensils while reserving the plastic packets for take out.![]()
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Something like that picture.
When I say curbside, I'm referring to table service restaurants who offer this as a means of doing to go orders. I'm not sure how you can say you are not talking about that as I can't figure out who you would tip for bringing food to your car if it wasn't those restaurants who offer the curbside service.![]()
Curbside is BRINGING THE FOOD TO THE CUSTOMER'S CAR, that's why it's consider "CURBSIDE", because they are like going to the curb to bring it to your car whereas if I go inside to pick up my order, I am getting take-out that is COUNTER SERVICE, NOT curbside service that is being delivered to my car.
I don't agree with you--you feel that folks at McD's should be compensated additionally via tipping over some premise that they work harder. Working harder IMHO is not a justifiable reason to tip just on the notion that one works hard at doing their job in a non-tipped, wage earning position.
So when you do a tasks that takes more work, that it should be given a higher amount of praise, which means in terms of this, as far as tipping goes, if you do as I said in Jane Doe's second example that she had a larger amount of work for the burger orders and refills, that you are saying you should work your butt off for not as much money even though you put MUCH MORE WORK into it? WHY? You like doing more work for less pay? Does that make ANY SENSE? I don't see how anyone can feel that way, honestly?


if you were referring to me, I don't "command" 20%. I do advocate it. even for the many years I did not waitress. It's what I leave (unless things are really bad), and I advocate 20% on these forums. many will not, but many will leave 10%. (like mydad ,who is very generous, and just doesn't know better. I go back and leave extra afetr he pays!) I have great customers, who I love, who leave 15%, and get just as great service from me as thoe who leave me 25%