smidgy
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I disagree. The REAL price of any item on the menu is actually already 15 to 20 percent more than it says anyway, because most people pay the expected tip. Paying servers a higher wage and eliminating the tip will probably just cause the price written on the menu to increase by 15 to 20 percent. It will come out even. (Except, I suppose, for the small percentage of people who don't tip.)
I feel quite uncomfortable with tipping. I hate that it puts me in the position of evaluating the service I've been given when I can't possibly know all the factors. If the food was late coming out to me and cold, was it the server's fault? I don't know. Maybe two people were off sick and my server is trying to cover way too many tables. Maybe the chef in the back is having a bad day and goofed up. Who knows? Not me, that's for sure.
I also think that it's a mistake to assume that without tipping you'd get lousy service. I've traveled in New Zealand, where tipping is not done, and had some of the best service I've ever had anywhere! You don't even tip the bellman at hotels - I didn't realize that, and offered money, and he was quite insulted. The people are paid reasonably well, take pride in their work, and I LOVED not having to worry about calculating tips.
If tipping is so essential to getting good service, should we be offering tips to our doctors? veterinarians? dentists?
Teresa
I guess that's true, in a way. but to me, upping the bill by 20% can be a big increase. that $80 bill just became $96. and now you have to pay it, even if dervice is dreadful...
but I was mostly referring to those who don't think they should have to "supplement" the servers' incomes . many who choose to not tip would now HAVE to.
but it would actually go up more than that. because the employer has to make upcharge enough to cover all the employee's salary during slow nights, or those early or late hours when they are just doing side work (have no tables; on the "clock", but not "on the floor". or they are on the floor, but there are no costumers)
and quite frankly, if the system changed and we were not tipped, were paid minimum wage, I would quit. in a heartbeat.
the system works fine as it is. we all know how it works. the lousy servers get weeded out because they don't make good tips because they are not good at the job. it's not for everyone. most people pay the expected tip. they figure it into the cost of eating out.
If you want to leave little or no tip for lousy service, I get that.(I would take into account that everyone has a bad night, but that's just me) but doing the same becuase you don't like the system (ie, you don't beleive in tipping, or tipping on a percentage, which is what we tip out on and are taxed on) then you can justify it all you want in your mind. you still aren't being fair. period.