Tim Tebow

[PeterPan09]

Question for those who believe Tebow praying on the sidelines is shoving his faith in people's faces.

Say you're at Disney eating out. The family at the next table joins hands and says a prayer before they eat their meal. Are they shoving their religion in your face by doing it in public? Should they do all their praying in their hotel room with the curtains drawn so nobody has to see it?

I'm not fond of those who aggressively evangelize either, whether it's about religion or anything else. However, I don't think that anyone should be forced to hide who they are simply so they don't offend anyone else.

 

[metalis4ever]

Question for those who believe Tebow praying on the sidelines is shoving his faith in people's faces.

Say you're at Disney eating out. The family at the next table joins hands and says a prayer before they eat their meal. Are they shoving their religion in your face by doing it in public? Should they do all their praying in their hotel room with the curtains drawn so nobody has to see it?

I'm not fond of those who aggressively evangelize either, whether it's about religion or anything else. However, I don't think that anyone should be forced to hide who they are simply so they don't offend anyone else.

No that scenario is perfectly acceptable and would not bother me because although they are in a public setting they are partaking in the personal activity of eating, their Religious norms and values calls for a prayer before meal...as long as they dont ask me to join in I'm ok with it...

The issue is Football is his job and although he is a public figure, he gets paid to play Football. What if every time you sent out an email from your desk at work you loudly professed your faith, wouldn't that make everyone around you a tad bit uncomfortable??(assuming that you worked in a diverse environment) There are ways to be respectful and IMHO loudly professing isn't one of them. So I'm not supposed to be offended by ones loud profession but it's ok for one to be offended by the fact that I don't want to hear it??

Many players Troy Polamalu, Drew Bres and Aaron Rodgers to name a very few are just as Religious as Tebow but they know how to present it in such a mature way as to remain respectful to others.

I actually love Aaron Rodgers' take on this situation....

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/aaron-rodgers-on-tim-tebow-religion-controversy-i-believe-in-letting-my-actions-speak-about-the-kind-of-character-i-have/

 

[phorsenuf]

Ever see someone point to the sky after making points? I do, all the time, especially kickers. David Akers comes to mind.

Question for those who believe Tebow praying on the sidelines is shoving his faith in people's faces.

Say you're at Disney eating out. The family at the next table joins hands and says a prayer before they eat their meal. Are they shoving their religion in your face by doing it in public? Should they do all their praying in their hotel room with the curtains drawn so nobody has to see it?

I'm not fond of those who aggressively evangelize either, whether it's about religion or anything else. However, I don't think that anyone should be forced to hide who they are simply so they don't offend anyone else.

Me, personally, I would like to see the media back off. They are the ones creating this hoopla. If they had just left him be to do his thing there would be no issue. They are the ones putting it in the public's face and building him up to be some super duper quarterback because of it. Well he's not. He's an average player that had a few good comebacks that the media dubbed as miracles, linked it with his praying and ran with it.
The reason why perhaps people want to see him knocked down a peg is so that the public will see he's not all that on the field and hopefully the media will go find someone else to idolize.

I have no issues with people praying in public so long as they don't make a public spectacle of it. Then I would feel it's being shoved in my face.

 

[erin1715]

My point earlier was that Tebow thanks God in wins AND losses....I don't often hear or see anybody else who claims to be "religious" doing that after a loss.

Tebow has as much of a right to keep doing what he does as anyone else has a right to disagree with it.

 

[Momvic5]

No that scenario is perfectly acceptable and would not bother me because although they are in a public setting they are partaking in the personal activity of eating, their Religious norms and values calls for a prayer before meal...as long as they dont ask me to join in I'm ok with it...

The issue is Football is his job and although he is a public figure, he gets paid to play Football. What if every time you sent out an email from your desk at work you loudly professed your faith, wouldn't that make everyone around you a tad bit uncomfortable??(assuming that you worked in a diverse environment) There are ways to be respectful and IMHO loudly professing isn't one of them. So I'm not supposed to be offended by ones loud profession but it's ok for one to be offended by the fact that I don't want to hear it??

Many players Troy Polamalu, Drew Bres and Aaron Rodgers to name a very few are just as Religious as Tebow but they know how to present it in such a mature way as to remain respectful to others.

I actually love Aaron Rodgers' take on this situation....

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/aaron-rodgers-on-tim-tebow-religion-controversy-i-believe-in-letting-my-actions-speak-about-the-kind-of-character-i-have/

You mention maturity and respect in the game of football...Hmmm... Coaches and players are screaming profanity at every other play. Players are trash talking and taking cheap shots. Girls/cheerleaders are showcasing their assets. Drunks are acting like idiots in the stands. Yet, we are offended if a player takes a knee for a few seconds and acknowledges God. It just sounds so ridiculous to me - like you are grasping/looking for something to be offended by.

 

[Wadecool]

You mention maturity and respect in the game of football...Hmmm... Coaches and players are screaming profanity at every other play. Players are trash talking and taking cheap shots. Girls/cheerleaders are showcasing their assets. Drunks are acting like idiots in the stands. Yet, we are offended if a player takes a knee for a few seconds and acknowledges God. It just sounds so ridiculous to me - like you are grasping/looking for something to be offended by.

 

[metalis4ever]

You mention maturity and respect in the game of football...Hmmm... Coaches and players are screaming profanity at every other play. Players are trash talking and taking cheap shots. Girls/cheerleaders are showcasing their assets. Drunks are acting like idiots in the stands. Yet, we are offended if a player takes a knee for a few seconds and acknowledges God. It just sounds so ridiculous to me - like you are grasping/looking for something to be offended by.

And you sound like you are grasping at straws to try and discredit a valid point ....When did I ever justify the above?? However, I will say that I don't have a problem with cheerleaders

Other players actions don't offend me...Reggie White never offended me, Mark Bavaro never offended me, Tony Dungy, Philip Rivers, Deion Sanders, Steve Young, Joe Gibbs, Kurt Warner, Drew Bres, Aaron Rodgers and Troy Polamalu don't offend me. Tim Tebow, Tebowmaniacs and the media portrayal of him do in fact bother me...

Like I pointed out before as much as I can't stand the Packers I agree 100% with Aaron Rodgers on this one....

 

[Momvic5]

And you sound like you are grasping at straws to try and discredit a valid point ....When did I ever justify the above?? However, I will say that I don't have a problem with cheerleaders

Other players actions don't offend me...Reggie White never offended me, Mark Bavaro never offended me, Tony Dungy, Philip Rivers, Deion Sanders, Steve Young, Joe Gibbs, Kurt Warner, Drew Bres, Aaron Rodgers and Troy Polamalu don't offend me. Tim Tebow, Tebowmaniacs and the media portrayal of him do in fact bother me...

Like I pointed out before as much as I can't stand the Packers I agree 100% with Aaron Rodgers on this one....

Grasping at straws? - Now, that is funny! There is no need to have to grasp at anything when discussing the immaturity and disrespect found in football. The thing is - I honestly don't find your point valid. I try - really, I do, because I am always interested in another's point of view, but, respectfully, I find your arguement against Tebow weak. I have to laugh a little when someone uses Tim as an example of unprofessionalism in football. It is just a hard reason to swallow given the reputation of many football players and seems like a weak justification of your choice to find Tebow's actions offensive. Just like you choose to enjoy the cheerleaders, you choose to find Tebow offensive. I understand that people have opinions, but the outrage over him and the dislike of him seems so exaggerated and lame. He takes a knee for all of 3 seconds after a game, and then is up and with his teammates. It is over...I have a hard time understanding why it is seen as a loud profession of his faith. Football fans are such a diverse group of people...are we really that easily offended?

Aaron Rodger(whoever he is) is welcome to his opinion, and you are welcome to agree with him. And of course, all of the above is just my opinion, and you are welcome to not agree with it. I will not be offended!

 

[happygirl]

Agreed! Troy Polamalu is a very religious person. Most people wouldn't know that because it was never hyped all over the news because he chooses to pray and thank God in private.

That doesn't make it wrong for Tebow to pray in public. I see a lot of players giving thanks during games.

 

[phorsenuf]

That doesn't make it wrong for Tebow to pray in public. I see a lot of players giving thanks during games.

Of course it doesn't make it wrong. The thing people are questioning is why Tebow and why have they never made it an issue with any of the other players. What makes him so special?

 

[roliepolieoliefan]

Of course it doesn't make it wrong. The thing people are questioning is why Tebow and why have they never made it an issue with any of the other players. What makes him so special?

Exactly!

I'm sure Tebow is a great guy. I liked him at Florida. Even pulled for him at first but after a while it got way over the top.
I just got sick of it. And I think alot of other people did too. That sums it up exactly, what makes him so special?
Yea the media took alot of it and ran but I think Tebow thrived from all the extra attention too.

 

[PeterPan09]

No that scenario is perfectly acceptable and would not bother me because although they are in a public setting they are partaking in the personal activity of eating, their Religious norms and values calls for a prayer before meal...as long as they dont ask me to join in I'm ok with it...

The issue is Football is his job and although he is a public figure, he gets paid to play Football. What if every time you sent out an email from your desk at work you loudly professed your faith, wouldn't that make everyone around you a tad bit uncomfortable??(assuming that you worked in a diverse environment) There are ways to be respectful and IMHO loudly professing isn't one of them. So I'm not supposed to be offended by ones loud profession but it's ok for one to be offended by the fact that I don't want to hear it??

Many players Troy Polamalu, Drew Bres and Aaron Rodgers to name a very few are just as Religious as Tebow but they know how to present it in such a mature way as to remain respectful to others.

I actually love Aaron Rodgers' take on this situation....

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/aaron-rodgers-on-tim-tebow-religion-controversy-i-believe-in-letting-my-actions-speak-about-the-kind-of-character-i-have/

True, I can't put a Bible quote on my office email, but I can respond to a compliment about my abilities with a thank you to God who I believe gave me those abilities, and that's the same thing Tebow is doing. He's not saying "believe what I do" at all. He's just living his faith out in the open.

I understand and respect those who believe as Aaron Rogers does, that we should wait for people to ask based on our actions. However, I also respect those who want to acknowledge their God or practice their faith openly. Nobody should have to hide who they are or be afraid to be honest about who they are in public.

 

[PeterPan09]

That doesn't make it wrong for Tebow to pray in public. I see a lot of players giving thanks during games.

If you've gone to live games, there's a prayer circle after every one. The TV cameras are off by then so you wouldn't see who was doing it unless you hung around.

Of course it doesn't make it wrong. The thing people are questioning is why Tebow and why have they never made it an issue with any of the other players. What makes him so special?

I don't understand this either. Players have been doing this forever-I can remember Mark Bavaro doing the exact same thing years ago for the Giants. All this criticism directed at Tebow seems unfair. Maybe it's really because he was overhyped as a quarterback, but then criticize that-there's plenty of material.

 

[AndyLL]

If you've gone to live games, there's a prayer circle after every one. The TV cameras are off by then so you wouldn't see who was doing it unless you hung around.



I don't understand this either. Players have been doing this forever-I can remember Mark Bavaro doing the exact same thing years ago for the Giants. All this criticism directed at Tebow seems unfair. Maybe it's really because he was overhyped as a quarterback, but then criticize that-there's plenty of material.

I've never heard anyone complain about Tim joining the after game prayer... I don't even know if he does or does not.

I have seen plenty of people crediting Tebow for bringing the after game prayer groups to the NFL.

The funny thing is... Tebow is not really the most religious player on the team... Brian Dawkins probably is.

There are also plenty of Christain QBs in the NFL. Warner and Brees come to mind. Brian Griese won the Steve Patterson award for his foundation he started as a Bronco's QB.

I think people get irritated at Tebow because he is so pulblic about mixing his religion with football.

And more irritated at his fans that seem to think that he is the 1st christian to play football.

 

[metalis4ever]

I've never heard anyone complain about Tim joining the after game prayer... I don't even know if he does or does not.

I have seen plenty of people crediting Tebow for bringing the after game prayer groups to the NFL.

The funny thing is... Tebow is not really the most religious player on the team... Brian Dawkins probably is.

There are also plenty of Christain QBs in the NFL. Warner and Brees come to mind. Brian Griese won the Steve Patterson award for his foundation he started as a Bronco's QB.

I think people get irritated at Tebow because he is so pulblic about mixing his religion with football.

And more irritated at his fans that seem to think that he is the 1st christian to play football.

 

[Wadecool]

True, I can't put a Bible quote on my office email, but I can respond to a compliment about my abilities with a thank you to God who I believe gave me those abilities, and that's the same thing Tebow is doing. He's not saying "believe what I do" at all. He's just living his faith out in the open.

I understand and respect those who believe as Aaron Rogers does, that we should wait for people to ask based on our actions. However, I also respect those who want to acknowledge their God or practice their faith openly. Nobody should have to hide who they are or be afraid to be honest about who they are in public.

 

[Momvic5]

I've never heard anyone complain about Tim joining the after game prayer... I don't even know if he does or does not.

I have seen plenty of people crediting Tebow for bringing the after game prayer groups to the NFL.

The funny thing is... Tebow is not really the most religious player on the team... Brian Dawkins probably is.

There are also plenty of Christain QBs in the NFL. Warner and Brees come to mind. Brian Griese won the Steve Patterson award for his foundation he started as a Bronco's QB.

I think people get irritated at Tebow because he is so pulblic about mixing his religion with football.

And more irritated at his fans that seem to think that he is the 1st christian to play football.

I think you nailed it with this statement. I think the dislike for Tebow is truly that simple. People are simply uncomfortable with seeing acts of religion. However, we do not want to sound intolerant so we try to avoid the truth with weak excuses. I can respect someone who is honest and says, "Seeing Tebow take a knee and pray after a game makes me want to throw up" because even though it sounds bad, it is a honest feeling, and we have all had those feelings towards someone at some point in our lives. Being honest allows us to examine ourselves and our own intolerances.

I like Tebow. I like his confidence. I like that he is not intimidated by the media. However, I am not a Tebowmaniac....I know that he is human and flawed. I have never thought he was more religious than another(who am I to judge that), nor did I ever think that he was the first Christian to play football. I agree...those type of statements are irritating and add to the drama.

 

[PlutoBaby]

Is it possible to absolutely DESPISE someone??? SO over the whole "look at me and what a good person I am" business! The worst part, is he's not even that good a pro player. His job is to throw and hand off the ball, that's why you have running backs and wide receivers. But since he's completely incapable of performing under pressure, he tries to do everything himself. Everyone makes him out to be something he's not, conveniently forgetting he's part of a TEAM.

Wheww! Felt good to get all THAT out.

 

[Momvic5]

See! It feels good to be honest with your despise!

 

[SaraJayne]

I was unable to watch the Bronco's game on Saturday...did he make sure to do his public "praise God" kneel on the field after they lost?