WOW some people are really going off the deep end.
- The Gronking (spiking) was toward the fans, not Tebow personally.
- I never understood booing opposing players. It's kind of like mud-slinging in politics. Let's cheer on our team/players instead!
- If one is a Christian, one understands about not judging others. And I don't see what there is to judge Brady about anyway.
- Tom has had good things to say about Tebow. . Tim has good things about Brady. It's a regular love fest.
- The extremists on both sides are getting to be waaaaaay too much(again, like politics).
Yup. As I said earlier in the thread, Elway has come around (at least in public since he was getting a thrashing for being jealous of Tebow).
Actually, it fell apart when the rest of the Broncos fell apart. You can be the best QB in the league, but even then would not be able to overcome the rest of the team committing 3 major turnovers.
As Elway said yesterday on the Elway show, take those 3 turnovers away and Tim showed that he can definitely hang with the big boys. (The turnovers were not caused by him.) You cannot commit 3 major turnovers and expect to beat a team like them.
Nobody is arguing (at least not here in Denver) that Brady was the better, more seasoned QB. But if you look at the throwing mechanics overlays that were being shown, Tebow's mechanics are almost precisely the same as Brady's, indicating huge potential for the kid.
He is growing in skill with every game. That is all that is expected this year.
And I did just put down the deposit for our post season tickets
Look at the transcript of one of his interviews a few pages back. He only mentions his religion twice - the first line where he thanks his Lord and Savior and once later, when asked, answered in the affirmative that maybe there was some divine intervention in a particular play.
Tebow did turn the ball over he fumbled the ball when Mark Anderson strip sacked him. Not to mention he was sacked numerous times, 2 of which were completely his fault, he turned and ran right into the pass rusher on one and he turned and ran backwards for nearly 30 yards on the other. Which is to be expected he is unseasoned and still has the run first, pass second mentality.
Mechanics mean nothing in the NFL it's all about what you do with them...otherwise Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Chris Weinke, Joey Harrington, David Carr and a whole host of others would have been successful NFL Quarterbacks....
I'm not saying Tebow won't learn and grow and become a long term NFL QB as he has definitely shown glimmers of his throwing potential. I'm just saying if he expects to win and sustain a successful long term career in the NFL he needs to have a much better completion % than 45-60%.
The Broncos can't run the I his entire career, good NFL Defenses are going to adjust the second time through like they did with the Wild Cat. Tebow needs to learn how to be a confident pocket passer while learning the ability to run when he needs to not when he feels he has to. IMO in the off season he should watch Rothlisberger tapes and dust off some old Steve Young, Warren Moon and even Randall Cunningham footage to learn from.
Look at the transcript of one of his interviews a few pages back. He only mentions his religion twice - the first line where he thanks his Lord and Savior and once later, when asked, answered in the affirmative that maybe there was some divine intervention in a particular play.
I live in Denver, so it is Tebow Time all the time. It is the rare interview where he does not do an initial "I want to thank my Lord and Savior" and then moves on and it is all about football.
So, he does does do exactly what you say is acceptable.He throws in a few thank yous and then talks about football. It IS the media that presses him and continues to ask questions about his religion. It IS the media that makes such a huge deal about it, not Tebow. He does a thank you and then moves on and thanks his coach, his team, the other team, etc.
He is not the first sports person to thank their chosen savior. He is not the first to make some religious motion - I can't count how many times I have seen a Catholic athlete cross themselves. He is not the first person to wear a symbol for something they believe in. Perhaps all the athletes who wear pink should be tagged as being too religious.
He is just a golly, gee, shucks kind of person and that doesn't fit the stereotype so many have of the tough football player, so gets picked apart for his beliefs.
FWIW - I hate Focus on the Family with a passion, almost hate to drive down to the Springs. But I do think the kid is getting a raw deal being pegged for being a religious zealot.
Personally, I like what Leno had to say the other night: It is hard to figure out who God likes better. He gave Tim 6 wins, but he gave Tom Gisele
Look at the transcript of one of his interviews a few pages back. He only mentions his religion twice - the first line where he thanks his Lord and Savior and once later, when asked, answered in the affirmative that maybe there was some divine intervention in a particular play.
I live in Denver, so it is Tebow Time all the time. It is the rare interview where he does not do an initial "I want to thank my Lord and Savior" and then moves on and it is all about football.
So, he does does do exactly what you say is acceptable.He throws in a few thank yous and then talks about football. It IS the media that presses him and continues to ask questions about his religion. It IS the media that makes such a huge deal about it, not Tebow. He does a thank you and then moves on and thanks his coach, his team, the other team, etc.
He is not the first sports person to thank their chosen savior. He is not the first to make some religious motion - I can't count how many times I have seen a Catholic athlete cross themselves. He is not the first person to wear a symbol for something they believe in. Perhaps all the athletes who wear pink should be tagged as being too religious.
He is just a golly, gee, shucks kind of person and that doesn't fit the stereotype so many have of the tough football player, so gets picked apart for his beliefs.
FWIW - I hate Focus on the Family with a passion, almost hate to drive down to the Springs. But I do think the kid is getting a raw deal being pegged for being a religious zealot.
Personally, I like what Leno had to say the other night: It is hard to figure out who God likes better. He gave Tim 6 wins, but he gave Tom Gisele
Yup, but trading Tebow is just not acceptable to the Denver fans. And Elway knows it.
It is a business after all.
Elway wants to maintain his Denver popularity for his own business deals. Trading Tebow right now would not be a healthy business decision for the Broncos or for his car dealerships.
Keeping Tebow keeps him beloved in our fair city.
And if Elway can take the credit for creating a great QB over the off-season, well.....His legendary status will be maintained.
Tebow can now be the son to follow in his footsteps. 
can you link the gator stuff?
No, not at all. These would have been interviews on Orlando news stations during his heyday. I didn't think to record them at the time in case I would need them in the future.
I'm sure you would interpret the interviews differently than I did anyway. That's okay. He simply never appealed to me and seeing him on my screen multiple nights a week with his Bible verses under his eyes completely turned me off. YMMV.
Again, I wish him the best and I am not a "hater" like some of you want to believe those that don't worship him are. But when people blame the media for making more out of his religion than he does, I disagree. That wasn't what I picked up on when he was at UF.
