Tigger in trouble

[JKanownik]

Whether or not you can actually feel anything through the gloves doesn't prove or disprove anything. If the guy really was touching their breasts then he wasn't thinking rationally at the time, so you can't use that rational thinking arguement to defend him.

-DH

 

[KevinFSU]

Several things about this story concerned me. The first is that they did not report it for over a week. I can totally understand the young girl being afraid to say anything. Something like that happening to a young girl can be intimidating and frightening. I simply cannot believe the mother wouldn't have said something right away, and only said that the same thing happened to her after her daughter said something. ....... and again, to top it off, they don't report it for so long. This couldn't have been that emotionally traumatic (such as in a sexual assault) that they were afraid to report it to the police.

Second, I wonder if the guy has some sort of mental handicap. The story says he has dyslexia, but I wonder if there are other problems. If so, I'm concerned he may have admitted to something just because an authority figure was suggesting something like that (the police). I noticed the officer was very careful to state that this was a non-custodial interrogation so he didn't have to give him Miranda warnings. Mentally challenged individuals can, at times, be easily convinced that they've done something and admit to it, even though they didn't do it. Police are allowed to use trickery and lie to suspects (and I'm all for it being in law enforcement), but that can be an issue with someone with a mental deficit.

That being said, there were obviously some pictures that we don't know the content of. These could have given the officer probable cause to make an arrest. In addition, this dude may not have any mental handicap at all, knew what he was doing, and should get hammered.

 

[TiggerGirl333]

I never said it was 2 months, the local NBC report said it happened back in February.Whether it happened yesterday or 3 months ago? If someone touched my child inappropriately? 2 Seconds would pass then something would be reported. I get tired of the media misreporting things, and then everyone has the guy sentenced as guilty. The news cast reporter said, and I quote "Coming up...Tigger is in trouble at Disney World"
Now COME on...how many children heard that ? Im so tired of the media playing up stories that are serious charges.If they dont have concrete information, dont report it. Everyone in this country is innocent until proven guilty, at least thats how the government was formed to work.Unfortunately in todays society, the public is quick to judge and its a sad day all around. Take care everyone!

 

[RescueRanger]

As someone who works in law enforcement, I can tell you that what bothers me are the photographs. That fits the M.O. of a pedophile or any sexual predator. They like to have photographs of children. It does not matter how much padding his costume has in it (as someone stated). It is the fantasy in his minds eye that matters to him. I have to say, you people who just casually dismiss these charges just because it is Disney make me sick. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but some of you just want to dismiss any evidence no matter how damning. You people need to come down off of your pixie dust highs. Just my 2 cents.

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Don't have enough info to know whether Tigger is guilty or not but will just say that I welcome the day when people will be able to not feel guilty when someone is taking advantage of them and handle the situation right then and there without worrying about themselves being embarrassed. Would be a much better world IMHO. If someone gropes me I just haul off and slap them silly. Over, done with and bet he would think twice before doing so again. (grrrrr) Violence is quite another matter however, will have to think of a solution for that one later. Have thought enough today, time to rest. (smile)

Slightly Goofy/Linda

If someone disagrees, fine by me. I may be right, I may be wrong. On any given day I can be both, several times over.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by RescueRanger
As someone who works in law enforcement, I can tell you that what bothers me are the photographs. That fits the M.O. of a pedophile or any sexual predator. They like to have photographs of children. It does not matter how much padding his costume has in it (as someone stated). It is the fantasy in his minds eye that matters to him. I have to say, you people who just casually dismiss these charges just because it is Disney make me sick. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but some of you just want to dismiss any evidence no matter how damning. You people need to come down off of your pixie dust highs. Just my 2 cents.

ITA!!

I love Disney and I don't want to believe this but the evidence is there and from reading the evidence there I have every right to voice my opinion on it. THat's all I'm doing. The jury will make the final decision.

 

[SnoWhiteRabbit]

Weird. I read the charging affidavit and three things strike me as very odd! I have never heard of Dyslexia impairing someone's memory or confuson with past and present. And the part that says he admitted that he has someone take pictures of him while he's in character (envelopes and disks full?). What's up with that?? And he was a fairly new employee. Of course we can't really judge, given a limited amount of info, but the photo thing is disturbing.

 

[Samirella]

Originally posted by KevinFSU

Second, I wonder if the guy has some sort of mental handicap. The story says he has dyslexia, but I wonder if there are other problems. If so, I'm concerned he may have admitted to something just because an authority figure was suggesting something like that (the police). I noticed the officer was very careful to state that this was a non-custodial interrogation so he didn't have to give him Miranda warnings. Mentally challenged individuals can, at times, be easily convinced that they've done something and admit to it, even though they didn't do it. Police are allowed to use trickery and lie to suspects (and I'm all for it being in law enforcement), but that can be an issue with someone with a mental deficit.

I have worked with him before and we carried on an intelligent conversation. He didn't seem to have a mental handicap. I'm really not sure what dyslexia has to do with the situation.

 

[Samirella]

Originally posted by SnoWhiteRabbit
And the part that says he admitted that he has someone take pictures of him while he's in character (envelopes and disks full?). What's up with that??

This is actually very common in WDW Entertainment. Performers like having pictures of themselves performing. In all my years performing I have three scrapbooks, two boxes, and countless disks of me performing. Does that mean I fit the MO of a pedophile or sex offender? Or any other performer for that matter?

 

[alliecats]

I have to say, you people who just casually dismiss these charges just because it is Disney make me sick. [/B][/QUOTE]

Now, now. Please let's not have personal attacks. I seriously doubt anyone thinks that this guy is innocent simply because he works for Disney. At least I hope not! Pervs are everywhere & things certainly sound fishy all around. But luckily this is America, and like you said, innocent until proven guilty. Hopefully that is how everyone is reacting.

 

[RescueRanger]

Originally posted by Samirella
This is actually very common in WDW Entertainment. Performers like having pictures of themselves performing. In all my years performing I have three scrapbooks, two boxes, and countless disks of me performing. Does that mean I fit the MO of a pedophile or sex offender? Or any other performer for that matter? I have a feeling that WDW is going to stop allowing the characters to initiate contact with guests like they do in DL.

Looking at your signature lines I can see that you are actually a performer in shows and parades. There is a big difference in having pictures of yourself "performing" and a character having pictures of himself and guests.

 

[Beca]

Originally posted by RescueRanger
Looking at your signature lines I can see that you are actually a performer in shows and parades. There is a big difference in having pictures of yourself "performing" and a character having pictures of himself and guests.

Ouch!! My friend who is a "performer" at WDW does characters and "faces" (unmasked characters, like the princesses), and considers herself very much a professional. When I asked for pics of her at work, she sent me pictures that someone had taken of her both with "guests" and without. She is not a "perv", but rather someone who wants momentos of a very wonderful time in her life, so that she can remember them and someday, show them to her children.

 

[jdmccol]

Originally posted by RescueRanger
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, BUT

Typical cop mentality - in other words he's guilty till proven innocent. And if he isn't proven guilty - it's because he has a better lawyer.

 

[Samirella]

*

 

[Esmerelda]

I find a great deal of this story quite bizarre.

First off, as an adult female...I would report something of this nature THE DAY it happened...not 8 days later. I work with the public in an emergency room and have been attempted to be groped many times and I tell them right there that I will press charges if they even THINK about doing that. (75% of the time these patients are drunk but they know I'm serious).

Secondly, I have a very close friend whom I used to help get into a dog costume here locally and you cannot feel much thru the hands of the costume so I would doubt the guy was getting any jollies thru his tigger hands.

Thirdly, I think its someone out to get some cash out of Disney....but I guess we will just have to wait and see what the evidence is.

Heck, I'm still waiting to see what happens to the gal in Wisconsin that claimed she was kidnapped and assaulted????? (she made the whole story up...???)

There are a lot of SICK folks walking around and its probably a good thing I never became a prosecuting attorney...lol

innocent until proven guilty...
Esmerelda

 

[RescueRanger]

Originally posted by jdmccol
Typical cop mentality - in other words he's guilty till proven innocent. And if he isn't proven guilty - it's because he has a better lawyer.

Wow, youv'e been registered a year and you choose to make this your first post? You must be a bleeding heart liberal.


As for the topic on hand, I have stated my opinion and I will not argue or debate it any further. We live in a country where your free to believe however you want. I think it is silly how some people think Disneyworld is some Utopian society where everyone is magically transformed by pixie dust into perfect beings. They think that nothing can go wrong there. When someone says they have a dirty room- there lying...they had a rude CM experience- there lying... they got sick on Disney food-there lying... they were assaulted by a character...there lying. I love Disney as much as anyone else. Heck, we've made the 1000 mile drive 8 times in the last nine years. However, at some point common sense needs to be used and you need to realize that there are bad people everywhere and YES that includes WDW.

 

[Dznypal]

I read Esmerealda post about the WI story where the girl made up being abducted I live about an hours drive from the UWM (Madison) campus where she went to school.

The strange part is Esmerealda is from Paris FRance!

Has this story made is around the world?

 

[HBKFan75]

"I'm free to believe however I want..."HOWEVER, anyone who simply wants to examine the evidence BEFORE condemning the man to prison should not be allowed to believe that way? Look, the truth is that people do try to take advantage of Disney. Yes, bad things do happen on property, but not everyone who claims a bad thing happened is telling the truth.

The guy admitted no wrongdoing and the report does not imply that the pictures contained anything inappropriate, only that he had several pictures of himself in costume. In fact, it seems he offered them to the officer to show that he doesn't do things like he was accused of.

Now, I don't agree with the "typical cop mentality" comment, but the response wasn't necessary either. Let's all try to examine the evidence logically and not hurl ad hominem attacks at each other instead.

 

[Troyfus]

He's guilty, he's not! He's guilty, he's not! He's....
Has the jury come back yet? Have any photos been shown? Has the accused admitted to the allegations or just said he is sorry IF something happened? Herein lies part of the problem as I see it:

The parents waited to report the incident. Why? I can understand the daughter's reason, but the mom's? Did Dad not see this happening? Were they waiting to see what the photos would show before saying anything, or did the photos give them the reason to say something?

Dyslexia can cause memory problems to varying degrees in different sufferers. Try a Google search on the subject.

Photos. When I first started working for the Postal Service, I took photos of myself in uniform. I wasn't event portraying a world famous character. All the more reason someone who was would have photos of themself in character. I have no doubt that many police officers have photos of themselves in uniform as well. Was there anything out of the norm in those pictures is the question? Until those pictures show the light of day somewhere, they are really a mute point.

The officer involved, I do not envy. If there was ANY possibility that the accused could have acted inappropriately, was it not the officer's duty to arrest? The admission of not knowing if something occured do to an illness would have been a reasonable doubt for an arrest, right? (I am not sure of Florida's statutes) Can you imagine being known as the officer who arrested Tigger!

He may be guilty or he may not be. Scams occur and molesters exist, that is the world we live in. Until further evidence comes to light (if it ever does), would it not be more appropriate for us to ask what can be done to prevent future mishaps or misunderstandings? (i.e. characters never placing hands on a torso; just shoulders, tops of heads, and shaking hands instead)

 

[KerriMc]

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about this. You just never know who is inside any costume ... I even worry about my 2 DD's on Santa's knee!

What gets me is that the mom is standing there supposedly being fondled and knows her daughter is there on the other side. Does she not immediately think that the same thing could be happening to her little girl?????? As a mom don't you think immediate "mother instinct" would kick in??? My first concern would be that it isn't being done to my daughter!!! Why did she not say anything? Would she have ever said anything if her daughter never had come out with it? It sounds so strange to me!!

Kerri