Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[cakebaker]

Never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to in order to take advantage of any possible loophole they can find to get something they really didn't pay for.

I will be so glad when Disney fixes this one and only hope they don't penalize onsite guests somehow in doing so- which is usually what happens.

 

[asmit4]

Never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to in order to take advantage of any possible loophole they can find to get something they really didn't pay for.

I will be so glad when Disney fixes this one and only hope they don't penalize onsite guests somehow in doing so- which is usually what happens.

99% of us are paying for our room. Very few have mentioned the idea of actually cancelling the room. I plan on paying for mine---always have---always will. As they say 'you have to pay to play'

 

[cakebaker]

99% of us are paying for our room. Very few have mentioned the idea of actually cancelling the room. I plan on paying for mine---always have---always will. As they say 'you have to pay to play'

Not sure on your percentage there- , but yes, there's a huge difference between paying for the room and booking it with every intention of cancelling.

 

[Luckybee]

Never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to in order to take advantage of any possible loophole they can find to get something they really didn't pay for.

I will be so glad when Disney fixes this one and only hope they don't penalize onsite guests somehow in doing so- which is usually what happens.

I cant help but giggle every time I read the odd post suggesting that there is something that Disney needs to "fix" re: throwaway rooms. What exactly do you suppose Disney is going to want to do ? They certainly don't want to lose this revenue stream. They want all the bookings that they can get (as long as these are not bookings that people cancel) . Even if for some bizarre reason they didn't want this to continue (highly improbable but giving you the benefit of the doubt) do you suggest that they send Mickey, or Pluto to tuck in all the guests to make sure there is someone sleeping in each and every bed in each and every hotel ? Really ?

 

[doconeill]

I cant help but giggle every time I read the odd post suggesting that there is something that Disney needs to "fix" re: throwaway rooms. What exactly do you suppose Disney is going to want to do ? They certainly don't want to lose this revenue stream. They want all the bookings that they can get (as long as these are not bookings that people cancel) . Even if for some bizarre reason they didn't want this to continue (highly improbable but giving you the benefit of the doubt) do you suggest that they send Mickey, or Pluto to tuck in all the guests to make sure there is someone sleeping in each and every bed in each and every hotel ? Really ?

And as I've pointed out several times, it's "free money" for Disney. They don't have to clean the room.

 

[cakebaker]

I cant help but giggle every time I read the odd post suggesting that there is something that Disney needs to "fix" re: throwaway rooms. What exactly do you suppose Disney is going to want to do ? They certainly don't want to lose this revenue stream. They want all the bookings that they can get (as long as these are not bookings that people cancel) . Even if for some bizarre reason they didn't want this to continue (highly improbable but giving you the benefit of the doubt) do you suggest that they send Mickey, or Pluto to tuck in all the guests to make sure there is someone sleeping in each and every bed in each and every hotel ? Really ?

If someone has to tuck me in, I'd like Mickey please...

Well it's not a revenue stream when someone cancels it now is it?

As far as one night stays, it's always been my opinion that it messes with their reservations when there's a night here or a night there interfering with people wanting longer stays. If it's a big enough problem, they'll fix it by requiring a minimum night stay. If it's not, they won't. So there ya go--no checking on us in our little beds to make sure we're all there.

And booking the campgrounds for a 1 night stay is not what Disney would consider a revenue stream- lol. But I don't stay there, so I don't care. Sure gets the campers hot under the collar tho....

 

[nugov2]

If someone has to tuck me in, I'd like Mickey please...

Well it's not a revenue stream when someone cancels it now is it?

As far as one night stays, it's always been my opinion that it messes with their reservations when there's a night here or a night there interfering with people wanting longer stays. If it's a big enough problem, they'll fix it by requiring a minimum night stay. If it's not, they won't. So there ya go--no checking on us in our little beds to make sure we're all there.

And booking the campgrounds for a 1 night stay is not what Disney would consider a revenue stream- lol. But I don't stay there, so I don't care. Sure gets the campers hot under the collar tho....

There are people who do like to camp for one or two nights. I know my husband does all the time with the kids(I don't camp) and I can see where locals may just want to have a little fun for a night, pitch a tent and enjoy the campground, pool and hit the park. I don't see the big deal on one night stays. What's next saying all stays need to be Saturday to Saturday or Sunday to Sunday. Doesn't a midweek Tuesday to Tuesday leave days just as messed up or a 4 day stay...I mean where do you draw the line. You pay for the room or site and it is yours to do what you please. If you want a campsite, book as soon as the dates are released just to be safe and cancel if it turns out you cannot go.

 

[cakebaker]

There are people who do like to camp for one or two nights. I know my husband does all the time with the kids(I don't camp) and I can see where locals may just want to have a little fun for a night, pitch a tent and enjoy the campground, pool and hit the park....

I'm sure that happens.

My original comments regarding this was directed towards those who make a reservation only to get the perks, then cancel them once they've gotten them. Other than those that do that, I don't think too many people disagree that doing that is wrong.

 

[jimandami]

I'm sure that happens. My original comments regarding this was directed towards those who make a reservation only to get the perks, then cancel them once they've gotten them. Other than those that do that, I don't think too many people disagree that doing that is wrong.

I don't think very many people cancel the reservation....that's not what a throwawaybis

 

[HatboxHaint]

Never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to in order to take advantage of any possible loophole they can find to get something they really didn't pay for.

I will be so glad when Disney fixes this one and only hope they don't penalize onsite guests somehow in doing so- which is usually what happens.

Disney vacations are expensive to us non-1%-ers. We will take advantage of anything that gets us as much vacation bang for the buck as possible.

So you can get back on your high horse and ride it right off the dock at the Poly! or what's left of it.

 

[Luckybee]

I'm sure that happens.

My original comments regarding this was directed towards those who make a reservation only to get the perks, then cancel them once they've gotten them. Other than those that do that, I don't think too many people disagree that doing that is wrong.

A throwaway room was never meant to be a room booked for the perks then cancelled. Imho if that is possible then I'd agree that would be a "loophole". Rather it was a room booked for the perks (mainly fp+ esp in the beginning when offsite guests could not book in advance)with no intention on sleeping/staying in it. In the former Disney got no revenue from it. I suspect they wouldn't be happy with that scenario. In the latter they make the same $ for the room as when someone sleeps there (actually more since they have less expenses for that room as other posters have pointed out)
The main reason this is still alive is for those guests who want the hard to get fp+ bookings ie A& E/SDMT , which become very scarce at the 30 day mark if even possible in some time frames.

 

[HatboxHaint]

A throwaway room was never meant to be a room booked for the perks then cancelled. Imho if that is possible then I'd agree that would be a "loophole". Rather it was a room booked for the perks (mainly fp+ esp in the beginning when offsite guests could not book in advance)with no intention on sleeping/staying in it. In the former Disney got no revenue from it. I suspect they wouldn't be happy with that scenario. In the latter they make the same $ for the room as when someone sleeps there (actually more since they have less expenses for that room as other posters have pointed out)
The main reason this is still alive is for those guests who want the hard to get fp+ bookings ie A& E/SDMT , which become very scarce at the 30 day mark if even possible in some time frames.

LOL...Who is worried about Disney not being able to make money?

A $50 canceled campsite is not even on the radar. They are making money hand over fist. Heck, even if the throwaway gets canceled it has lured that person and potentially their family into the park, which means more money.

So even if I cancel the throwaway, I have made these awesome 60day FP+ reservations that are an additional marketing allure to keep my vacation plans intact and then Disney gets all my money when I am in the parks. Much more so than just the $50 campsite.

I think the loophole works to Disney's advantage, it lures me to spend more time in the parks and everyone knows that's where the mouse gets my wallet and empties it out. (where is the emoticon for "makin it rain"?)

FP+ for top attractions scare at 30days? More like impossible....

 

[mickeyluv'r]

Disney vacations are expensive to us non-1%-ers. We will take advantage of anything that gets us as much vacation bang for the buck as possible.

I suppose. I haven't read all of this thread, but where are you staying that a throwaway room makes sense?

We often stay at the values, and they are pretty close to the $125 mark most of the year with the ever-present 20% off discounts. Where are you staying that costs so much less than $125? Or reverse that, getting a campsite w/partial costs a minimum of $62.
Plus, checking-in to the resort has to 'cost' you at least an hour of your time. There is some distance between Ft. Wilderness and MK.

The math just doesn't seem to add up to me.

You are spending an hour of vacation time, plus all the time it takes you to book/cancel your reservation, and at least $62 for your fast passes, to save maybe 60minutes of time - and that's being generous.

Where are you staying that makes this remotely worth doing? Why not spend the night at Pop? Oh, and I'm not even factoring the time it takes to drive round trip from where you are staying to WDW.

The whole idea just seems like a colossal waste. Is it just much easier to arrive at rope drop or get in in line for 7DMt at 10pm.

 

[Alesia]

I can address a few of these points.

We often stay at the values, and they are pretty close to the $125 mark most of the year with the ever-present 20% off discounts. Where are you staying that costs so much less than $125?

We stayed in a very nice 3 bedroom/3 bath condo for $50 per night. That adds up to significant savings over 9 nights.

Plus, checking-in to the resort has to 'cost' you at least an hour of your time.

Physically checking in isn't necessary, you can simply use online check in.

Oh, and I'm not even factoring the time it takes to drive round trip from where you are staying to WDW.

We could drive from our condo to any of the parks in less than 15 minutes. It was much faster than taking the bus from Pop.

The whole idea just seems like a colossal waste. Is it just much easier to arrive at rope drop or get in in line for 7DMt at 10pm.

And that's fine. No one will ever require you to book a throwaway room. But you have to understand that just because you don't feel that it would work for you, that isn't necessarily the case for everyone.

 

[jimandami]

I suppose. I haven't read all of this thread, but where are you staying that a throwaway room makes sense? We often stay at the values, and they are pretty close to the $125 mark most of the year with the ever-present 20% off discounts. Where are you staying that costs so much less than $125? Or reverse that, getting a campsite w/partial costs a minimum of $62. Plus, checking-in to the resort has to 'cost' you at least an hour of your time. There is some distance between Ft. Wilderness and MK. The math just doesn't seem to add up to me. You are spending an hour of vacation time, plus all the time it takes you to book/cancel your reservation, and at least $62 for your fast passes, to save maybe 60minutes of time - and that's being generous. Where are you staying that makes this remotely worth doing? Why not spend the night at Pop? Oh, and I'm not even factoring the time it takes to drive round trip from where you are staying to WDW. The whole idea just seems like a colossal waste. Is it just much easier to arrive at rope drop or get in in line for 7DMt at 10pm.[/QUOTE

The other thing to remember is some people have large families that won't fit into a room at Pop! Or for that matter, don't want to try to cram even 4 people into a tiny room with double beds.

 

[nugov2]

I suppose. I haven't read all of this thread, but where are you staying that a throwaway room makes sense?

We often stay at the values, and they are pretty close to the $125 mark most of the year with the ever-present 20% off discounts. Where are you staying that costs so much less than $125? Or reverse that, getting a campsite w/partial costs a minimum of $62.
Plus, checking-in to the resort has to 'cost' you at least an hour of your time. There is some distance between Ft. Wilderness and MK.

The math just doesn't seem to add up to me.

You are spending an hour of vacation time, plus all the time it takes you to book/cancel your reservation, and at least $62 for your fast passes, to save maybe 60minutes of time - and that's being generous.

Where are you staying that makes this remotely worth doing? Why not spend the night at Pop? Oh, and I'm not even factoring the time it takes to drive round trip from where you are staying to WDW.

The whole idea just seems like a colossal waste. Is it just much easier to arrive at rope drop or get in in line for 7DMt at 10pm.

We are a family of 5 who stays in a 6bdrm home just a short drive from the parks. We wouldn't stay at the Pop(nor would we fit) or any value or mod that fits 5. We like luxury when on vacation and WDW just not offer what we need unless we want to spend $700 a night. We like to spend money on our vacation and we do tons of extras, but at that price point WDW doesn't offer enough to justify the cost. Public transportation is a con(IMO won't take it) and the bubble isn't something that feels any different off site than on for me. We eat almost exclusively on site so we aren't cooking. We have stayed at some high end resorts and I have stayed on site before kids and IMO it is even at deluxe no better than a nice Marriott. We stayed in Boston at the Marriott Long Wharf with concierge and ocean view and it was much less than $700. Some people just don't feel the value or the luxury in WDW property hotels.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I suppose. If you've done this, I don't fancy my posts are going dissuade anyone who thinks this is a good idea.

It is just that this reminds me of the old threads suggesting grilled cheese made in your room with the iron! Or paying for the double cheeseburger with an extra bun, to make a 'meal' from $.50 worth of double helpings at the toppings bar. I've been on the DIS for quite some time!

I'm a strong advocate of time = money: both ways. (If it saves $, was it worth the time? If it costs $, how much time did it save?)

The new mine train ride just isn't all that great. (Now Escape from Gringotts is a worthy objective!) Folks are likely to be disappointed that they put this much effort into obtaining a fastpass for it.

 

[OtherScott]

LOL...Who is worried about Disney not being able to make money?

A $50 canceled campsite is not even on the radar. They are making money hand over fist. Heck, even if the throwaway gets canceled it has lured that person and potentially their family into the park, which means more money.

So even if I cancel the throwaway, I have made these awesome 60day FP+ reservations that are an additional marketing allure to keep my vacation plans intact and then Disney gets all my money when I am in the parks. Much more so than just the $50 campsite.

I think the loophole works to Disney's advantage, it lures me to spend more time in the parks and everyone knows that's where the mouse gets my wallet and empties it out. (where is the emoticon for "makin it rain"?)

FP+ for top attractions scare at 30days? More like impossible....

This will become something Disney deals with only when it affects Disney's ability to book longer stays to someone else. If a significant number (only Disney knows what "significant" means) of reservation requests can't be honored due to one-night reservations, Disney will require longer stays.

BTW, this has nothing to do with whether or not people actually sleep in the room. It would still be a problem if every single-night guest actually occupied the room.

 

[nugov2]

I suppose. If you've done this, I don't fancy my posts are going dissuade anyone who thinks this is a good idea.

It is just that this reminds me of the old threads suggesting grilled cheese made in your room with the iron! Or paying for the double cheeseburger with an extra bun, to make a 'meal' from $.50 worth of double helpings at the toppings bar. I've been on the DIS for quite some time!

I'm a strong advocate of time = money: both ways. (If it saves $, was it worth the time? If it costs $, how much time did it save?)

The new mine train ride just isn't all that great. (Now Escape from Gringotts is a worthy objective!) Folks are likely to be disappointed that they put this much effort into obtaining a fastpass for it.

Only one is a violation of written rules while the other is within the Disney guidelines.

For us it isn't about 7dmt or any one ride. It is about magic bands in advance for the kids so we can decorate and so that we have earlier access to all things. ..adrs and rides so that we have the best chance at the schedule we want without having to compromise. If we want BOG at dinner I want to ensure we have the best chance to get it. For my family it isn't even an extra $10 a day for this extra perk. Well worth it for us.

 

[OtherScott]

Or paying for the double cheeseburger with an extra bun, to make a 'meal' from $.50 worth of double helpings at the toppings bar. I've been on the DIS for quite some time!

Oldie but goodie...I never quite understood why people didn't just cut double burger in half, something my wife and I do all the time when restaurants only offer half-pounders