Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[Disney_Princess83]

Again, I may miss out on a FP or ADR because someone who is not entitled to choose them at that time has gamed the system and exploited a flaw in the system to do so and I have chosen to follow the rules. That is where your right to a throwaway room ends. Rights are only extended to the point that they infringe on the rights of others.

However, people are entitled to the benefits that come from staying on site. They are paying for the room and therefore Disney doesn't care.

Your logic doesn't make sense. I have a right to book a stay at Disney World. Once I pay for the room I'am entitled to stay there. If someone misses out on a room because I booked it, that's life. It happens. I'm not infringing on your right, I purchased the right to stay in the room and the benefits that go with it. If Disney had a problem with this, they would close the loophole. If it's not against Disneys Policy, no one elses opinion matters. It's Disney that chooses what is and isn't allowed.

Several weeks ago we were at an Equestrian Event and I bought the very last plate of mini pancakes. People behind me missed out. Was I infringing on their rights because I took the last one? No, I just got there first.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

mousehockey, I'm just curious, I thought that you DID have to check in first for the MBs to work. Is that NOT the case?

Thanks,
Karen

No, they work from the time they are shipped. They don't need to be activated

 

[itchin2go]

Once again, it is the infringement on the benefits of those of us that choose to follow the intent and letter of the rules. I daresay that Disney did not intend for people to book a room for a night with no intention of using it in order to get the benefits for their entire stay OFF-SITE. With a throwaway room, you are taking advantage of a flaw in the program that was not intended by Disney.

There is a reason, just like at other central Florida resorts, that on-site guests get particular perks or benefits denied to those staying off-site. The 60 day window is one of them. The ADR's at 180+10, not having to CALL in everyday at the 180 day window to book your dining reservation is another. By purchasing a throw away room you are taking advantage of benefits you are not otherwise entitled to.

If we can make some comparisons: it is the same as getting a doctor's note to say you were sick when you were actually on vacation in order to save your vacation days and use sick days instead or buying a replacement product for one that broke and then taking the receipt back the next day with the old broken model to get your money back. You are gaming the system and intentionally misrepresenting yourself in order to get greater benefits than you are entitled to.

I could go one better and say it is the same thing as claiming more exemptions or deductions than you actually have in order to pay less taxes because you know the chances of actually getting caught are slim. This means someone else has to pay more taxes to cover your share. You are not entitled to greater benefits, but you are intentionally and knowingly exploiting a loophole for personal benefit. And that benefit to you is a detriment to those people who play the game by the rules.

Again, I may miss out on a FP or ADR because someone who is not entitled to choose them at that time has gamed the system and exploited a flaw in the system to do so and I have chosen to follow the rules. That is where your right to a throwaway room ends. Rights are only extended to the point that they infringe on the rights of others.

As has been pointed out several times, 180 +10 is no longer in play. It is 180 + length of stay. So if I'm staying one night, I get the benefits owed to a one night stay. Are you just ignoring this to try and prove your point?

With regard to FP, as I have pointed out several times, there are only two FP+ opportunities that MAY BE available at 60 days that would be likely to be unavailable at 30 days; A&E and Mine Train. That's it.

This idea that these unknown "throwaway room" people are taking away your FPs is pure conjecture.

"That is where your right to the throwaway room ends." ??? Says who? You pay for a room, you're entitled to the benefits. You are not in a position to bestow rights and take them away.

Big Brother is not checking beds at night and stealing from the "throwaway" people to give to the "righteous".

I will say again, I don't think this is even a rampant thing anymore. This cropped up when the offsiters were faced with having to book same day FP+s in the parks vs. 60 days advance for onsiters. This put a crimp in a lot of people's plans and they freaked. I don't think most are freaking over the 30 days vs. 60 days situation. I think your FPs are safe.

 

[cakebaker]

....They've been well aware this is happening and if they chose to could easily be stopped by them . They don't wish to do so as it means increased revenue to them....


....Quite frankly it is plain silly that anyone is still suggesting that there is anything wrong with this given that Disney doesn't think so....lol.

They very much cared that I was trying to book a single night. In fact, they tried their best to get me to give them the name of the online agent I chatted with on their website who encouraged me to book a longer stay than I intended, then cancel the days I did not need. The higher up I spoke with actually told me that had I given them the name, they would've been fired.


To say Disney doesn't care or that they endorse this method of getting benefits you aren't entitled to simply because you can get away with it, is as you say, plain silly. It's more of a matter that they've put up with as it hasn't been a huge issue that was costing them money up till the start of fastpass +.
I'm pretty sure when all you were gaining was the ability to spend more money with them, they even kinda liked it.

But now, there are apparently enough doing it that it's causing problems with bookings and that costs them money. They also realize it's taxing their precious fastpass + system they spent millions on. They want their guests to love the system. They want those staying offsite to love it enough that they'll move to onsite and when mom and dad who's staying in a suite at the Grand Floridian can't get little Suzie her meeting with Anna and Elsa cause mom and dad staying at Motel Six booked a night at the campgrounds- it's a problem. When a guest can't get their 10 day package vacation booked because the middle of the week is broken up with single night throwaway rooms- it's a problem.

Everything they've done in the last few years has been to encourage more people to stay within the bounds of Disney World. Do you really think they want people not staying onsite to get the same benefits as those that do? Xtra magic hours, early ADR, 60 days FP+- all to encourage people to stay onsite.

From the conversations I've had, they care a great deal now and are working to put a stop to it and close the loophole. My gripe is that in stopping the abuse of the system, they are penalizing guests who shouldn't be.

 

[itchin2go]

But now, there are apparently enough doing it that it's causing problems with bookings and that costs them money. They also realize it's taxing their precious fastpass + system they spent millions on. They want their guests to love the system. They want those staying offsite to love it enough that they'll move to onsite and when mom and dad who's staying in a suite at the Grand Floridian can't get little Suzie her meeting with Anna and Elsa cause mom and dad staying at Motel Six booked a night at the campgrounds- it's a problem.

With all due respect, this is pure conjecture. Others have pointed out no problems booking one night stays. We all know how reliable any given conversation with a CM is.

Also, I love how the onsite person in your example is staying at the GF, and the offsite person is staying at the Motel 6.

When the PP dismissed offsiters as staying at the HOJO, it felt elitist, and it feels the same now.

How exactly are you picturing offsiters? Do you really think the only offsite accommodations are the HOJO and the Motel 6?

We have stayed both onsite and offsite. I have never stayed at the Grand Floridian, nor have I stayed at the HoJo or the Motel 6.

And for the record, I have no intention of booking an Anna and Elsa fastpass. Rest easy, the fastpasses you have decided you are entitled to are safe from me.

 

[cakebaker]

With all due respect, this is pure conjecture. Others have pointed out no problems booking one night stays. We all know how reliable any given conversation with a CM is.

Also, I love how the onsite person in your example is staying at the GF, and the offsite person is staying at the Motel 6.

When the PP dismissed offsiters as staying at the HOJO, it felt elitist, and it feels the same now.

How exactly are you picturing offsiters? Do you really think the only offsite accommodations are the HOJO and the Motel 6?

We have stayed both onsite and offsite. I have never stayed at the Grand Floridian, nor have I stayed at the HoJo or the Motel 6.

And for the record, I have no intention of booking an Anna and Elsa fastpass. Rest easy, the fastpasses you have decided you are entitled to are safe from me.

Is there something wrong with staying at a Motel 6? I've never stay Grand Floridian either--but I have stayed at Motel 6. Sounds a little elitist ...

I have no intention of booking Anna and Elsa either. My grandson is fixated on Olaf, so until they get him at a meet n greet, no problems. But I haven't decided I'm entitled to any perks- Disney has. By staying onsite there are things I get that offsite guests are not entitled to- by Disney's design, not mine. They also left a gaping loophole that infringes on these benefits they tout for onsite guests. Again, up to them to put a stop to it, but not stopping it doesn't mean people should dig and hunt for ways around the system and then use them saying- hey, if they don't stop me, it must be ok.

Time will tell if they actually put measures in place to completely stop the abuse. I'm confident from what I was told, that they will.

 

[itchin2go]

You're the one who said this:

They want those staying offsite to love it enough that they'll move to onsite and when mom and dad who's staying in a suite at the Grand Floridian can't get little Suzie her meeting with Anna and Elsa cause mom and dad staying at Motel Six booked a night at the campgrounds- it's a problem.

Heaven forbid the Motel 6 people take something away from the Grand Floridian people ....

But I'M elitist?

 

[itchin2go]

Time will tell if they actually put measures in place to completely stop the abuse. I'm confident from what I was told, that they will.

Because of a conversation with a CM? Really?

 

[Disney_Princess83]

You're the one who said this:

Heaven forbid the Motel 6 people take something away from the Grand Floridian people ....

But I'M elitist?

We are staying off site and are paying much more than if we stayed at Music/Movies ect It's not always about the money. We just personally prefer offsite and we are AP Holders too.

 

[cakebaker]

Because of a conversation with a CM? Really?

It wasn't a single conversation and it wasn't with a guest services CM.
But had I talked to no one, I would believe they'll stop the abuse of the system. It's counter productive to their goal...which is to encourage onsite stays.

But I'm sure there's time to get what you can this summer and fall.

Next time I need an extra day, I'll just lie and book a longer vacation and cancel what I don't need rather than be honest about what I'm doing.....they haven't figured out a fix for that yet.

 

[itchin2go]

But had I talked to no one, I would believe they'll stop the abuse of the system. It's counter productive to their goal...which is to encourage onsite stays.

A "throwaway room" IS an onsite stay.

 

[chrism444]

Hi all -

I've being following this topic for a few days. I have a question - If someone books a stay for say 7 nights, makes fast pass+ selections for those days and then cancels all but one night, do they keep the fast passes for the other 6 days?

Thanks, Chris

 

[itchin2go]

Hi all -

I've being following this topic for a few days. I have a question - If someone books a stay for say 7 nights, makes fast pass+ selections for those days and then cancels all but one night, do they keep the fast passes for the other 6 days?

Thanks, Chris

I don't have any experience with this, but I personally would be scared to do anything that might jeopardize FPs that are already booked. FPs have disappeared for no reason at all.

 

[cakebaker]

A "throwaway room" IS an onsite stay.

In a sentence, you just described what the loophole is. Yes, technically, the system looks at a throwaway as an onsite stay.

In reality, you're not staying onsite if you aren't staying onsite. You're booking a room and staying offsite.

 

[doconeill]

I've mentioned this, probably long ago in this thread before, that Disney _saves_ money with people booking throwaway rooms, in the general sense. They get the income of the room, but don't have to have the room cleaned, etc. They _may_ lose money from incidental income - food and merchandise from the resort stores, etc. - but how much of that do you get from someone who actually DOES stay one night? Of course, to _really_ save money on maintenance, there has to be enough to actually warrant reduction in staff.

I think where it might become a problem is when enough of those one room throwaways start causing problems with scheduling longer stays, because it results in lots of "holes" in the schedule. THAT is the point that Disney can lose money.

As for the PP who kickstarted this thread again, saying it was cheaper than buying MagicBands for everyone...was that your only reason for doing this? I don't see any benefit to _having_ the MagicBands themselves that would warrant the expense that wouldn't also require checking in to the resort (to do room charging).

 

[EPCOTatNight]

With regard to FP, as I have pointed out several times, there are only two FP+ opportunities that MAY BE available at 60 days that would be likely to be unavailable at 30 days; A&E and Mine Train. That's it.

This idea that these unknown "throwaway room" people are taking away your FPs is pure conjecture.

EXACTLY! We're going to WDW next week. Guess when I booked our FP+? Last night. I had no problems getting what I wanted at the times that I wanted them.

 

[anniemae]

I am not understanding the concept. If you book one night as a throwaway room, do you only get to use the "perks" i.e. the bands, fp+ etc. for that one day? How are people booking one night but getting a weeks worth of the benefits?

 

[itchin2go]

I am not understanding the concept. If you book one night as a throwaway room, do you only get to use the "perks" i.e. the bands, fp+ etc. for that one day? How are people booking one night but getting a weeks worth of the benefits?

This concept started back when FP+ was being rolled out. For a time, offsite folks could not pre-book FP+. They could only book in the parks on the "day of".

As a result, people started looking into booking a one night stay as a way to gain access to pre-booking their FP+.

Now that offsite folks can book FPs 30 days in advance, it's no longer such a big thing.

If you book one night at a Disney resort NOW, you can get:

(1) Magic Bands for your party
(2) Free parking at the parks for 2 days (check in and check out days)
(3) 180 + 1 (?) ADR booking rights (180 + length of stay) - NOT 180 +10
(4) Possibly the ability to book FPs at 60 days out (from each day of your park visit (no confirmed reports lately)).

What this is worth to any given person is going to vary.

Again, back when offsite people had no FP pre-book privileges, this was a much bigger deal. The added value then was a lot more than the added value now.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Ok I walked away and slept on it. Summary for me: There is a lot of conjecture being thrown around. Way back somewhere when this thread started my position was, " Your money do want you want, it doesn't matter to me where you put your head down to sleep at night". When I saw new posts my initial thought was " Throwaway rooms is still something people are doing ? "

So in true human nature, I reacted when I saw that what was being said now could affect ME Bottom line is because it's posted on the internet and one person had a experience doesn't make it gospel truth. I'm not saying it isn't true what happened I am just saying I am chalking this up to rumor until proven otherwise. (No more one night booking.)

I STILL feel taking a " throwaway " from the fort is wrong. The fort is an experience like none other and there is a whole community of people that this is their place. Check out that forum section...maybe even read the opinions over there about this whole " take away a spot for a make believe stay"

Just because it happens to be the least expensive way to go for someone to book a tent site, trust me there is nothing cheap about the camping way of life. There is also a true community feel that IMHO is not experienced anywhere else at WDW meaning. I don't care how often people go and whether they stay at POP or DVC CL it's not the " I know these people for years, they are family" vibe that is typical there.


Yes I KNOW your money to not sleep there vs their money to actually sleep there shouldn't matter right ? It does though. I would personally love to see when someone books a tent site they have to actually go there for checkin
and prove they have a tent. No this wouldn't be " Big Brother police" this would be proving you are not taking your car and sleeping in it. Will it happen ? No. In the meanwhile, it's still a loophole, and it's not illegal or anything it's just ( oh I hate this phrase ) It is what it is.

AND who gives more money to Mickey on-site VS off-site ? Well that has been a weak argument for years. On-site could be eating PB & Jelly sandwiches for every meal the duration of the stay. Off-siters could be paying OOP for expensive TS, character meals, etc and buying Limited Edition collectibles no one knows and it shouldn't even be in this " debate".

Well I am sure others could have stated their opinions more eloquently than I just did but it's my opinion and that's all I can think of to say right now.

 

[4077]

I think what it comes down to is that there is the " throw away room" option that works for the time being. Disney is not stupid, I am sure they know that this is used. Agree with it or not, it is there. Only Disney can decide if they want to stop it from being used, and they certainly have the ability to make it go away IF they decide it is worth doing so. The best thing a person who doesn't like it can do is make their displeasure known to Disney via Disney communications channels. I don't use it, we always stay on property for a week, and therefore " follow" the "rules". While I may not like that I could be locked out of a campsite or room, there is really nothing I can do about it (other than communicate my opinion to Disney if I feel I need to), nor do I feel I can fault other guests for using this ability...I mean, Disney is ALLOWING it to happen.

I also like your post above Luvchefmic.....