Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[doconeill]

I do not think this issue will go away soon. So what are your thoughts on how to solve this issue? If you look at numbers Disney probably averages @90,000 people a day during the summer. Imagine that many people making fast pass selections over a 60 day period. 90,000 times 60 days, times 3 fast passes. Wow! and that is not even counting fast pass changes! And consider that some off us will be making fast pass changes the day of simply due to weather! As someone who stays off Disney I am jealous over the fast pass reservations that resort people make, however I understand the issues. Disney can use someone's resort reservation as a gateway to allow access for a certain period of time based on the reservation and number of days on the ticket. How can Disney manage that for those of us off the resort. Would we be willing to accept the idea that once we schedule fast pass plus during a day using our ticket we will not be able to switch the day and must use the ticket in that park on that day? Otherwise holding a 8 day Disney park hopper ticket could have someone making fast pass plus reservation and changing it every day until they finally visit. Do we not think that Disney may charge us for this service like Universal does for its front of line program? If they do charge per person how quickly will it equal the cost of a room, at which point we all will be at Disney? If you are a family of 4 and Disney charges lets say $20 per day for ticket service at certain times of the year the budget resorts would be cheaper, however their rooms are very small. At this point would it be OK to book the Disney room and stay off site for a room actually big enough for your family to be comfortable? Do you think this issue may lead Disney to do minimum length of stays at resorts like many beach hotels do during the busy summer months? For example you must stay for at least the length of your tickets? That would solve the one day reservation issue. I will be interested to read anyone's ideas.........

Disney already has a solution and is working on rolling it out.

EVERYONE gets advanced Fastpass+ - so long as you have a ticket in hand (registered online).

They have started testing it already. When it is available to everyone - problem solved.

Not much reason to dwell on this further.

 

[momimouse27]

If I'm understanding correctly, it's not enough to book a room and pay for it. Now, in addition, you must account for how and when it's used? Because basically this what some of these posts are saying.

If you're paying for the room, what should anyone be able to say about how you're using it? It doesn't really matter if you're taking up a camping spot or a room, you're paying Disney for that. And you had as much right to book it as anyone else.

 

[LisaCat]

Disney already has a solution and is working on rolling it out.

EVERYONE gets advanced Fastpass+ - so long as you have a ticket in hand (registered online).

They have started testing it already. When it is available to everyone - problem solved.

Not much reason to dwell on this further.

I will be interested to see how this will work for people like me who hold the Premiere AP. It's linked to My Disney Experience (or whatever that planning site is called), but I will be staying offsite for 5 days and onsite for 3. Like I said, I will be interested to see how this will play out...

 

[doconeill]

I will be interested to see how this will work for people like me who hold the Premiere AP. It's linked to My Disney Experience (or whatever that planning site is called), but I will be staying offsite for 5 days and onsite for 3. Like I said, I will be interested to see how this will play out...

Annual Passholders should have access shortly - AND you'll be able to get MagicBands as well at no charge.

 

[nugov2]

Buying a collector car and not driving it is apples and oranges here. I understand that the practice of a throwaway room isn't "illegal". Doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's right. One of the "perks" of staying onsite is EMH. The whole point is so that onsite guests get more time in the parks with less crowds. It's not right that people that are gaming the system can take advantage of that.

I'm not saying that people that do this are bad people or whatever. I just think it's shady, and I wouldn't feel right doing it. Eventually, these scenarios always end up costing everyone in the long run. For example, if Disney knows people are using the cheaper campsites for this, they will raise the campsite price. This hurts the people that legitimately stay there. Or people that use Disney transportation that aren't really staying onsite. This clogs up the buses etc for the legit guests.

No it's not...it is exactly the same. What if I book a hotel for a friends wedding so I can use the complimentary transportation for wedding guests to the reception from the hotel so I can ride with all of my friends, but I like my own bed so at the end of the night I take the bus back to the hotel and get in my car and drive home. Does that mean I am an unethical human being for not using the hotel room?

I don't get why this makes people mad. People purchase things they don't want all the time to get a perk. It is why companies offer the perk or freebie. Buy something to get a free perk. What if my store gives away a princess figure for buying 2 disney movies. I buy them but never use them b/c I wanted the special figure...I mean the list of examples are endless. If I want to spend money on something to get something else that I couldn't get without buying the first thing, that is my prerogative. I am meeting all the terms and conditions. Is it just people who don't have the disposable income to waste are jealous or are people this self righteous?

ETA: So it seems like some are mad b/c the hotel/site is booked so taking away from someone who truly wanted to use it and couldn't get it...well that life we can't always get what we want and why waiting is always a risk. The person who doesn't sleep there is still using it, just the way they want to not the way you want to use it.

 

[flutterby3744]

No it's not...it is exactly the same. What if I book a hotel for a friends wedding so I can use the complimentary transportation for wedding guests to the reception from the hotel so I can ride with all of my friends, but I like my own bed so at the end of the night I take the bus back to the hotel and get in my car and drive home. Does that mean I am an unethical human being for not using the hotel room? I don't get why this makes people mad. People purchase things they don't want all the time to get a perk. It is why companies offer the perk or freebie. Buy something to get a free perk. What if my store gives away a princess figure for buying 2 disney movies. I buy them but never use them b/c I wanted the special figure...I mean the list of examples are endless. If I want to spend money on something to get something else that I couldn't get without buying the first thing, that is my prerogative. I am meeting all the terms and conditions. Is it just people who don't have the disposable income to waste are jealous or are people this self righteous?

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not mad, I'm not self righteous, and I'm certainly not jealous. Not that it matters, but if I wanted to throw away money on a dummy room, I could. All I stated is that it's unethical to ME, and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. In my experience, one bad apple spoils the bunch and companies can and do implement regulations to combat these practices, ruining it for legitimate guests. Just to be clear, I don't take issue with a split stay. Like staying onsite a few days, and then going off site or whatever. I'm uncomfortable with booking a throwaway room expressly to take advantage of the "perks" and wasting it. If YOU are ok with it fine, but you don't get to complain when Disney retaliates. Mkay?

Like a PP said, Disney could start implementing things like minimum stays...thus ruining it for people that legitimately like splitting their accommodations. This is not outside of possibility. Look at the cc reserve for ADRs now. This was implemented because of people that took advantage of the system by booking multiple ADRs at once so they could choose which ADR they would show for at their leisure. This hurt the restaurant by holding a res and it hurt other guests because they were taking a valuable spot that another, legitimate, patron couldn't have. Now, EVERYONE pays the price. Stuck in line and miss your res? Too bad. Transportation too slow? Too bad. Just want to change plans on the fly? Too bad. One too many bad apples spoiled the bunch.

Another example is people "hiring" people with disabilities to get VIP through the park. Some said, who is it hurting? The disabled are getting paid, they are willing, and they know exactly what they are doing. No one was being coerced. Who does it hurt? They get paid, and I get to fast track all the lines etc. Now Disney has changed policies to combat this, in turn making it more difficult for legitimate guests with disabilities and their families.

Look this is just my opinion. I don't condemn anyone for it. No, no one is breaking the rules. I just don't PERSONALLY feel it's right, and could lead to more restrictions down the road.

 

[Jennasis]

disney already has a solution and is working on rolling it out.

Everyone gets advanced fastpass+ - so long as you have a ticket in hand (registered online).

They have started testing it already. When it is available to everyone - problem solved.

Not much reason to dwell on this further.

ftw!

 

[nugov2]

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not mad, I'm not self righteous, and I'm certainly not jealous. Not that it matters, but if I wanted to throw away money on a dummy room, I could. All I stated is that it's unethical to ME, and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. In my experience, one bad apple spoils the bunch and companies can and do implement regulations to combat these practices, ruining it for legitimate guests. Just to be clear, I don't take issue with a split stay. Like staying onsite a few days, and then going off site or whatever. I'm uncomfortable with booking a throwaway room expressly to take advantage of the "perks" and wasting it. If YOU are ok with it fine, but you don't get to complain when Disney retaliates. Mkay?

Like a PP said, Disney could start implementing things like minimum stays...thus ruining it for people that legitimately like splitting their accommodations. This is not outside of possibility. Look at the cc reserve for ADRs now. This was implemented because of people that took advantage of the system by booking multiple ADRs at once so they could choose which ADR they would show for at their leisure. This hurt the restaurant by holding a res and it hurt other guests because they were taking a valuable spot that another, legitimate, patron couldn't have. Now, EVERYONE pays the price. Stuck in line and miss your res? Too bad. Transportation too slow? Too bad. Just want to change plans on the fly? Too bad. One too many bad apples spoiled the bunch.

Another example is people "hiring" people with disabilities to get VIP through the park. Some said, who is it hurting? The disabled are getting paid, they are willing, and they know exactly what they are doing. No one was being coerced. Who does it hurt? They get paid, and I get to fast track all the lines etc. Now Disney has changed policies to combat this, in turn making it more difficult for legitimate guests with disabilities and their families.

Look this is just my opinion. I don't condemn anyone for it. No, no one is breaking the rules. I just don't PERSONALLY feel it's right, and could lead to more restrictions down the road.

WDW implemented a ADR CC hold to line their pockets, not to stop people from making multiple ADR's. You actually can still make all the ADR's you want, just cancel them within 24 hours. That still gives people the opportunity to hoard ADR's, but you just have to cancel the day before(which I believe most ADR hoarders did).

The VIP/GAC is nowhere near the same. Booking a room to get a perk isn't even in the same universe as that. Companies offer perks to purchase something all the time, do you think that the company cares what you do with the product once you buy it(as long as you are not breaking the law). They don't and they will not change a practice that is doing exactly what they want it to....get more people to buy what they are selling. Do you think WDW knows or cares what someone does with their room once they have paid for it.

Unethical would be booking the room and canceling/not paying for it and keeping the perk. What if someone sleeps in that room for the night...would that make it ok or is it still an issue they can book FP+ for the whole stay? What about AP holders that have stayed on site once, but can continue to book even when they don't have a hotel stay...are they operating in an unethical way?

Just curious, have you ever bought something you normally wouldn't have to get something else? Signed up for a subscription(or a CC) for a free gift. Opened a bank account for the perk and then cancelled it or never used it long term. Signed up for a free trial, with no intention of keeping it beyond the 3 free months? All of those are exactly the same as the throwaway room.

 

[flutterby3744]

WDW implemented a ADR CC hold to line their pockets, not to stop people from making multiple ADR's. You actually can still make all the ADR's you want, just cancel them within 24 hours. That still gives people the opportunity to hoard ADR's, but you just have to cancel the day before(which I believe most ADR hoarders did). The VIP/GAC is nowhere near the same. Booking a room to get a perk isn't even in the same universe as that. Companies offer perks to purchase something all the time, do you think that the company cares what you do with the product once you buy it(as long as you are not breaking the law). They don't and they will not change a practice that is doing exactly what they want it to....get more people to buy what they are selling. Do you think WDW knows or cares what someone does with their room once they have paid for it. Unethical would be booking the room and canceling/not paying for it and keeping the perk. What if someone sleeps in that room for the night...would that make it ok or is it still an issue they can book FP+ for the whole stay? What about AP holders that have stayed on site once, but can continue to book even when they don't have a hotel stay...are they operating in an unethical way? Just curious, have you ever bought something you normally wouldn't have to get something else? Signed up for a subscription(or a CC) for a free gift. Opened a bank account for the perk and then cancelled it or never used it long term. Signed up for a free trial, with no intention of keeping it beyond the 3 free months? All of those are exactly the same as the throwaway room.

I wouldn't sign up for something knowing there were a limited amount of availabilites, and I am taking it away from someone that legitimately wants it. No. I wouldn't do that and then say you snooze, you lose. But that is me.

 

[ladeedeb]

We are booked onsite, have ADRs and FP+ reserved, & MBs should be in the mail. Our trip is about 5 weeks out. We have the opportunity to stay offsite in a much bigger area for a much smaller price tag. If we cancel now, do we actually lose everything that has been done? If we cancel just before the trip do we lose it? Not asking for moral comments, just logistical information. We don't plan on switching at this time, but I would like to know if anyone has done this, and what happened. I would like to know what would happen to our FP+s and how would it show up on my disney experience account. Thanks.

 

[Silock]

We are booked onsite, have ADRs and FP+ reserved, & MBs should be in the mail. Our trip is about 5 weeks out. We have the opportunity to stay offsite in a much bigger area for a much smaller price tag. If we cancel now, do we actually lose everything that has been done? If we cancel just before the trip do we lose it? Not asking for moral comments, just logistical information. We don't plan on switching at this time, but I would like to know if anyone has done this, and what happened. I would like to know what would happen to our FP+s and how would it show up on my disney experience account. Thanks.

You will lose the FP+ selections, but your MBs will work.

 

[SolitaryPhoenix]

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not mad, I'm not self righteous, and I'm certainly not jealous. Not that it matters, but if I wanted to throw away money on a dummy room, I could. All I stated is that it's unethical to ME, and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. In my experience, one bad apple spoils the bunch and companies can and do implement regulations to combat these practices, ruining it for legitimate guests. Just to be clear, I don't take issue with a split stay. Like staying onsite a few days, and then going off site or whatever. I'm uncomfortable with booking a throwaway room expressly to take advantage of the "perks" and wasting it. If YOU are ok with it fine, but you don't get to complain when Disney retaliates. Mkay?

Like a PP said, Disney could start implementing things like minimum stays...thus ruining it for people that legitimately like splitting their accommodations. This is not outside of possibility. Look at the cc reserve for ADRs now. This was implemented because of people that took advantage of the system by booking multiple ADRs at once so they could choose which ADR they would show for at their leisure. This hurt the restaurant by holding a res and it hurt other guests because they were taking a valuable spot that another, legitimate, patron couldn't have. Now, EVERYONE pays the price. Stuck in line and miss your res? Too bad. Transportation too slow? Too bad. Just want to change plans on the fly? Too bad. One too many bad apples spoiled the bunch.

Another example is people "hiring" people with disabilities to get VIP through the park. Some said, who is it hurting? The disabled are getting paid, they are willing, and they know exactly what they are doing. No one was being coerced. Who does it hurt? They get paid, and I get to fast track all the lines etc. Now Disney has changed policies to combat this, in turn making it more difficult for legitimate guests with disabilities and their families.

Look this is just my opinion. I don't condemn anyone for it. No, no one is breaking the rules. I just don't PERSONALLY feel it's right, and could lead to more restrictions down the road.

In total agreement with this. Just because there's no rule against it per se, doesn't make it right to do it.

 

[ladeedeb]

You will lose the FP+ selections, but your MBs will work.

Thanks. That's what I thought. I also wondered how it would show up on mydisneyexperience account. Whether the FPs would just disappear or something like that.

Thank you again.

 

[Robo]

>wondered how it would show up on mydisneyexperience account. Whether the FPs would just disappear or something like that.

Heck, that happens all the time to guests who DON'T cancel anything.

 

[cmurray234]

There is nothing unethical or even morally questionable about booking a throw-away room/campsite.

I equate it most closely with people who book 2 seats on an airplane because they like to "stretch out". Is this annoying at times? could be if the flight is sold out. But there is a BIG difference between "it annoys me" and "that is UNETHICAL".

Unethical would be if they found a way to book a room/campsite, gained the benefits of doing so and then somehow managed to get their money back. I haven't seen anyone on here claiming to have done that. What I see are people willing to pay twice for the same night's accommodations because of the staggered FP+ rollout.

They've paid for the same privilege as everyone else. They're just not taking up seats on the bus or spots in the shower.

In short, just because you don't like something doesn't make it inherently unethical.

 

[cmurray234]

Heck, that happens all the time to guests who DON'T cancel anything.

 

[Hej2222]

There is nothing unethical or even morally questionable about booking a throw-away room/campsite.

I equate it most closely with people who book 2 seats on an airplane because they like to "stretch out". Is this annoying at times? could be if the flight is sold out. But there is a BIG difference between "it annoys me" and "that is UNETHICAL".

Unethical would be if they found a way to book a room/campsite, gained the benefits of doing so and then somehow managed to get their money back. I haven't seen anyone on here claiming to have done that. What I see are people willing to pay twice for the same night's accommodations because of the staggered FP+ rollout.

They've paid for the same privilege as everyone else. They're just not taking up seats on the bus or spots in the shower.

In short, just because you don't like something doesn't make it inherently unethical.

I totally agree with that. If you pay for the room you can use it any way you want it. We had a throwaway room in November in the middle of our trip. We checked in at 7 AM, parked the car at the resort and took a bus to MK. We came back to the resort at 3 PM, went to the room, took 1 hour nap, did DD's nebulizer and percussion vest treatment, showered, made coffee and then left on the bus to MK again. After fireworks we came back to the resort, got our car and went back to our rental house. We did not spend the night in the room so someone could say that the room was not used for the night accomodations. But we paid for the room and used it the way we needed.
When I book our rental house for a week I sometimes add an extra night at the beginning of our trip so we can get in the house in the morning instead of waiting for 4 PM check-in. Sometimes when we reserve a hotel on the beach I would add an extra night at the end so we could take a shower and have dinner after the last beach day and then leave for home in the evening instead of checking out in AM. In each scenario we pay for extra night even we do not actually stay overnight. I do not think it is unethical.

 

[nugov2]

There is nothing unethical or even morally questionable about booking a throw-away room/campsite.

I equate it most closely with people who book 2 seats on an airplane because they like to "stretch out". Is this annoying at times? could be if the flight is sold out. But there is a BIG difference between "it annoys me" and "that is UNETHICAL".

Unethical would be if they found a way to book a room/campsite, gained the benefits of doing so and then somehow managed to get their money back. I haven't seen anyone on here claiming to have done that. What I see are people willing to pay twice for the same night's accommodations because of the staggered FP+ rollout.

They've paid for the same privilege as everyone else. They're just not taking up seats on the bus or spots in the shower.

In short, just because you don't like something doesn't make it inherently unethical.

Thanks for saying it better than I could! Comparing it to GAC abuse is just nuts

 

[Luvchefmic]

I stated a long time ago my opinion when this first came up, probably on another thread I could not care less what someone else does with their money or where they choose to lay their head down at night Not even on my radar screen

As so many others have said YOU ( the disappointed ) have the same opportunities to book a room or camp site as anyone else in the whole world...the whole world people not just us Dissers Nothing unethical, immoral, or unfair about it At best a case of sour grapes FWIW I think many of the nay sayers may be put off by the term " throw away room" ie- I want it, it doesn't mean anything to you, and it's not fair...well c'mon time to be grown ups about all this Set an alarm, stalk the website, whatever you have to do to get the reservation you want just like everyone else has to do Someone pays for a room/camp site they can put a big stuffed animal in the bed, kiss it goodnight, and close the door behind them Why care ?

 

[flutterby3744]

I totally agree with that. If you pay for the room you can use it any way you want it. We had a throwaway room in November in the middle of our trip. We checked in at 7 AM, parked the car at the resort and took a bus to MK. We came back to the resort at 3 PM, went to the room, took 1 hour nap, did DD's nebulizer and percussion vest treatment, showered, made coffee and then left on the bus to MK again. After fireworks we came back to the resort, got our car and went back to our rental house. We did not spend the night in the room so someone could say that the room was not used for the night accomodations. But we paid for the room and used it the way we needed.
When I book our rental house for a week I sometimes add an extra night at the beginning of our trip so we can get in the house in the morning instead of waiting for 4 PM check-in. Sometimes when we reserve a hotel on the beach I would add an extra night at the end so we could take a shower and have dinner after the last beach day and then leave for home in the evening instead of checking out in AM. In each scenario we pay for extra night even we do not actually stay overnight. I do not think it is unethical.

You are USING the room though. To me, that is different. In my eyes, it's all about the motive. If you are actually utilizing the room for something, I could care less if you actually sleep there. My problem is with taking up a room/campsite for the sole purpose of gaining onsite perks and never stepping foot in it. You are a perfect example of the point I was making. If Disney were to clamp down on this practice, your family wouldn't be able to use the resorts for your purposes, and it would no longer be a convenient option for you.

Thanks for saying it better than I could! Comparing it to GAC abuse is just nuts

I wasn't comparing it on a "hierarchy of sins" level. I was using it as an example of Disney changing their policies to combat abuse of a system.


I won't contribute any more to this circular argument. It's obvious that some people think it's ok, and some don't. My whole point was it doesn't feel right to ME, and I wouldn't be comfortable with it.