Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[goofy4tink]

I disagree- I believe that advance FP+ is meant to be rolled out to ALL park guests, not just resort guests. Disney themselves has NEVER claimed this is a resort perk or part of a package. DDP IS part of a package so totally different. Closing what you perceive as a loophole is counterintuitive to this. That would cut off AP and reg MYW tickets, which inevitably I believe will all get advanced FP+. I don't believe it's a loophole at all, I believe it's the way the system is meant to work eventually and that during the roll out, the stay was the trigger. Eventually (whenever the Disney braintrust decided to fully implement this) the ticket itself will be the trigger.

Maybe so. But right now, the only way to get advanced FP+ is to be onsite. My issue is with the way the system is right now...you have to be booked into a WDW owned resort in order to do advance FP+. It doesn't matter if you have a 10 day hopper or an AP...you have to be spending a night at an onsite resort. Yes, you do have to have park media for the days you want to get FP+ for. But.....if you are staying at Gaylord Palms (for instance), it doesn't matter what park pass you have, or the length of stay for it...you don't get to make advance FP+. Even those staying at the S/D don't get to make advance FP+...yet.
Either make it good for everyone or not. This whole practice of booking a room for one night is crazy. Disney needs to do something about it...either make it truly for those staying onsite, for the days they have park passes and a room booked for, or let everyone book them..for the number of days they have passes for, regardless of where they are staying.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree that throwaway rooms won't continue for long, but imo that will be because Disney will open up advance booking to all MYW ticket holders. Onsite may still get a +10 (or more) advantage, but I don't believe prebooking was ever intended to be a resort perk forever, just something necessary while testing the system.

 

[MrInfinity]

I don't see a problem w adding a room you won't sleep in to your reservation to turn it into a resort stay.

Or, adding a person to your room to get a 2nd MB and 6 FP+.

Money talks. If you are well off enough to be able such extra costs then well done.

You have to consider the alternative to spending that same amount of money on these extras tho. For example, instead of adding a person to your room to get 6 FP+ you could probly extend your stay a few days to get you more days. Which is better? Up to each individual.

Would you prefer to take a 6-day stay and cut it down to 4-days but get 6fp+ per day instead of 3? That's approximately what the expenditure tradeoff comes down to.

 

[DisneyRunner2009]

I'm just curious.

 

[CanadaJulie]

I truly believe we will see the time come when FP+ is tied to our resort stay...you get to make FP+, in advance, for the days you are actually at the resort. Cancel the resort, and your FP+ get cancelled too. It's ridiculous to have people booking a WDW resort stay for one night in order to book a week's worth of FP+. It should be done the same way DDP is...you get it for the night's you are staying there. If you have a park pass for 7 nights, but only book one night at Pop (for instance) and then move out to stay offsite? You should be able to get FP+ for the time you are at Pop. Then book FP+ each day..just like the other offsite people!

I guess Disney disagrees with you.

According to this thread, offsite guests will be able to book FP+ 60 days out. This starts on April 7th.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3230146&page=2

Unfortunately for me, I go before that. So I'm stuck with a throwaway room as my only option. Unless I want t book 'day-of' by standing in line at a kiosk.

 

[kbmets]

I'm just curious.

Not really a throw away room, as I cancelled my first night at Swan and booked the first night at All-Stars Movies. I now get to use Magical Express and free luggage transfer between hotels.

 

[ArwenMarie]

If prebooking ends up being an onsite perk only, and if they close this glitch/feature of the throwaway room...they will also be able to charge more and give less discounts for staying onsite.

Offsite lodging offers more supply that puts pressure on the price of the Disney rooms...The more Disney can differentiate their own hotel offerings, the higher prices onsite will be paying.

 

[doconeill]

I guess Disney disagrees with you.

According to this thread, offsite guests will be able to book FP+ 60 days out. This starts on April 7th.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3230146&page=2

Unfortunately for me, I go before that. So I'm stuck with a throwaway room as my only option. Unless I want t book 'day-of' by standing in line at a kiosk.

Nothing in that thread is official - but all the evidence seems to say that it is coming.

 

[ciera321]

I don't see a problem w adding a room you won't sleep in to your reservation to turn it into a resort stay.

Or, adding a person to your room to get a 2nd MB and 6 FP+.

I apologize if this has been explained, but I haven't read all 43 pages...If someone adds a "make believe" person to their room just to get an extra MB, don't those bands have to have a ticket attached AND be activated at the front gate in order for them to work????

 

[kisaacs]

Well, we're going in August, and I looked at this option back in September just to hedge my bets. We're a party of 8 (6 adults, 2 kids) and we have 3 cars. So, we booked a campsite. I know, I know, there aren't a lot of campsites, I've heard the complaints. But for us, it may make sense. We booked it for the duration of our stay because I wasn't sure if the 1-night thing would make sense, and there are some real benefits to us having it the whole time.

We'll be there for 8 nights, 9 days. The total cost of the campsite is $468. We have 9 days that we'll park 3 cars at a park, so that's $45 per day that's offset, for a total of $405. So, for our entire stay, it'll cost us an extra $63 (or less than $1 per day per person) for extra magic hours and potentially some fastpass advantage. I'm waiting for it all to shake out to decide what I'm going to do with it (keep, cancel, etc), but that's my logic and why it makes sense for me.

FWIW, it doesn't make sense for us all to stay onsite in one of the resorts because of the size of our party. We'd need 3 rooms, and we can get a great 4-5 bedroom house for around $800-$1000 for the entire time.

 

[MrInfinity]

I apologize if this has been explained, but I haven't read all 43 pages...If someone adds a "make believe" person to their room just to get an extra MB, don't those bands have to have a ticket attached AND be activated at the front gate in order for them to work????

Yes, of course.

Put Band A on your wrist. Enter park. Swipe band.

Walk out. Go back in line. Put Band B on your wrist. Enter park. Swipe band.

You're now two ppl in the park. Both are active.

Or use one at morning park and the other at an evening park. It's really quite simple. Disney won't care cuz you've paid for two full people.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

There have been reports Disney is working on a system to prevent this in the near future.

FYI

AKK

 

[kisaacs]

There have been reports Disney is working on a system to prevent this in the near future.

So much of what they're doing right now is up in the air and changing. I think that's exactly why some people are booking a room "just in case". I'm really hoping they get all the craziness worked out and I won't need it!

 

[winthropf]

Yes, of course.

Put Band A on your wrist. Enter park. Swipe band.

Walk out. Go back in line. Put Band B on your wrist. Enter park. Swipe band.

You're now two ppl in the park. Both are active.

Or use one at morning park and the other at an evening park. It's really quite simple. Disney won't care cuz you've paid for two full people.

But this is nothing new to MB. You could always buy two tickets and then use both of them to enter the park and draw FP-. The only difference now is the 3 FP+ limitation per ticket.

 

[ciera321]

That's what I thought, but I can't imagine paying for 2 tickets just to get EXTRA 3 FP+s. Thought I was missing something...

 

[rimomma66]

There have been reports Disney is working on a system to prevent this in the near future.

I personally think the only system Disney is working on to prevent this is by opening advance FP+ to all ticket holders. Everyone has their personal beliefs on whether it's "right" or not, I personally am not going to throw money away just for FP+. I don't care if others do. I'm not going to take it personally. But then again my son is 4 and I'm not going to lose my mind if I can't ride something.
BUT, I seriously doubt Disney does anything to stop this. It's too profitable for them and with the likelihood that ALL park tickets will be able to book advance FP+ very soon, it wouldn't make sense for them to "shut it off" just to turn it back on.
JMHO

 

[Planogirl]

That's what I thought, but I can't imagine paying for 2 tickets just to get EXTRA 3 FP+s. Thought I was missing something...

I was thinking that you could go to a park and use 3 FP+ and then go to another park and use the other band for 3 FP+ there. You could in effect park hopper without a hopper.

That would be an awfully pricey way to visit WDW though.

 

[MrInfinity]

I was thinking that you could go to a park and use 3 FP+ and then go to another park and use the other band for 3 FP+ there. You could in effect park hopper without a hopper.

That would be an awfully pricey way to visit WDW though.

It is. Changing a room with 2 ppl to a room with 4 ppl on a 7-day / 6-nt stay adds around $950 to the price.

So... divide by 2 ppl, 7 days, 3 fp per day = about $23 per FP+ ride.

On shorter stays it'll be higher than that, and on longer stays it'll be less. But it's a ballpark of approximately the value of an FP+ ride.

 

[ciera321]

Right! As much as I'd love to have more than 3 FP+, I'm not about to double our ticket price from $1700 to $3,400 just to get them. I'll wait and hope that Disney will soon up that 3 to at least a 4!!!

 

[debbiechels]

What exactly is a throw away room??