Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[Luckybee]

Just for clarity, the perk of the free room (and food, and drink) has conditions. You really do have to gamble enough - aka spend enough money - to qualify for the "freebies (that you've earned based on previous play). Las Vegas hotels also designate some rooms for this purpose.

Disney doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, reserve any rooms/campsites for people who don't plan to stay in them. There's someone posting daily from Pop Century right now who's been told the hotel is at 100% occupancy.

You missed the point of the Vegas analogy. Of course you have to gamble that isn't an issue. The comparison was to those who book 2 or 3 or in some cases 4 different rooms with full knowledge of various casinos/hotels. And no the freebies are not always based on previous play. We've never stayed at Wynn's but because of a host we once had elsewhere we get offers that include" upfront comps" all the time to stay there. And no they do't designate "some rooms for that purpose" all rooms in a casino hotel are available for that purpose if they have enough gamblers coming in. Off topic but they would walk non casino hotel guests before they'll turn a player away even if the player wasn't sleeping in that room.
I cant wait to see a hotel anywhere in the world where someone actually says "even though you've paid for this room because you aren't going to sleep in it you've done something wrong " Quite frankly I think there are some moral compasses on tilt.

 

[Laketravis]

Except that there is absolutely nothing I am doing wrong here. Going 80 is illegal as is shoplifting.

I am booking a 1 night stay at a hotel which I am paying for in order to obtain the perks offered with that room for our arrival day and our departure day. We are going to sleep elsewhere. Im sorry but imho to think there is anything "wrong" with that is bizarre thinking. We're paying for that room the same way as someone who sleeps in it would be. I'm quite confident that no one at Disney cares where I sleep. What I also don't get is why thoise who seem to think there is something "wrong" with this don't just call for themselves and get it from the horse's mouth.

 

[Laketravis]

You missed the point of the Vegas analogy. Of course you have to gamble that isn't an issue. The comparison was to those who book 2 or 3 or in some cases 4 different rooms with full knowledge of various casinos/hotels. And no the freebies are not always based on previous play. We've never stayed at Wynn's but because of a host we once had elsewhere we get offers that include" upfront comps" all the time to stay there.

I cant wait to see a hotel anywhere in the world where someone actually says "even though you've paid for this room because you aren't going to sleep in it you've done something wrong " Quite frankly I think there are some moral compasses on tilt.

Yup.

Florida law is very concise:

Florida Lodging Statutes

Of course there's always the "just because you can..." argument put forth by those suffering from severe cognitive dissonance.

 

[ArwenMarie]

What about Universal? I read about lots of people booking a room there to get the Express Passes for two days. And I also read about quite a few of them who don't physically spend the night in the room, because they are staying at DVC or other villas. Is that wrong too?

 

[nugov2]

I may be putting words in Plumsiren's mouth, but I think the point she was trying to make is people purchasing a one night stay to receive the perks of an on-site guest when they had no intention of being an on-site guest at all. Doing something just because you can doesn't mean it is right or even okay. The more I read these types of threads (and I know the other Plumsiren is referring to as well) the more I realize there are two very divided camps on this issue. And honestly, I guess I am shocked in a way. The Dis is not exactly the place it once was. I can easily compare the Free Parking just because you are wearing your MB, the throw away room just to receive on site benefits to pool hopping and bringing your old mugs back before the new mug system. Those things used to be shamed. It seems there used to be a bigger difference between right and wrong. We all have different definitions, I get that, but I will sit over here in the 'this just seems wrong to me' corner.

And again, the other examples you are giving you are violating a rule in writing by Disney and actually stealing product. WDW is OK with you booking and paying for, but not using a room. How do you know this isn't something they are testing? Is it wrong to book and sleep in a room for 2 days and then go to another location where you are meeting family and continue your stay at WDW with FP+/MB? I know people do split stays all the time. Is it wrong to book a night at Poly, but not sleep there so my kids can swim at the pool and the rooms don't meet our standards?

WDW is not stupid, they know you get FP+ for the length of you park tickets and if your hotel is less than the tickets you will still get it. This" loophole" is very easy to close if they wish and if it wasn't writing a policy on it would be easy. So is it wrong if this is WDW intentions. You do realize FP+ is FREE FOR ALL PARK GUESTS. Maybe this is Disney's way of giving access to FP+ /MB to all guests until the full roll out is done. I would guess the majority of people against it are hypocrites anyway as I am sure you have purchased or signed up for something you had no intention of keeping to get the perk that came with it. Netflix subscription for free for a month, you know you aren't "trying it out" b/c you know you will never keep it, you just want your month free. Maybe Disney hopes guest doing this will actually decide to stay in that room for convenience at the last minute and then decide next time they book a trip to actually stay on site. None of us have any idea and calling people thieves or comparing them to people pool hopping(rule in writing that you can't), stealing soda(rule in writing mug is one time stay use), or getting free parking(rule in writing free parking for length of stay) is ridiculous.

 

[MrsLS]

Just keep in mind that whatever rep you spoke with has no control over what happens once you are actually at the resort. None.

Also, I doubt it would happen for a one night stay, Disney has been known to cancel rooms and perks when it seems the room has been abandoned. They know if you are coming and going by your room key. If it shows no activity they can decide the room has been abandoned, pack up any stuff left behind, and re-sell the room. One poster found this out the hard way when they went to use their dining credits and they had been cancelled.

Disney reserves the right to cancel your reservation if they find you did anything wrong.

Regarding the no activity in your room, it might happen, but in our case last year I don't think it did. Into our 4th night of our 8 night DVC stay, we had an emergency at home and had to leave. We went to the front desk to tell them that we were leaving, so that they could clean the room/have it available for another guest. They told us (beyond saying sorry, etc) that it was ours for all 8 nights and on that day we were suppose to check out would be when it would be available for new guests. So for 4 more days the room sat unoccupied with no activity.

 

[Missyrose]

Except that there is absolutely nothing I am doing wrong here. Going 80 is illegal as is shoplifting.

I am booking a 1 night stay at a hotel which I am paying for in order to obtain the perks offered with that room for our arrival day and our departure day. We are going to sleep elsewhere. Im sorry but imho to think there is anything "wrong" with that is bizarre thinking. We're paying for that room the same way as someone who sleeps in it would be. I'm quite confident that no one at Disney cares where I sleep. What I also don't get is why thoise who seem to think there is something "wrong" with this don't just call for themselves and get it from the horse's mouth.

Phone CMs aren't the best sources of information, they often know nothing and make stuff up as they go along. But I agree with you that what you do with a room you pay for is your business. One way to satisfy Disney's "abandoned" scenario would be to go to the room upon check-in and opening the door with your MagicBand. Once you've done that, Disney can't call your room abandoned.

 

[nugov2]

Just keep in mind that whatever rep you spoke with has no control over what happens once you are actually at the resort. None.

Also, I doubt it would happen for a one night stay, Disney has been known to cancel rooms and perks when it seems the room has been abandoned. They know if you are coming and going by your room key. If it shows no activity they can decide the room has been abandoned, pack up any stuff left behind, and re-sell the room. One poster found this out the hard way when they went to use their dining credits and they had been cancelled.

Disney reserves the right to cancel your reservation if they find you did anything wrong.

I agree to with thinking just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. That whole mentality is pretty horrible. Just because I could go into a store and get away with shoplifting doesn't mean I should. Just because I could probably go 80 down a side street and not get stopped by the cops doesn't mean I should.

Thank you for the morning laugh this is the funniest thing I have read in a long time!!!

So if you check into your room at 8am, but luggage is delayed at the airport so you just head to the park until close...you better be careful. WDW may cancel you room due to inactivity while you are out for the day. I mean you haven't used the key for the entire day/night and you checked in the morning. You must open and close you door so many times during the day or they will think you aren't in there and cancel it

 

[cosmicdaisy]

And again, the other examples you are giving you are violating a rule in writing by Disney and actually stealing product. WDW is OK with you booking and paying for, but not using a room. How do you know this isn't something they are testing? Is it wrong to book and sleep in a room for 2 days and then go to another location where you are meeting family and continue your stay at WDW with FP+/MB? I know people do split stays all the time. Is it wrong to book a night at Poly, but not sleep there so my kids can swim at the pool and the rooms don't meet our standards?

WDW is not stupid, they know you get FP+ for the length of you park tickets and if your hotel is less than the tickets you will still get it. This loophole is very easy to close if they wish and if it wasn't writing a policy on it would be easy. So is it wrong if this is WDW intentions. You do realize FP+ is FREE FOR ALL PARK GUESTS. Maybe this is Disney's way of giving access to FP+ /MB to all guests until the full roll out is done. I would guess the majority of people against it are hypocrites anyway as I am sure you have purchased or signed up for something you had no intention of keeping to get the perk that came with it. Netflix subscription for free for a month, you know you aren't "trying it out" b/c you know you will never keep it, you just want your month free. Maybe Disney hopes guest doing this will actually decide to stay in that room for convenience at the last minute and then decide next time they book a trip to actually stay on site. None of us have any idea and calling people thieves or comparing them to people pool hopping(rule in writing that you can't), stealing soda(rule in writing mug is one time stay use), or getting free parking(rule in writing free parking for length of stay) is ridiculous.

I was comparing the attitude on the board... And I do hope the word "you" in your response was a general you and not directed specifically at myself.

People are not reserving rooms they never intend to stay in just for FP+.

 

[Canajan]

I can't see any problem with paying for a room and only using some of the entitlements.

If you pay for a room that includes EMH access, is it a problem not to attend that? If you pay for a package that includes Magic Express but you choose to drive your own car, is that a problem? If you pay for Disney tickets that cover 7 days, but you end up using only 5 days, should you be called to account?

If you pay for the dining plan, but then decline the included desserts, are you a bad Disney guest?

If you pay for Photopass Plus but then rarely use it, should your pass be cancelled?

If you pay for a room, you have the right to choose which aspects of the package you actually use. Hard to see any ethical breach here!

 

[Luckybee]

I was comparing the attitude on the board... And I do hope the word "you" in your response was a general you and not directed specifically at myself.

People are not reserving rooms they never intend to stay in just for FP+.

What am I missing ? That's exactly why we are going to do it. For the following reasons its worth a hundred or 2 for us :

1. Dh and I work very hard at home often getting called in the middle of the night and losing sleep...I don't want o be at a theme park for rope drop on holidays.

2. We're trading 2 weeks of our Marriott Aruba timeshares to stay at Sabal Palms and Lakeshore reserve. Other than our maintenance fees and exchg fees it's a pretty inexpensive holiday compared to our usual ones...the cost for a night is insignificant.

3. I hate long lines...I will not line up for hrs to do the few attractions we will want to do...we'd end up doing none otherwise.

Is there another reason we shld be considering for booking the room...what am I not getting ? What else would "people" be booking for ?

 

[cosmicdaisy]

What am I missing ? That's exactly why we are going to do it. For the following reasons its worth a hundred or 2 for us :

1. Dh and I work very hard at home often getting called in the middle of the night and losing sleep...I don't want o be at a theme park for rope drop on holidays.

2. We're trading 2 weeks of our Marriott Aruba timeshares to stay at Sabal Palms and Lakeshore reserve. Other than our maintenance fees and exchg fees it's a pretty inexpensive holiday compared to our usual ones...the cost for a night is insignificant.

3. I hate long lines...I will not line up for hrs to do the few attractions we will want to do...we'd end up doing none otherwise.

Is there another reason we shld be considering for booking the room...what am I not getting ? Why else would "people" be booking for ?

For the advanced reservation FP+, right? FP+ will soon be available to anyone staying on or off site, so I would imagine the reason to book a room on site would be to be able to reserve FP selections before your day of.

 

[Luckybee]

Regarding the no activity in your room, it might happen, but in our case last year I don't think it did. Into our 4th night of our 8 night DVC stay, we had an emergency at home and had to leave. We went to the front desk to tell them that we were leaving, so that they could clean the room/have it available for another guest. They told us (beyond saying sorry, etc) that it was ours for all 8 nights and on that day we were suppose to check out would be when it would be available for new guests. So for 4 more days the room sat unoccupied with no activity.

Funny this is exactly what happened to us in Aruba last month. We had 3 weeks of our timeshare booked but because of our schedules could only stay 17 days. We thought we'd let them know at the front desk that we were leaving early since we know that the property was sold out for that time frame in case they could use the room. We were told its ours till the end of our 3rd week and that they couldn't resell/rebook in case we changed our minds after we leave. When we landed back in Buffalo before crossing the border and saw the snow...I wanted to change our minds and go back

 

[Luckybee]

For the advanced reservation FP+, right? FP+ will soon be available to anyone staying on or off site, so I would imagine the reason to book a room on site would be to be able to reserve FP selections before your day of.

Yes...that's exactly it....sorry didn't understand what you were saying

But for us we are only going to do park attractions for the 2 days. Out of our 13 day stay we only intend to have a 4 day pass and 2 of those days will only be for the Food and Wine show events and pavilions. The rest of the trip will be R and R and perhaps Discovery Cove and or Busch Gardens......which btw I'd like opinions on...prob not the best place to ask but...we've been to Animal K. never BG...we have no interest in the roller coasters (well dh doesn't do rides so...). We've been told the animal viewing is better at BG....is that accurate?

 

[ArwenMarie]

For the advanced reservation FP+, right? FP+ will soon be available to anyone staying on or off site, so I would imagine the reason to book a room on site would be to be able to reserve FP selections before your day of.

Do you mean prebooking FP+ reservations 60 days ahead? I don't think that Disney has said they are going to be available for offsite soon.

 

[cosmicdaisy]

Do you mean prebooking FP+ reservations 60 days ahead? I don't think that Disney has said they are going to be available for offsite soon.

MK going FP+ only January 14.

 

[nugov2]

I was comparing the attitude on the board... And I do hope the word "you" in your response was a general you and not directed specifically at myself.

People are not reserving rooms they never intend to stay in just for FP+.

Yes, you were the you I was talking about. In your post I quoted you were comparing this to stealing and violating rules in writing. This is nothing like that.
So if someone pays and stays for 5 days but is in the park for 7 and uses the perks for all 7 is that wrong? Where do you draw the line.

Have you ever signed up for a subscription to get a promotion knowing you will cancel it? Have you ever signed up for a CC to get a perk knowing you will only use it that one time? Have you ever signed up for a free trial knowing you will never continue using it after the first free month? These are all within your rights and you are meeting the terms and conditions, just like those who book a room for one night. Do you know that companies do this with the hope that some of these people will actually become customers? Maybe this is what WDW is hoping? They hope that maybe half of the people booking will stay or use some of the other amenities the hotel offers and that for future trips may actually now want to stay on site. I find it odd that so many think WDW is so dumb that they wouldn't put in writing or close the "loophole" if this was not their intention. That they are not fully aware that people are booking for shorter stays than the park tickets are for. All things they can see just through the computer monitoring system, just like the room entry that they can monitor. As soon as they noticed it they would have changed it, if that was what they really wanted.

 

[connie1042]

I was going to rent a campsite once to take advantage of EMH at MK for the 4th of July a few years ago. Just about got nailed to the wall on these boards for that. Why is this okay? I could care less either way, but just thought it was funny that people would think this was okay, and mine was so bad.

 

[wordwitt]

It is amazing to me that people are so priggish and sanctimonious about this whole issue. It just "feels wrong," but no one can explain why it's wrong. That's because it's not. My favorite stretch was the "safety" aspect in case of a fire.

 

[Laketravis]

Yes, you were the you I was talking about. In your post I quoted you were comparing this to stealing and violating rules in writing. This is nothing like that.
So if someone pays and stays for 5 days but is in the park for 7 and uses the perks for all 7 is that wrong? Where do you draw the line.

Have you ever signed up for a subscription to get a promotion knowing you will cancel it? Have you ever signed up for a CC to get a perk knowing you will only use it that one time? Have you ever signed up for a free trial knowing you will never continue using it after the first free month? These are all within your rights and you are meeting the terms and conditions, just like those who book a room for one night. Do you know that companies do this with the hope that some of these people will actually become customers? Maybe this is what WDW is hoping? They hope that maybe half of the people booking will stay or use some of the other amenities the hotel offers and that for future trips may actually now want to stay on site. I find it odd that so many think WDW is so dumb that they wouldn't put in writing or close the "loophole" if this was not their intention. That they are not fully aware that people are booking for shorter stays than the park tickets are for. All things they can see just through the computer monitoring system, just like the room entry that they can monitor. As soon as they noticed it they would have changed it, if that was what they really wanted.

But...but....but..... just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD!