Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[snayak]

So are you saying that only rich people or people who save for 3 or 4 years should be able to stay in a 2 bedroom condo onsite and get the benefits? That people who stay at values don't deserve the benefits?

You say 'they get all the perks of staying onsite while only spending 150/night'- about the cost of a value- or maybe a moderate in low season with a code.....SO with that said- do people who SLEEP in the beds at values deserve the onsite benefits or only those spending 300 a night or 500 a night- not 150 a night?

What if they made a 5 night minimum even for values and I still agreed to PAY the extra 550 bucks or so to get the onsite benefits and didn't sleep in the room- is that ENOUGH $$$ to spend to make you feel that I deserve the benefits?

Disney says you are entitled to the benefits if you stay on-site. Only you can make the decision if the price Disney is asking for is within your means. Currently they don't offer an add-on to tickets for extra FP, EMH or ADRs - maybe they will someday.

Do NOT act like they don't offer what you are looking for - it just happens to be outside your price window. You want to live in luxury (and can afford it staying offsite) but have all the benefits of staying onsite (in luxury which you can't or don't want to pay).

Nothing says you can't pay $150 a night and stay at a value...you just don't want to do it! You want to pay $150/night for a 2 bed/2bath w/ hot tub, etc etc etc off-site, but still get 60 day FP+ & ADRs and Magic Bands. Are you better than the folks staying at the value resorts?

Folks staying at camp sites & values should get full benefits. Folks who are just booking cheap rooms to get perks while living in luxury offsite should not, and I will call them out on it all day long (for the little good it does).

So, feel free to book a camp ground for a week or a month or a year in order to get the benefits you so covet - I really could not care less what you end up doing, but don't think that makes it OK...other guests may have actually used the space you felt "rich" enough to throw away (hence calling them throwaway rooms).

 

[Luckybee]

I agree, no one in the Disney area can do it like Disney. It costs, but their nicer resorts are vacations in and of themselves. We've stayed at the Boardwalk Villas- they're so nice. No off site I know of is going to let me watch the TOT outside my window as I fall asleep.

I loved the all caps I want BOTH!!...For some reason I got a mental picture of Veruca from Willy Wonka.

I'm pretty sure they know there's an ethical issue. I think they just don't care that there is. And remember, there's quite a few who don't keep the reservation- they don't talk about it much here anymore because they get fried when they do. But right now, there's no reason not to cancel the room- other than ethics of course.





Of course there are circumstances where the price may be prohibitive or doesn't fit a particular need, but to say that Disney resorts are cramped shoeboxes is just ridiculous.

We don't travel with a huge group. I don't want to stay in a house. I want to feel like I'm on vacation. But for others, that's the way to go. That's great. I'm not debating the value of staying on site vs off. I'm saying that if you don't stay on site- and I mean stay on site, not book a fake reservation- then you aren't entitled to have the perks. Even if you find a loophole that lets you. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. 5 yr olds know that.

You are wrong. There is no ethical issue at all in booking a throwaway room. It isnt a loophole no matter how many times the morality police deem it to be. Call Disney and ask them....as I have said in the past. More than I have done just that and it is acceptable to them.

For us it isnt about the $ savings off property at all. I just dont happen to agree that D has true deluxe properties for our tastes. A couple of trips ago we stayed at AKL concierge level. Quite frankly we were let down by the experience. Our stays at the Ritz, the JW, the Hyatt and the Waldorf were all better for our tastes in all categories that are important to us which include service , elegance, amenities, space, luxury and tranquility(and since we are travelling sans children much better for our ears as well...the pool at AKL was a nightmare in terms of noise) . The fact that we can stay at properties we prefer for a better cost is a bonus. This upcoming trip is a anomaly only because we had traded our Marriott Aruba timeshares are we doing that.

 

[asmit4]

I also find it very interesting that DISers constantly talk about booking a room at Universal for 1 night to gain the all access pass they offer. The room cost is about 200 a night- or 250 I think depending on time of year. I think what bothers people is that we are booking 'values' for 'only' 100-125 a night.

I find this sort of thinking very 'classist'.....SURE it's totally OK to spend 250 a night on a room and not sleep in it- but if you book a value for only 100 a night and do the same you are taking a room away from some 'poor family'...or dear lord-a CAMPER- SUPER POOR people. If I booked a room at the GF- I'd be taking a room away from a presumably 'rich' person- so THAT would be NO problem. *cracks me UP!*

This kind of attitude is ridiculous as I know LOTS of people who go camping at Disney who own 500K homes and have incomes in the 250K range. Frankly- my husband and I do well for ourselves and have stayed at everything from DVC to values. The idea that the throwaway room folks are taking something away from 'poor' people is absurd...and who decided that poor people deserve the value room anymore than a supposed rich person deserves GF?

 

[asmit4]

Nothing

Folks staying at camp sites & values should get full benefits. Folks who are just booking cheap rooms to get perks while living in luxury offsite should not, and I will call them out on it all day long (for the little good it does).

So what you are saying here is that folks who sleep in the cheap rooms and deal with the crazy tight quarters DESERVE the onsite benefits. SO SUFFER in the values to get the benefits. This is just so so absurd.

SOOO CLASSIST.

 

[Luckybee]

Disney says you are entitled to the benefits if you stay on-site. Only you can make the decision if the price Disney is asking for is within your means. Currently they don't offer an add-on to tickets for extra FP, EMH or ADRs - maybe they will someday.

Do NOT act like they don't offer what you are looking for - it just happens to be outside your price window. You want to live in luxury (and can afford it staying offsite) but have all the benefits of staying onsite (in luxury which you can't or don't want to pay).

Nothing says you can't pay $150 a night and stay at a value...you just don't want to do it! You want to pay $150/night for a 2 bed/2bath w/ hot tub, etc etc etc off-site, but still get 60 day FP+ & ADRs and Magic Bands. Are you better than the folks staying at the value resorts?

Folks staying at camp sites & values should get full benefits. Folks who are just booking cheap rooms to get perks while living in luxury offsite should not, and I will call them out on it all day long (for the little good it does).

So, feel free to book a camp ground for a week or a month or a year in order to get the benefits you so covet - I really could not care less what you end up doing, but don't think that makes it OK...other guests may have actually used the space you felt "rich" enough to throw away (hence calling them throwaway rooms).

No they do not offer what we are looking for !( the exception being possibly the new 4 seasons but we havent had a chance to check that out yet....but no 60 day bookings there yet) We've made a point of checking, both while in Orlando and on their website. I want a haven of peace quiet and tranquility without screaming children, where the service is to die for, with elegant surroundings. Pray tell which hotel? I know it isnt the GF because although we have not stayed there we've been over to check it out more than once and we were very disappointed with what we saw.

And we can afford to live in luxury both on or off property if that is your litmus test. But I'd be a fool to pay on property prices for properties we like less than off property. And no Im sorry we dont do value properties anywhere.

 

[snayak]

You are wrong. There is no ethical issue at all in booking a throwaway room. It isnt a loophole no matter how many times the morality police deem it to be. Call Disney and ask them....as I have said in the past. More than I have done just that and it is acceptable to them.

Ethics varies person to person.

It absolutely is a loophole because people are booking one (1) night at a camp site and getting perks for their entire stay - lets call it a week on average. There would be no ethical quandary if they paid for 7 nights at a camp site - but paying for one night and getting 7 days of perks (again: Magic Bands, parking, and FP+ and ADRs) is not right. I'd wager the cost of MB & parking makes it a wash in most case, so they really make out like bandits.

I also find it very interesting that DISers constantly talk about booking a room at Universal for 1 night to gain the all access pass they offer. The room cost is about 200 a night- or 250 I think depending on time of year. I think what bothers people is that we are booking 'values' for 'only' 100-125 a night.

I find this sort of thinking very 'classist'.....SURE it's totally OK to spend 250 a night on a room and not sleep in it- but if you book a value for only 100 a night and do the same you are taking a room away from some 'poor family'...or dear lord-a CAMPER- SUPER POOR people. If I booked a room at the GF- I'd be taking a room away from a presumably 'rich' person- so THAT would be NO problem. *cracks me UP!*

This kind of attitude is ridiculous as I know LOTS of people who go camping at Disney who own 500K homes and have incomes in the 250K range. Frankly- my husband and I do well for ourselves and have stayed at everything from DVC to values. The idea that the throwaway room folks are taking something away from 'poor' people is absurd...and who decided that poor people deserve the value room anymore than a supposed rich person deserves GF?

I will be the first to say I booked 1 night at Universal for my trip. As it turns out, we will be staying there to save ourselves an ridiculously early wake up for early admission, and it works out to be about $20 cheaper per person for early admission and unlimited front of the line. (By the way, the room was $320 for 1 night in October)

However, Universal limits their perks to check in & check out day - Disney does not. Again, my argument is folks booking 1 night at a campsite, getting magic bands and early access to ADRs & FP+ knowing full well they are staying for 4-5-6-7 nights and don't want to pay the Disney prices for staying on-site at a moderate or deluxe when they can get those amenities off-site for value prices.

And finally, booking a throwaway room removes it for use by a guest who would actually USE it - whatever economic class they may be in. You just don't have many people booking a super deluxe luxury suite for 1 night as a throwaway room.

I'll end with this: if you're going to book a throwaway room, book it for the entire duration of your stay (not 1 or 2 nights) and I've got zero problems with that. Now you're entitled for on-site perks.

 

[cakebaker]

They wants the perks of staying on-site, but the cost of staying off-site.

Bottom line, that's it exactly.

 

[snayak]

No they do not offer what we are looking for !( the exception being possibly the new 4 seasons but we havent had a chance to check that out yet....but no 60 day bookings there yet) We've made a point of checking, both while in Orlando and on their website. I want a haven of peace quiet and tranquility without screaming children, where the service is to die for, with elegant surroundings. Pray tell which hotel? I know it isnt the GF because although we have not stayed there we've been over to check it out more than once and we were very disappointed with what we saw.

And we can afford to live in luxury both on or off property if that is your litmus test. But I'd be a fool to pay on property prices for properties we like less than off property. And no Im sorry we dont do value properties anywhere.

So stay off-site, more power to you! And enjoy the same entitlements off-site guest get.

Don't expect the perks of staying on-site.

 

[asmit4]

Ethics varies person to person.

It absolutely is a loophole because people are booking one (1) night at a camp site and getting perks for their entire stay - lets call it a week on average. There would be no ethical quandary if they paid for 7 nights at a camp site - but paying for one night and getting 7 days of perks (again: Magic Bands, parking, and FP+ and ADRs) is not right. I'd wager the cost of MB & parking makes it a wash in most case, so they really make out like bandits.



I will be the first to say I booked 1 night at Universal for my trip. As it turns out, we will be staying there to save ourselves an ridiculously early wake up for early admission, and it works out to be about $20 cheaper per person for early admission and unlimited front of the line. (By the way, the room was $320 for 1 night in October)

However, Universal limits their perks to check in & check out day - Disney does not. Again, my argument is folks booking 1 night at a campsite, getting magic bands and early access to ADRs & FP+ knowing full well they are staying for 4-5-6-7 nights and don't want to pay the Disney prices for staying on-site at a moderate or deluxe when they can get those amenities off-site for value prices.

And finally, booking a throwaway room removes it for use by a guest who would actually USE it - whatever economic class they may be in. You just don't have many people booking a super deluxe luxury suite for 1 night as a throwaway room.

I'll end with this: if you're going to book a throwaway room, book it for the entire duration of your stay (not 1 or 2 nights) and I've got zero problems with that. Now you're entitled for on-site perks.

Actually YES- DW does limit your benefits to check in and check out. Your MBs will work but you can't get the other benefits like parking or FPs on other days that are not part of your 'nights on site'. (not that I'm aware of)

As for booking my ENTIRE stay....I am planning on booking bounceback during my FAKE stay at Disney in October. I will be getting the free DDP at a value for our entire stay next year in early September. *CUE EVIL LAUGH*

 

[cakebaker]

Actually YES- DW does limit your benefits to check in and check out. Your MBs will work but you can't get the other benefits like parking or FPs on other days that are not part of your 'nights on site'. (not that I'm aware of)

Oh my, you are behind the times. I'm not about to tell you how, but you are so so wrong. They are scams yet to be discovered!

Not to worry, you're just a search away from the promised land.

People aren't paying for throwaway rooms just to get 2 days of fp's.

 

[snayak]

Actually YES- DW does limit your benefits to check in and check out. Your MBs will work but you can't get the other benefits like parking or FPs on other days that are not part of your 'nights on site'. (not that I'm aware of)

As for booking my ENTIRE stay....I am planning on booking bounceback during my FAKE stay at Disney in October. I will be getting the free DDP at a value for our entire stay next year in early September. *CUE EVIL LAUGH*

Actually you can book FP+ at 60 days, you just have to do it daily as opposed to booking it all at once.

I'm all for sticking it to the man, the pendulum has certainly swung away from customer service & guest value (at more than Disney, BTW). I even considered booking a throwaway room (doesn't make sense for 2 people) - I'm just saying, if you're going to do it, don't stick your head in the sand and think its OK...it's definitely an exploit. Booking for the duration of your stay makes it better than just one night though.

 

[DVCMomBLT]

Ethics varies person to person.

It absolutely is a loophole because people are booking one (1) night at a camp site and getting perks for their entire stay - lets call it a week on average. There would be no ethical quandary if they paid for 7 nights at a camp site - but paying for one night and getting 7 days of perks (again: Magic Bands, parking, and FP+ and ADRs) is not right. I'd wager the cost of MB & parking makes it a wash in most case, so they really make out like bandits.



I will be the first to say I booked 1 night at Universal for my trip. As it turns out, we will be staying there to save ourselves an ridiculously early wake up for early admission, and it works out to be about $20 cheaper per person for early admission and unlimited front of the line. (By the way, the room was $320 for 1 night in October)

However, Universal limits their perks to check in & check out day - Disney does not. Again, my argument is folks booking 1 night at a campsite, getting magic bands and early access to ADRs & FP+ knowing full well they are staying for 4-5-6-7 nights and don't want to pay the Disney prices for staying on-site at a moderate or deluxe when they can get those amenities off-site for value prices.

And finally, booking a throwaway room removes it for use by a guest who would actually USE it - whatever economic class they may be in. You just don't have many people booking a super deluxe luxury suite for 1 night as a throwaway room.

I'll end with this: if you're going to book a throwaway room, book it for the entire duration of your stay (not 1 or 2 nights) and I've got zero problems with that. Now you're entitled for on-site perks.

Do you have an ethical problem with this?

Book a 1 night campground stay and use it.
Go stay with your parents for the next 6 nights.

Is it OK if the person who stayed at the campground books ADR's for all 7 nights?

 

[letsgoagainsoon]

I have been reading this thread since last year. People book throwaway rooms at other hotels, too - not just Disney resorts, for different reasons. I have booked in the past beach hotels for 8 nights instead of 7 nights just to shower and eat dinner before we left home. We did not sleep in the room for that last night. On another trip when we rented a house in Orlado for a week, we also drove in the middle of our stay to Clearwater Beach and stayed in the hotel on the beach for 1 night. We did not sleep in our rental house that night - was that unethical as we were not using the accomodations we paid for? Last year I booked a throwaway room at AOA for our MK day. We parked our car, checked-in and took a bus to MK. After the parade we came to the resort, had coffee in the room, showered, kids took a nap, DD had her breathing treatment - then we took a bus back to MK, watch fireworks, picked up our car from AOA parking lot and went back to the rental house. So how much use of the room that it is paid for makes it "ethical" or "legal"? It is paid for - it can be used for sleeping or maybe just for resting or not at all if the person who paid for that room decided not to use it. If the room is paid for and I want to cancel it after the cancellation deadline, Disney is not going to give me the deposit back... Just my thoughts...

I wouldn't consider what you are doing as using the room as a throwaway. You actually used it. I don't care what people do with rooms they pay for. It just never would have occurred to me to do this until I read it on here. Lol

 

[asmit4]

Oh my, you are behind the times. I'm not about to tell you how, but you are so so wrong. They are scams yet to be discovered!

Not to worry, you're just a search away from the promised land.

People aren't paying for throwaway rooms just to get 2 days of fp's.

Good to know! We don't need it as we are staying at DVC for 4 nights and WBC for 4 nights. During the WBC days we are only going to disney for 2 days so we don't need the extra days of FP. I am betting this loophole will be taken away soon but that's ok by me- as I'm 100% ok with paying for all the nights I need to get access to the benefits I want.

Sooo....it seems like some are ok with this-that we are paying for what we are using. Interesting. Just trying to understand people and their ethical issues/non-issues.

 

[doconeill]

Ethics varies person to person.

It absolutely is a loophole because people are booking one (1) night at a camp site and getting perks for their entire stay - lets call it a week on average. There would be no ethical quandary if they paid for 7 nights at a camp site - but paying for one night and getting 7 days of perks (again: Magic Bands, parking, and FP+ and ADRs) is not right. I'd wager the cost of MB & parking makes it a wash in most case, so they really make out like bandits.

They are NOT getting a week's worth of benefits for one night. Not sure where you are getting that from.

They get a magicband, and two days of parking and EMH access. They can book an extra day if ADRs at the 180 day window and an extra worth of FP+ at the 60 day window. The major difference is that they can continue to book FP+ 60 days out from any given day after the reservation until their check-in date.

 

[doconeill]

Clearly you need to do your research....Wyndham Bonnet Creek is UNDER the disney signs. It's 100% surrounded by disney owned property. Once we go under the disney signs- we NEVER leave. Check out the maps of where WBC is. It is right next to Caribbean Beach.

Disney has tried time and time again to BUY WBC...but they refuse to sell.

Can you provide any link that shows Disney tried to buy Windham Bonnet Creek Resort? As far as I know it isn't true. Back when Walt was buying the land through the shell corps, there was a landowner that held out. Disney continued to try and buy the land but he wanted to much. Disney gave up. It was later turned in to the Bonnet Creek Resort area, of which the Windham is a part. But although it is "under the arch", it is not Disney property and had absolutely no on site benefits.

 

[nugov2]

Disney says you are entitled to the benefits if you stay on-site. Only you can make the decision if the price Disney is asking for is within your means. Currently they don't offer an add-on to tickets for extra FP, EMH or ADRs - maybe they will someday.

Do NOT act like they don't offer what you are looking for - it just happens to be outside your price window. You want to live in luxury (and can afford it staying offsite) but have all the benefits of staying onsite (in luxury which you can't or don't want to pay).

Nothing says you can't pay $150 a night and stay at a value...you just don't want to do it! You want to pay $150/night for a 2 bed/2bath w/ hot tub, etc etc etc off-site, but still get 60 day FP+ & ADRs and Magic Bands. Are you better than the folks staying at the value resorts?

Folks staying at camp sites & values should get full benefits. Folks who are just booking cheap rooms to get perks while living in luxury offsite should not, and I will call them out on it all day long (for the little good it does).

So, feel free to book a camp ground for a week or a month or a year in order to get the benefits you so covet - I really could not care less what you end up doing, but don't think that makes it OK...other guests may have actually used the space you felt "rich" enough to throw away (hence calling them throwaway rooms).

They don't offer what I am looking for. No place onsite do they offer 4 bedrooms(minimum for each person to have their own bedroom though we always get 6 to have the extra suites) with a private pool and hot tub.

I will feel free to book onsite and if it in the future requires me to pay for the entire length of my stay because of a new requirement so be it. I will gladly pay if I feel the benefit is worth the cost. At this point I would book a room at the GF for one night if I needed to get the benefit(like another poster suggested). I don't really care if someone else would use the space because I am using it too...just differently than they might. I don't think they are shoeboxes, but I don't think they offer anything that meets our standard and we have stayed at some pricey hotels over the years of traveling. If I am going to pay $700 a night for a room it better have some great perks and none are offered at WDW IMO. It is a glorified Marriott(not that there is anything wrong with that), but not worth that price tag. I won't pay a inflated cost for what I am getting just because it is WDW. I want to enjoy the accommodations and I won't staying onsite.

I also find it laughable that people think that staying offsite are exposed to "trashy stuff". Seriously most off site places are just as close if not closer. Especially comparing the values/mods. Thanks for the laughs....one of the funniest arguments I've read against offsite

 

[nugov2]

Ethics varies person to person.

It absolutely is a loophole because people are booking one (1) night at a camp site and getting perks for their entire stay - lets call it a week on average. There would be no ethical quandary if they paid for 7 nights at a camp site - but paying for one night and getting 7 days of perks (again: Magic Bands, parking, and FP+ and ADRs) is not right. I'd wager the cost of MB & parking makes it a wash in most case, so they really make out like bandits.



I will be the first to say I booked 1 night at Universal for my trip. As it turns out, we will be staying there to save ourselves an ridiculously early wake up for early admission, and it works out to be about $20 cheaper per person for early admission and unlimited front of the line. (By the way, the room was $320 for 1 night in October)

However, Universal limits their perks to check in & check out day - Disney does not. Again, my argument is folks booking 1 night at a campsite, getting magic bands and early access to ADRs & FP+ knowing full well they are staying for 4-5-6-7 nights and don't want to pay the Disney prices for staying on-site at a moderate or deluxe when they can get those amenities off-site for value prices.

And finally, booking a throwaway room removes it for use by a guest who would actually USE it - whatever economic class they may be in. You just don't have many people booking a super deluxe luxury suite for 1 night as a throwaway room.

I'll end with this: if you're going to book a throwaway room, book it for the entire duration of your stay (not 1 or 2 nights) and I've got zero problems with that. Now you're entitled for on-site perks.

So does WDW on the perks that they feel are directly tied to the room reservation. You don't get parking or EMH for the length of ticket. It is just WDW views FP+ as a perk to all guests with tickets and early booking a perk with a one night stay. They view the other perks as length of resort stay perks. If they wanted to make FP just like EMH and parking they could and would. They just don't agree with what you think at this point.

 

[asmit4]

Can you provide any link that shows Disney tried to buy Windham Bonnet Creek Resort? As far as I know it isn't true. Back when Walt was buying the land through the shell corps, there was a landowner that held out. Disney continued to try and buy the land but he wanted to much. Disney gave up. It was later turned in to the Bonnet Creek Resort area, of which the Windham is a part. But although it is "under the arch", it is not Disney property and had absolutely no on site benefits.

What I meant is exactly what you stated---that Disney had tried and tried to buy the land for years. The owner wouldn't sell. They finally gave up. It is not owned disney property but it sure as heck feels like it to most people since it is under the arches---and just as clean as disney property.

 

[cakebaker]

Good to know! We don't need it as we are staying at DVC for 4 nights and WBC for 4 nights. During the WBC days we are only going to disney for 2 days so we don't need the extra days of FP. I am betting this loophole will be taken away soon but that's ok by me- as I'm 100% ok with paying for all the nights I need to get access to the benefits I want.

Sooo....it seems like some are ok with this-that we are paying for what we are using. Interesting. Just trying to understand people and their ethical issues/non-issues.

Then you and I agree- if they do away with the ability to book fp beyond your reservation dates, I have no problems with it either. I shouldn't be able to go in and book with my AP when I have no reservations for 60 days out either. FP+ needs to be tied to reservations- at least for 60 day access and only for the dates of reservations.

Honestly, I wouldn't stay at Disney just for the fp+ perk. I think that whole bit about having to fight to get them is so overblown, but a lot of people have bought into that hype.

We stay at Disney for the total immersion we experience. I don't care how close a property is- DTD hotels are "close"- It's not Disney. No EMH, no Disney transportation, no Disney theme, no feel of Disney at all. Off site hotels do not feel like Disney. We tried the Swan/Dolphin and don't like it just for that reason.