This marriage is doomed

I understand you not wanting to do the budget thing. You have to account for every little expenditure, it probably feels like you're under surveillance being watched every time you spend money. But just think how happy and free of debt you could be if you just say no to yourself maybe once a week. Some little thing that you really didn't need. Before you know it you will be in a different frame of mind when it comes to money. I'm not preaching I'm just saying this is how I reined in my money over spending. Start small and before you know it that 19,000 debt will be much smaller or gone, your husband will be happier and so will you marriage. :thumbsup2
 
I'm guessing you guys are a young couple in your 20's. Having $19,000 of credit card debt is not unheard of for young folks like you. I think your plan to save is good, even if it takes away from funds you could have used to pay down the credit card.

Still, it will be beneficial for you to pay off the card in full at the time you decide to buy a house as your credit rating will dictate the home loan rate you are able to get. If you will be first time buyers, there may be a program that helps with your down payment and such. Your local real estate agents should know where to steer you in the right direction.

Anyway, a long term goal could be to pay off the credit card, and try to save 20% down payment on your new house. If you put down less than 20% you have to pay a monthly fee called PMI (personal mortgage insurance). It can add a substantial amount to your monthly payments.

If you do the above, it may take a while until you are ready to buy, but good things come to those who wait. And you'll have pride in your savings.
 
some people are totally clueless. i had a conversation with two coworkers a few weeks ago. we got a small bonus type payment for long service, i stated i checked my statements and according to the taxes they took out it would be around X money. she panicked saying she needed that for her bills but it wasn't enough, her CC bill had gotten to X amount. coworker number two says oh that's nothing, i just maxed my card out to Y amount with my move and new apt, trip home, etc. coworker number one said no, X amount is my minimum monthly payment. :scared1:

some people really have no concept of need or money. the marriage certainly has the odds stacked against it since money is one of the top reasons for divorce and her hubby is already on top of things.
 
I wish these credit card companies wouldn't allow people the kind of credit lines that get them into trouble.

Anyone who doesn't know how to manage money should only have a $500-1000 limit, and they get cut off. The credit card companies are enablers, (obviously! since they are the ones who profit off impulse buying and consumerism), and consumers can be stupid morons. We all end up paying more in the end when irresponsible people default on their loans.

Our whole economy in the US is based on people buying stuff they can't afford. Don't get me started.

Most everyone I know has really bad habits.

I know people who eat out every meal AND they don't eat leftovers "because it doesn't taste as good later". They have a mortgage and cc debt, and still pay PMI every month... Guess it just doesn't bother them. Or they don't understand cause and effect.
 

A lot of people consider debt justified if it's for something they want - like nicer things or vacations..

This, combined with banks that extended credit to people they knew didn't qualify for it, are what was a major reason for the financial plunge of a few years ago. Former next door neighbors were that way, and they were married 20 years. Huge consumer debt (big truck, jeep, 5th wheel, credit cards, 3 big screen TVs) and a mortgage. He lost his job, they decided to walk away from the house and rent. Backfired though, his credit was so bad the mortgage was in wifes name only. Bank pointed out she had more than enough income to pay the mortgage, if she stopped making payments on her husbands credit card debt. So they were forced to do a short sale instead.
I've been married over 31 years, and we've never had a budget. Other than the house, if we couldn't pay cash, we didn't buy it.
 
We do like tv guy does. We don't have a budget, but we pay cash for everything. We went down the credit card road years ago and once we paid them off we said never again. It's not that hard o save and plan for things.
 
Disnee Dad Says.............................................. Credit card debt is what will kill your budget, if you even have one.

On the other hand if you have assets of 50k or 100k, they just need to be reallocated. But I don't think so.

If you even go, it's budget all the way. I say get a 3 year plan to get to $0 cc debt, then reward yourself for a job well done!

You get ahead in the money game and your money will work for you. Get behind and it will work against you.

PS. Got my first flat screen tv last year, paid cash. The newer car we got 3 years ago, oh ya, paid cash. WDW trip number 7 is coming up in August! Um, paid cash for all of them.
 
Lets see - she has $19K in credit card debt. A quick Google search shows that the average consumer credit card rate is 17.06%, which would make her annual interest on that balance $3,241.40 per year.

And she is saving only $50/wk ( $2,600/yr. ) to purchase a home. So she is saving less annually for the house than she is paying in C/C interest. Something is definitely skewed here.

One other comment - most of the c/c debt was "needed" to outfit the apartment. If and when they are ever able to afford the house how much will be "needed" to outfit the home ?

:thumbsup2 Good post. I was reading through and horrified at $19K in debt. I'm pretty sure if I were in that position my meals would be cereal and PB&J until that debt was gone.
 
While DF and I aren't technically married, we're pretty much the reverse of this couple. He's a spender, I'm the budgeter. (I'd say "saver" but there isn't a lot of money to actually save :thumbsup2 ) He never had to have a budget growing up, he was in a well to do family ... so every.single.day we have to have a talk about where our money is going, and how it got there. It's tedious, and slightly annoying, so I feel for the husband in this. It's hard to convert someone who's never had to worry.

And if it weren't for my constant nagging, I know we'd have a credit card with $19,000 on it. :scared: There are days when I don't want DF to even get to carry his debit card, because he'll spend something, and that's not fair to either of us. I wouldn't say the marriage is doomed, but I will say it'll require a lot of work on both of them for the financials to work themselves out.

Have you showed him any budgeting type books? Dave Ramsey, etc? I only ask because I grew up in a very wealthy family and my DH grew up in a basic middle class household, but I was the one to teach him about budgeting. His parents never really did, which is why they remained middle class. My parents taught me about money and finances from a very young age...part of the reason they are so wealthy is because of how well they handle money. As they say...you don't get richer by spending! Just illustrating that not all well-off people are clueless. It might take him a while to learn, but it's all about priorities.
 
When DH and I got married everything we owned for furniture was a hand-me-down from one set of our parents or the other. We still have a few of those pieces including our bedroom set (which I hate, but I haven't found a set I like yet). We took our time buying pieces as we could afford them. We've been married 25 years in November. We had no debt and no very little money when we got married.

I would never have thought we could do it, but two years after we were married we were buying our first home. It was a true starter home of just under 1000 square feet.

We are now in our third home in a neighborhood of homes that are all over 3000 square feet with 4-5 bedrooms and 1/2 acre and roughly $400,000-500,000 price tags. We were the first to move into the neighborhood. We were flabbergasted when many many of the houses were bought by young couples as their first house. It shocked us.
 
One slightly larger aspect of this is the (obvious) fact that this couple never substantively discussed financial matters before they married.

I can't fathom someone trying to minimize $19K in credit card debt, which is how I read it. Not only is it being rationalized as normal and minimal, she's incensed at the notion she might have to be accountable for the money she spends. Really?

Unfortunately, this is just a symptom of the slow, quiet growth of the entitlement culture - no accountability, no maturity, no responsibility - "That credit card is mine, I'm entitled to buy whatever I want, and if its gets tough, someone else should pay for it!"

It is, to say the least, sobering to folks like my wife and me, who are by no means wealthy, but have done a serviceable job paying down our mortgage, driven our cars (some used, some not) until they all-but drop, and keep a decent nest egg in the bank for emergencies or whatever, but then to see that so many folks have the attitude of the woman in the article -- holding a mountain of debt likely never to be repaid, yet simultaneously incensed and victimized when the financial chickens come home to roost.

I feel sorry for the husband, except to the extent he didn't find this out before he married her. Potentially very tough sledding ahead, unfortunately.
 
yeah, that is craziness. I definitely read it as 19k in credit card debt PLUS another amount for a car loan. And they only save $50/wk? Wow. That should be thrown at that credit card like their life depending on it. and 19k for furnishing an apartment? Where the heck are they shopping (yes, including the husband in here because like or not, he went along with this at least)? I have a decent sized home and I haven't spent remotely that on our furnishings. And we still have "blank" areas until we can afford to buy stuff.
 
One slightly larger aspect of this is the (obvious) fact that this couple never substantively discussed financial matters before they married.

I can't fathom someone trying to minimize $19K in credit card debt, which is how I read it. Not only is it being rationalized as normal and minimal, she's incensed at the notion she might have to be accountable for the money she spends. Really?




I feel sorry for the husband, except to the extent he didn't find this out before he married her. Potentially very tough sledding ahead, unfortunately.



See I totally disagree. Boy you guys really scare me. :scared:

Now first, yep the 19K is a huge bill but it can be paid off and has been done before and yep, they both have to change.

So here's my take.

First of all, my dh and I were total opposites in many areas of our lives including finances yet we some how muddle through :rotfl: for 27 years before he died. We complimented each other and made each others weak areas stronger. For example my dh was a strong saver but could not shop worth a darn. His idea of bargain hunting would be to go into bloomingdales find a store associate, bring her to a manaquin and say "I want that outfit". I sent him to Macys one year to get a outfit for our then 3 year old, boy friend came back with a complete Ralph lauren outfit he seen in a magazine ad. FOR A TODDLER. I on the other hand can squeeze a dollar until George Washington screams "alright already". But I'm a poor saver. My dh God love 'em, would see some thing he want and would eat peanuts and water, 3X's a day to save for it.


Now I don't criticize folks because I'm no saint either. My dh and I did not rack up cc debt simply because when we grew up, no one really had easy access to credit. In the 60's maybe your mom had a sears card and of course ATM's were non existent. You had to keep track of your money because banks were closed on sat and sunday so you got paid on Friday and made sure you had enough to make it through to Monday. I don't think I got my first ATM card until well into college. I remember selling my old Rolling stones albums to get me through until my parents sent me some dough by snail mail.

Our first 5 years of marriage, we had a little saved but basically we spent what we made. we were young, had no children and we weren't thinking about what would happen when your 70 like you guys seem to do every second of the day. We were in our early 20's living in Manhattan. We thought about where we wanted to eat or go partying. Dh had a few student loans but nothing crazy. my parents paid for my college. We had our rent and daily living expenses but basically we acted like 20 some things which we were. as we got older our priorities changed and we changed with them. this young lady may very well get a wake up call and do well at it.

Today is a consumer economy, if we don't spend our entire system collapses so be careful what you ask for.

"talk about finances" LOL. sorry I can't remember any big "money" talk before I got married. we were into trying to get into each others pants **snickers***. Now we also did not save when we were young, we had jobs with pensions (I still do) so no one had this big fear of being poor in their old age. Your main thing was to get a good job with benefits.

I don't think this girl is any worse than many girls (yes I know every one here is uber smart and their kids never make any mistake, I'm talking bout in real life, which bears no resemblance to the dis emerald city world).

My main point is that financial lessons are taught. people get the habits they see and are taught from various sources. She can be taught new ones just like I learned about compounding interest, IRAs and budgeting.

Oh and on the spending side. I remodeling my kitchen and sunroom. The Viking stove alone is going to run almost 5K so 15K to remodel is not a ridiculous amount and I'm not getting new cabinets. just new appliances and counter tops.
 
Young and naive, $50 a week would be $1100 a year, still may be awhile before they get a house. $19000 with a car loan may be they only spent a few thousand to get the apt the way they wanted it. Kids today want instant gratication and a lot don't want to work for it. DD's boyfriend told my mom he would be making 200,000 a year when he graduates (of course he is only 16 and clueless) we're all saying sign me up!

Ha ha. I used to work for a very large company. I had a just hired college guy tell me he was going to be the CEO of the company within five years. We had to let him go within a year.
 
Ha ha. I used to work for a very large company. I had a just hired college guy tell me he was going to be the CEO of the company within five years. We had to let him go within a year.

I worked with that guy too. My husband doesn't hire that guy about three times a week.
 
We have been married almost 13 years. For the first 11 1/2 I was completely against budgeting but DH wanted a budget. Now I have come around but not quite where DH would like. I'm working on it. I have done well in some areas and bombed others. I will continue to try. DH and I never felt doomed.
 
Well crap, DH & I are in our early 30s, have been married for almost 11 years and 99% of the furniture on our house is STILL hand-me-downs. The only items that are new are our bedroom set (wedding present from my parents) and ONE of our nursery sets (again, present from my parents). Couch is the set my parents got when I was 12, kitchen table my great-grandfather made, DD1's bedroom set my great-grandfather made for my mom as a kid, other nursery set is a hand-me-down from a cousin...

... moral of my story is I WISH we could afford to furnish a house the way I want to and like a "grown-up place". Nothing in here is my style. Not even my bedroom set... got it when I was 20 and my tastes have changed in the past 11 years. But it is what it is. It keeps me from eating, sleeping & watching TV on the floor.
 
Several years ago, I worked with a young woman who constantly wailed about her $29,000 in credit card debt and how she couldn't keep up with the minimum charges. Then one day she walks into work bragging about a purse that she had just bought for $350; apparently she "couldn't pass it up" as it was a $1000 purse. At that point, I just wanted to grab the purse out of her hands and beat some sense into her head with it. I get the urge to do that quite often these days.....
 
Several years ago, I worked with a young woman who constantly wailed about her $29,000 in credit card debt and how she couldn't keep up with the minimum charges. Then one day she walks into work bragging about a purse that she had just bought for $350; apparently she "couldn't pass it up" as it was a $1000 purse.

I have no sympathy for people like this. She probably just charged it, I doubt she paid in cash for it. It's like Monopoly money to some people. As long as they can make their monthly minimum, they think it's cool.

I hardly ever buy anything at retail price. I saw a nice purse once it was light lavender, I saw a woman with it at a restaurant, and later tried to find out what the bag was. I just looked on eBay for lavender and silver purse or something similar and found it. Ended up being a Coach bag that was about $200, cough.

I've never owned a purse that cost more than $25. Most of mine are clearance priced or gifts from in-laws.

But, that's probably why I'm debt free. :idea:

:lmao:
 












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