This makes me very sad

[Sammie]

Actually if you do any research on Walt, he was a horrible business man. He was a creative genius but had it not been for his brother Roy, there never would have been enough money to even purchase WDW.

As to what either would have done for the future, I am sure they were both men of great vision and I seriously doubt they built this world of theirs and then said, "you know let's make no plans for the future so when we die, they can screw it all up."

You do not compliment the men you so revere if that is how you feel.

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

Not sure if you're referring to me or not, but at this point, I'm basically just replying to your beyond insulting, rude comments.

"Beyond insulting"? Perhaps you should read a few of your own posts, man. All I have done is point out facts, and in each and every reply of yours you ranted about "What Walt wanted!" and never really brought any facts of your own to the table, just your ranty opinions about a subject you admittedly knew nothing about. I'm sorry if you find it insulting for me to point it out, but it's the truth. My words toward to were reflective of the attitude about the subject. Your passive-agressive stuff is pretty transparent.

I'm sorry you find it so offensive that I pointed out that it is impossible for you to speak for a dead person, even though you have attempted to do so many times in this thread. I'm sorry if I have to use such blunt terms, but while I try not to offend people as a general rule, sometimes you have to be blunt for people who don't seem to be following and make outrageous claims of somehow being special and able to channel the dead.

As you have so rudely stated, Disney is a business. No denying that. And whereas I have no idea what Walt Disney would think of anything that has happened since his death, I seriously doubt you have inside knowledge about what the execs at Disney are planning for the future.

Again, I'm sorry if you don't like that fact and feel it is rude to point it out. Look at the rhetoric you have used in this thread...you've presumed an awful lot and I've just tried to deliver the facts.

I never said I had "inside knowledge"; you started by expressing horror and disbelief that sales had happened at all, and began ranting in a "SKY IS FALLING!!" mentality. What knowledge I have is the same as anyone else who pays attention to the activities of the Mouse - this topic has been hashed and rehashed many times by just about every Disney site out there, and at this points the facts pretty much speak for themselves. The panic has been and gone, and I just hate to see people getting on the panic band-wagon again when the truth about the situation is now known.

Let me bottom line this: No, it seems as though what Disney has done to this point will not affect any part of what we know as Disney World. However, this is a Disney discussion board and all of us have a right to our opinions based on everything Disney.

Again, as I said before, "'I'd rather people think I was wrong for standing up for my beliefs, than be a ******* by stepping on others."

Maybe I should be a meaner person. I don't know. I always try to make my points without being rude.

Perhaps not rude, but passive-agressive, yes.

I'm glad you posted again, though, because finally you've admitted the two facts that most of your posts ignored up until now : 1) the magic has not been ruined over this, and 2) you don't know a fig about what Walt Disney would have wanted.

You are correct; you are entitled to your own opinion. However, you were basing your "arguments" on conjecture and not on the facts of the situation, and I simply was trying to point them out. You are perfectly entitled to think whatever you wish, but when you post emotionally-charged statements to a message board, you should expect your statements to be scruitinized and questioned when you make brash judgements without the facts.

As to your now twice repeated quote, I'd rather be right and have a few people feel I wasn't as "zip a dee doo dah" as I could have been than being wrong and making emotional judgements before I knew what I was talking about. But, again, you keep saying how "nice" you are, but the thinly veiled contempt is pretty obvious. Again, that may not be "nice" of me to point out, but I think it's better to be on the side of "truth" than "nice" when it comes down to it. If you were really so as virtuous as you state, you wouldn't have to tell us.

If they actually sell off a chunk of land in the middle of the property somewhere, I won't be here complaining about it, I'll be in the protest march on Main Street. I think it's pretty clear that this isn't the case right now, and I don't think it's something Disney would allow to happen, as it would only cut into their profits anyway.

I have more faith in the people that are paid the big bucks to keep WDW up and running. If pointing that out makes me "not nice", then make me a sticker and I'll proudly put it on my forehead for all to see.

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[boomhauer]

I have more faith in the people that are paid the big bucks to keep WDW up and running. If pointing that out makes me "not nice", then make me a sticker and I'll proudly put it on my forehead for all to see.NED

The sad thing is, after reading some of the more detailed facts, I admit I jumped the gun based on what one website said.

What's sadder is that you found that to point that out, you couldn't be nicer about it. You didn't simply "point it out". Any "contempt" you think I showed was simply in retort to one of your comments. If you honestly don't think you were rude during this thread, then there's no need to continue to talk about this. Differing opinions about Disney World is worth debating. Differing opinions on what common decency and polite behavior is, is not.

And for the record, I never claimed to be virtuous. You won't see me be the antagonist on ANY thread to begin with. But yes, when someone starts insulting me to get there point across, I'll be just as much of a Scrooge as anybody.

 

[boomhauer]

Actually if you do any research on Walt, he was a horrible business man. He was a creative genius but had it not been for his brother Roy, there never would have been enough money to even purchase WDW.

I've heard that before. In many ways. Walt was alot like Howard Hughes on a business stance. He was INTENSELY passionate about what he believed in and would lose millions if it meant accomplishing what he believed in.

It is my belief (and I repeat the word belief, NED) that Walt bought the land he bought in Florida not to stuff everything he possibly could into the territory, but to create a large buffer zone from the outside world. I could be dead wrong, but from everything I have read, heard and seen over the years, it seems as though that's what his reasoning was.

 

[salmoneous]

It is my belief (and I repeat the word belief, NED) that Walt bought the land he bought in Florida not to stuff everything he possibly could into the territory, but to create a large buffer zone from the outside world. I could be dead wrong, but from everything I have read, heard and seen over the years, it seems as though that's what his reasoning was.

But have you considered that these aren't the only two options? It's not that Walt either wanted a buffer, or Walt wanted to stuff everything he possibly could. He was buying land to use as a buffer, AND to build stuff on.

Also, remember that Walt didn't just draw a big circle on the maps and buy up the land in the circle. He sent agents down to buy whatever they could. Some of the land was bought in small chunks, other in big giant chunks. Some of the larger chunks included land that certainly wasn't intended as a buffer zone.

 

[Mono~rail]

Not that long ago, I was at a place near my home having my hair cut. There was a guy there getting a hair cut as well. He told the hairdresser that he worked for Disney. They talked about a bunch of things, but I found one thing to be very interesting. WDW sold some land in back of MK along Reams Road. I remember seeing the for sale signs and then hearing the land had been purchased to develop homes. The CM told the woman at the hair salon that Disney was now concerned about the sale. They are afraid that the homes are so close to MK that they will have constant complaints from homeowners about the fireworks. I can hear and see the fireworks every night from my house, but I am about 2 miles away. You could get use to the noise, but the ash from the fireworks could get annoying. Universal has been fighting a similar battle.

I'm not an idiot - I've read the posts, articles, and seen the pics. Yes, it seems that Wikipedia's interpretation of what's happened over the years is a bit exaggerrated. No surprise coming from them. Personally, I don't think you've read one of my posts since the first page. The only point I'm trying yo make is, there's alot of undeveloped land that's left. It concerns me that Disney may look down the line into selling more of that off. I don't think they'll sell half of the parking lot to the Magic Kingdom, but as others have said, they did sell some land for housing so near to the Magic Kingdom that people living there have complained about the noise form the fireworks.

No, Feralpeg did NOT say there have been complaints. She said Disney is concerned there will be complaints. The complaints are purely speculation at this point.

 

[boomhauer]

No, Feralpeg did NOT say there have been complaints. She said Disney is concerned there will be complaints. The complaints are purely speculation at this point.

Oops - Sorry. My bad.

 

[boomhauer]

But have you considered that these aren't the only two options? It's not that Walt either wanted a buffer, or Walt wanted to stuff everything he possibly could. He was buying land to use as a buffer, AND to build stuff on.

I'm sure there are other possible reasons. Maybe he wanted to grow corn or raise cattle. I don't know. I'm simply going by what he's said and what his colleagues have said.

 

[CarolA]

But have you considered that these aren't the only two options? It's not that Walt either wanted a buffer, or Walt wanted to stuff everything he possibly could. He was buying land to use as a buffer, AND to build stuff on.

Also, remember that Walt didn't just draw a big circle on the maps and buy up the land in the circle. He sent agents down to buy whatever they could. Some of the land was bought in small chunks, other in big giant chunks. Some of the larger chunks included land that certainly wasn't intended as a buffer zone.

And there there is the fact that "Saint Walt" (Scarasm intended this time) effectively hid WHO was buying the land to make sure he got it at a deflated price....

(Once again questions the whole theory of Walt as this wonderful benevolent person who only wanted to make people happy. Most of the land owners who sold to Walt sold at a rate that DISNEY KNEW was deflated, but they didn't point that out did they?? So perhaps Disney bought EXTRA land as an investment as long as they were doing the cheap land grab? If so, selling it at todays "peak" market makes a LOT of sense! The piece of land Bonnett Creek sits on was NOT sold to Disney at the time the Orlando media broke the Disney story. The owner then wanted the "new" going rate and Disney refused to pay.... Interesting.. if it was SO important to Walt to have ALL this land then why weren't they willing to pay?)

 

[btuftee]

The piece of land Bonnett Creek sits on was NOT sold to Disney at the time the Orlando media broke the Disney story. The owner then wanted the "new" going rate and Disney refused to pay.... Interesting.. if it was SO important to Walt to have ALL this land then why weren't they willing to pay?)

Well, Walt wanted as much land as it was feasible to buy. He probably would have taken the whole state, if the price was acceptable! Once the land prices shot up, Disney could have paid $1 million for some particular chunk on the outskirts, or put $1 million into building the MK. They had to make sure there was money left over to actually build WDW too. Also keep in mind that the Disney corporation was not developing WDW with its own money... I'm sure the banks that loaned Disney a billion dollars were keeping a close eye on what was going on.

 

[Mo-Yo]

OK, Newenglanddisney, I have to ask.

Judging from your extremely defensive reply on behalf of Disney executives, I suspect you are:

a.) a realtor
b.) a developer
c.) a ceo
d.) related to a., b., or c.,
e.) none of the above

Am I on target? If not, what gives?....Why so angry about somebody bringing up an old topic or discussing the wisdom of selling off land?

I agree some folks get over the top with panic about Disney's future, but they are just having a discussion, for Pete's sake. Why are you so protective of Disney execs? I would think they don't care what we think...or they would protect themselves from the "slander" happening here.

I'm a lefty...by the way.

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

What's sadder is that you found that to point that out, you couldn't be nicer about it. You didn't simply "point it out". Any "contempt" you think I showed was simply in retort to one of your comments. If you honestly don't think you were rude during this thread, then there's no need to continue to talk about this. Differing opinions about Disney World is worth debating. Differing opinions on what common decency and polite behavior is, is not.

And for the record, I never claimed to be virtuous. You won't see me be the antagonist on ANY thread to begin with. But yes, when someone starts insulting me to get there point across, I'll be just as much of a Scrooge as anybody.

Uh, boomhauer, go back and read my first post on page one.

I stated some facts, very nicely, and got attacked and people started spouting nonsense who didn't understand the facts. Then you rejoined the discussion and giving more "THE SKY IS FALLING!" posts and the discussion continued. Don't act like I came in here and started attacking you, I simply started by stating the facts.

I haven't called you any names, however, I have pointed out that as you confirm you didn't know what you were talking about. I'm sorry you feel you need to be treated with kid-glove, but you are acting like I came in swearing and abusing you. If you feel I did that, please use the "report post" link; otherwise, stop whining.

As you your "virtue", yes, you have several times made comments about what a "nice" person you are, and just how superior you feel spouting quotes some teacher said to you years ago. It's called passive-agressive.

Am I on target? If not, what gives?....Why so angry about somebody bringing up an old topic or discussing the wisdom of selling off land?

I agree some folks get over the top with panic about Disney's future, but they are just having a discussion, for Pete's sake. Why are you so protective of Disney execs? I would think they don't care what we think...or they would protect themselves from the "slander" happening here.

No, I'm not involved in any of those things you cite.

People are acting like I walked into this thread "angry", I did not. My first post on the first page is right there for everyone to see.

The reason I cared about the TRUTH in this thread is because many thousands of people read these threads every day, and people were saying "OH MY GOD! DISNEY IS GOING TO BE RUINED! THE EXECS ARE MONEY HUNGRY JERKS!" without basing those statements on FACTS.

I don't want other people to fall for this "sky is falling" mentality some people have with the Disney company. This forum is about theme park attractions and strategies, and I don't want people to fall for the misinformation that was presented in parts of this thread.

The whole point of this thread was to stir the pot; if one is going to come to a forum like this and do so, they need to expect the heat.

I'm fine with a couple of people thinking I'm "not nice" because I am blunt with the facts, and not afraid to point out when people are talking about things they admit they don't understand. The facts I have presented are correct, and if the discussion got a bit heated for some, again, report me to the mods if you feel I violated the rules of this message board. Otherwise, if you can't handle the heat...don't start "Sky is falling!" threads in a Theme Park Attraction and Strategy forum if you don't want it to get challenged.

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