This is the "change" he promised?

[*Fantasia*]

OMG, will you people get over it!

He was elected, he is a very intelligent man and he hasn't even taken office yet. Let's do everything we can to set it up for failure. Your minds are all made up, don't confuse it with facts. If all you're going to do is sit and armchair quarterback, not get involved and just wait to say, "I told you so", then my friends if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Watch carefully, if you must, once he is in office. At least have the common sense to wait until he is in a position to affect change. Good grief!

I agree.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

OMG, will you people get over it!

He was elected, he is a very intelligent man and he hasn't even taken office yet. Let's do everything we can to set it up for failure. Your minds are all made up, don't confuse it with facts. If all you're going to do is sit and armchair quarterback, not get involved and just wait to say, "I told you so", then my friends if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Watch carefully, if you must, once he is in office. At least have the common sense to wait until he is in a position to affect change. Good grief!

So we can't express how he is picking the members of his cabinet and how it doesn't look like change, until he gets in office?

 

[John Smith1]

Huh? Did Obama get sworn in and I missed it?

How about waiting until the man is actually in office before you start complaining?

Let them. We had 8 years of b'ing and m'ing, it's THEIR turn.

I actually enjoy sour grapes! It SUX being a LOSER!

BTW, KUDOS to Bro Prez for hiring Hillary!!! I'm thrilled about that!!

 

[McRed]

It really doesn't matter who the Secretary of State is anyway, since our Foreign Policy is going to be dictated to us by the UN General Assembly. That's the Big Change....we are now the World's Butt Kisser.
All Hail the Capitulator in Chief!

 

[mfd25wife]

Let's face it, no matter who Obama picks some people will complain. Many people are looking for failure.

Sadly there are folks (many right here on the DIS) who find disdain in anything surrounding Obama and his family.

I don't agree with BO or MO in their past actions and beliefs. However, I think the girls are as cute as can be. I don't have disdain for his family at all, it's his friends and associates more than them. But, it's the individuals that I look at.

I guess I look at things differently. I voted for Bush in 2000, against Bush in 2004. Did I want him to win in 2004? Heck no. Did I want his administration to do so poorly that we are in such a mess as we are now just so I could sit back and say "I told you so?" There is no way I wanted that to happen. Of course when Bush won, I wanted him to succeed. I was so bummed out when he won but I got over it in a few days. Just like the other administrations I didn't want to win. I really did hope that, despite not agreeing with much of his platform, that he could still get through it and make something good out of his administration. Did I criticize him? For sure. But I waited until I felt he had actually screwed up something. I did sit back, hopeful, for some time.

I did want Bush to succeed, just as I would have wanted McCain to succeed.

Please understand that I and many others don't want him to fail. We just have serious doubts that he will. Stating that doesn't mean we want him to fail. I, for one, have been praying that I am wrong about him and the next four years.

I took this thread as just an observation that he wasn't making much effort to prove he was going to change things.

 

[eliza61]

I don't think it was ever said that the change would be for the better. It was simply "change" that a lot of voters got duped into hitching their wagons to. We just have to hope it doesn't turn out to be a mess.

There also an equal chance that it will turn out for the BETTER and that's what a lot of use voters who got "DUPED", as you so politely phrased it are hoping for. Since we already know what a mess we're in now, we're betting the change will be for the better.

P.S. I voted for Hillary in the primaries for President so as one of the "duped" I'm also betting that she will be an excellent SoS

 

[Acklander]

When I voted for change - I voted for a change from the Bush administration. So far, Obama has made picks that I'm comfortable with.

 

[LoraJ]

When I voted for change - I voted for a change from the Bush administration. So far, Obama has made picks that I'm comfortable with.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John Smith1]

When I voted for change - I voted for a change from the Bush administration. So far, Obama has made picks that I'm comfortable with.

Every single one.

What the heck did they think "change" meant? Change from the dopes in the White House NOW.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

Every single one.

What the heck did they think "change" meant? Change from the dopes in the White House NOW.

I thinks folks thought that 'change' meant moving away from the old Washington establishment. Selecting Clinton's cast of characters doesn't exactly represent change. Looks like all the old insiders are going to be in place again. That hardly opens up a way for Washington to change the way it does business. It's not change. It's more of the same.

 

[Charade]

I thinks folks thought that 'change' meant moving away from the old Washington establishment. Selecting Clinton's cast of characters doesn't exactly represent change. Looks like all the old insiders are going to be in place again. That hardly opens up a way for Washington to change the way it does business. It's not change. It's more of the same.

Exactly!!

 

[DVCsince02]

OMG, will you people get over it!

He was elected, he is a very intelligent man and he hasn't even taken office yet. Let's do everything we can to set it up for failure. Your minds are all made up, don't confuse it with facts. If all you're going to do is sit and armchair quarterback, not get involved and just wait to say, "I told you so", then my friends if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Watch carefully, if you must, once he is in office. At least have the common sense to wait until he is in a position to affect change. Good grief!

I've been dying to use that one.

 

[adkkev]

Out of curiousity ...

Charade, Hakuna, etc., who would you suggest for the Obama cabinet (and the other supporting positions that have been 'announced', i.e., Chief of Staff, etc.)??

And I'm not being sarcastic in asking this question ... I truly want to know who you feel would be good choices!

 

[minnie61650]

....
Do you really think the people who voted against Bush (in 2000 or especially in 2004) wanted him to succeed? They voted for the other guy because they agreed with their plans/policies. They didn't agree with Bush's so why would they want him (Bush) to succeed?

Oh,my.
Of course I wanted President Bush to be a very sucessful president.
I may not have voted for him but I very much wanted him to lead to our country well. To make our country become even more respected world wide, to lead the world, to set a higher standard, to help our country grow , and become even stronger economically.

Bush is the president of our country and even though I may have voted for another candidate I knew that many others voted Bush.I trusted and I hoped that his policies would be the ones that would keep our country strong.

I had nothing against Bush.
I do not see supporting a President I did not vote for as turning my back on the person I voted for.

I see supporting the President as supporting my persident because after all he is the President of all of the United States citizens ...not just those who voted for him.

JMHO

 

[Christine]

So we can't express how he is picking the members of his cabinet and how it doesn't look like change, until he gets in office?

Yes, of course you can express that opinion as Charade did. In my first post back to Charade, I gave my opinion on why I think picking Hillary did represent a change. I was careful also to state that this is how *I* viewed it and knew others wouldn't agree.

My second post on the thread, which is what you were responding to above, had to do with Charade's statement that people who didn't vote for Bush wanted him not to succeed because his platform was against what we wanted. My response to that (which you quoted and then said "can't we express....") was more of an "argument" with the OPs statement and it was not about expressing opinions.

 

[Quiksilvr]

Everyone who bought into the "Change you can believe in", "we're going to get rid of the Washington insider" line of thinking had to be willfully naive. The Washington insiders aren't going anywhere. We're just changing from a Republican set of Washington insiders to a Democrat set of Washington insiders. That's your "change".

Honestly, this isn't a bad thing. You need people in key positions who, uh, actually have experience. Most of the Democrats with actual useful high-level government experience had something to do with the Clinton administration. Where else was he supposed to find these people? I don't really hold it again Pres.-Elect Obama because I knew that this was going to be his strategy; he doesn't exactly have another option.

For high-level government appointee positions, you need people who are (1) competent, (2) experienced, (3) politically reliable (i.e., will carry out the policy set by the White House), and (4) who actually want the job. Being in charge of these government agencies isn't exactly a cakewalk. Finding someone who has the requisite amounts of those qualities can be hard when there has been only a single Democrat administration in the past 28 years.

I only feel sorry for the college kids and the like who actually thought he was going to appoint people to high-level positions who aren't somehow connected to "inside Washington".

 

[Chicago526]

And if Obama was appointing outsiders with zero Washington experiance, they nay-sayers line would be that he's filling the cabinet with inexperianced hacks who don't know what they're doing.

Beleive it or not, Washington DC is a small place. There are only so many people with the type of experiance needed to run a country. Most of them are going to have experiance in prior administrations. The last Dem administration was Clinton's, so course there is going to be a certain number of appointees who served under Clinton, there isn't any way to really avoid it. There is still plenty of area for change, these people will serve at the pleasure of President Obama, I'm sure he'll do things just a wee bit different than the last couple of guys.

Look, you guys are going to have at least four and most likely eight years to complain about Obama. You really need to pace yourselves, you'll tire yourselves out if you load up on him at the beginning like this.

 

[John Smith1]

Out of curiousity ...

Charade, Hakuna, etc., who would you suggest for the Obama cabinet (and the other supporting positions that have been 'announced', i.e., Chief of Staff, etc.)??

And I'm not being sarcastic in asking this question ... I truly want to know who you feel would be good choices!

Dig up Ronnie I guess. That's about all the dream they have left!

 

[GeorgeG]

Uh, not that I'm really promoting it, but it seems Obama bashing doesn't go down as smoothly as Bush bashing. I don't intend to bash unless and until it's deserved, but that's not to say I don't have some concerns, if not a tiny bit of doubt.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

When I voted for change - I voted for a change from the Bush administration. So far, Obama has made picks that I'm comfortable with.

I now a lot of people who voted for Obama to put CHANGE in THEIR WALLET.