This could have been avoided

We live in a society of entitlements...even if it is printed in back and white on a signed agreement that one is not entitled to something they think they deserve or think they are owed because they are a unique case. They yell and scream and slander companies trying to get their way. It blows my mind...and Im only 33, so its not like Im from an older generation.
 
Also you never know what happens once you land.
3x last week at Orlando International Airport one of the trains broke down.
Also The Central Florida area is in a drought. We've had a lot of fires. The Beach Line/528 has been closed a few times. You can still get to the port but have to take a different route. It's not the easy 45 minute drive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wftv.r...me-at-orlando-international-airport/515588390

https://www.google.com/amp/www.orla...-traffic-smoke-orange-20170413-story,amp.html
 
Also you never know what happens once you land.
3x last week at Orlando International Airport one of the trains broke down.
Also The Central Florida area is in a drought. We've had a lot of fires. The Beach Line/528 has been closed a few times. You can still get to the port but have to take a different route. It's not the easy 45 minute drive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wftv.r...me-at-orlando-international-airport/515588390

https://www.google.com/amp/www.orla...-traffic-smoke-orange-20170413-story,amp.html

Bingo! Christmas Eve when I flew to Miami the night before a cruise, they were using ALL the gates at MIA - even ones that planes have to be towed into because of the angles and proximity to other planes. Of course we were assigned to one of those (I knew this in advance because a flight attendant on a "dead head flight" (meaning the crew of another flight was on our plane to be relocated to Miami for their flight) was next to me). We had just started moving after getting the tow vehicle hooked up when there was a jerk and we stopped. The plane and the towing equipment didn't like each other. And we had to sit there until maintenance got there to check the plane and make sure it was safe to move.

Now, this flight got in late enough that anyone on it had we gotten in on time would have missed a cruise, but there were lots of parties who were supposed to catch other flights that night (including that dead head flight crew). And the people were getting irate. The flight attendants told them to sit down. The captain came on the intercom and explained what was going on and told people to sit down and listen to the flight crew. The dead head flight crew were telling people to sit down - which they had the right to do. Finally a guy in the row in front of me stood up and flashed his NYPD badge and said "I am an officer with the NYPD, and I am telling you right now that if you do not sit down, shut your mouth, and listen to the instructions being given, I WILL be on the phone to Miami Dade and you WILL be met at the door by them and you WILL NOT be going anywhere tonight!" That got their attention and they pretty much sat down.

And even the dead head flight crew missed their flight. A sub crew had to be called in to prevent that flight being even later than it already was because no one knew how long we were going to be.
 
I agree that the family was foolish not to fly in the night before- we definitely would have, although we would not have purchased trip insurance. But... the airlines seem to have forgotten the idea that when they sell you a ticket to fly somewhere on a certain day and at a certain time, that should mean something. I can't just not show for my flight and expect to hop on another one without consequence.

The airline's #1 responsibility is for your safety. If the plane is having problems I wouldn't want to get on it unless they were 101% sure it was OK.
 

We live in a society of entitlements...even if it is printed in back and white on a signed agreement that one is not entitled to something they think they deserve or think they are owed because they are a unique case. They yell and scream and slander companies trying to get their way. It blows my mind...and Im only 33, so its not like Im from an older generation.

Agree, next we'll see they have a Gofund Me account wanting others to give them money to make up the $7000.
 
The problem is the airlines are not scheduling people and equipment with the expectation of issues. They are scheduling full capacity and exact usage of staff so there is a maximum of profit if everything goes well. In addition, flights are fuller than they ever were, so there are fewer seats on the next flights out. These are all causing the problems. I understand the idea of 'for profit', but there's no profit if you can't get people from point A to point B. People are fed up. Tempers are short. Customer service, for the most part, is non-existent in the airline industry. I understand weather and mechanical issues. What I don't understand is why there is such a high likelihood of mechanical issues. Why aren't these planes either better maintained or replaced with something more reliable?
 
The problem is the airlines are not scheduling people and equipment with the expectation of issues. They are scheduling full capacity and exact usage of staff so there is a maximum of profit if everything goes well. In addition, flights are fuller than they ever were, so there are fewer seats on the next flights out. These are all causing the problems. I understand the idea of 'for profit', but there's no profit if you can't get people from point A to point B. People are fed up. Tempers are short. Customer service, for the most part, is non-existent in the airline industry. I understand weather and mechanical issues. What I don't understand is why there is such a high likelihood of mechanical issues. Why aren't these planes either better maintained or replaced with something more reliable?

Why would you schedule planes to fly half empty?? That would skyrocket the prices even more.

And again, crap happens mechanically. I was on a plane - a NEW model plane - that had just been cleared from maintenance and a freak thing happened. I have had cars just out of the dealership for a tune-up have an alternator fail. There are some things that cannot be tested for, and sometimes crap happens. Especially when you are dealing with things as complicated as engines and stuff in planes.
 
Yep. And add to all of this the fact that someone "high up" has a place in Florida where he likes to go and that in and of itself is adding to the issues going in and out of Florida. When I flew to Miami, we were held up on the ground in NYC because of "heavy flight traffic" but a friend going to FLL on another airline and from another location (but still on the East Coast) was delayed leaving AND their air route was changes said her flight crew said it was because of him going into/being in the area.

I had that happen with Dick Cheney when we flying home from our honeymoon. The airline claimed it was weather related and kept stalling. This was before smartphones. By the time they told us it was cancelled it was too late at night to call our friends who lived near the airport or to get a hotel room.
 
I don't understand this. Shouldn't you be paying for an aircraft that is up and working within standards right away? I assumed that's what I was paying for.

When you invent the infallible engine and completely infallible parts, I'm sure the airlines will be lining up to buy from you. In the meantime, things are GOING to fail sometimes. Cars fail sometimes. Trains fail sometimes. Ships fail sometimes. And airplanes fail sometimes. THANKFULLY there are systems in place to alert them to potential problems as soon as possible, and I would much rather have them take care of it on the ground than have a massive system failure in the air. (I DO, however, draw the line at what I can only term as "elective" maintenance - where they admit that they knew about this issue before flying the plane to your airport, so clearly it is NOT a flight-threatening issue, and choose to do the maintenance at your airport "just to get it done so we wouldn't have to later" (pilot's words as he was informing us that we were going to be grounded for a LOT longer while Dallas "tried" to find us a plane)...and break a screw, thus rendering a plane that WAS usable NOT.)
 
Dug721 I totally get what you're saying but you also have to see the other side of the coin. they have to have some responsibility and have a Plan B. That is their job -to get people to one point to another. That is what people are paying them to do. They are paying them to get them to a specific location as the airline promises. I get mechanical things happen but their customer service is Horrendous and I think this is part of what gets people more mad . they don't seem to care -they just seem like oh well I don't care that you paid $2000 for your family to fly somewhere today, I'll get you there tomorrow instead. I just don't feel that's right -it's my opinion -I do understand yours.
 
There's a lot of coulda, shoulda, woulda here. I'm a frequent traveler for work, and I've encountered probably the majority of things that can go wrong: flight delays causing missed connections, rerouting to other airports, aborted landings, flight crews not showing up, equipment failure, you name it. And I've learned a lot about how to prepare for problems, the most important lesson being, "plan for problems."

When you buy an airplane ticket, it's governed by the so-called "contract of carriage", which outlines what you're actually getting. You might have a reserved seat on a particular flight with a particular departure time and a particular arrival time, but in truth, the airline is only obliged to get you there. Under certain circumstances, as a passenger you have some additional rights (for instance, if the flight is delayed too long due to mechanical or staffing issues, you may be entitled to meal and/or hotel compensation.) But the contract of carriage contains no assurance that it will get you to your destination on time.

As many others here have noted, the wise course of action is to get trip insurance and/or fly in the day before. I also concur with those who believe they should have had passports, although I don't think that would have helped them in this particular case. For my own travel purposes, I try to avoid any layovers shorter than one hour (longer during the winter) and I just focus on keeping an even keel. As much as we may want to assign blame for what happened, I've found it's far more important to focus on the next move. If your flight into Ft. Lauderdale is horribly delayed, there's no harm in asking the agent about flights to an alternate airport. I once had a situation that required that I be in San Francisco the next day and due to weather, I had missed the last SFO flight of the day (and because it was weather, they weren't paying for a hotel.) They wanted to put me on a flight that would have had me in SFO mid-afternoon the next day. Not ideal. After a bit of cool-headed investigation, they said they had a flight to Los Angeles yet that evening, and could put me on an early morning LAX-SFO flight which would have me where I needed to be by mid-to-late morning. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than the original scenario.

My final point is this: nobody likes delays or cancellations. They're one of the fastest ways to ruin a gate agent's days because they know they have to deal with a LOT of irate customers. It also means they're grateful when customers don't take their frustrations out on them (the agent who set me up with the LAX-SFO connection, which was not one of their usual connections, also thanked me for being understanding: the person in front of me was not.) Gate agents have more power than a lot of customers realize. They can book you on the next available flight and tell you there's nothing more they can do, too bad so sad, but they can also take an extra few minutes and are sometimes able to work miracles. And although they should always do their utmost for everyone, I've found that I get FAR better results when I'm being polite.
 
Dug721 I totally get what you're saying but you also have to see the other side of the coin. they have to have some responsibility and have a Plan B. That is their job -to get people to one point to another. That is what people are paying them to do. They are paying them to get them to a specific location as the airline promises. I get mechanical things happen but their customer service is Horrendous and I think this is part of what gets people more mad . they don't seem to care -they just seem like oh well I don't care that you paid $2000 for your family to fly somewhere today, I'll get you there tomorrow instead. I just don't feel that's right -it's my opinion -I do understand yours.

I get it, but unless you are at a hub, the odds of them having another plane at their immediate (and by immediate I mean 45-60 minutes because it has to be cleared mechanically and security-wise - this I know from first hand experience on 4/18) disposal. They don't store planes at every airport, and sometimes it just isn't possible to get another plane there in a reasonable time.

Trust me - I spent 6.5 hours stuck at LGA because of that "elective maintenance" thing I told you about. LGA is NOT a Southwest hub and they do not store planes there on a regular basis. Dallas finally decided we could have the plane coming in from Atlanta landing at 12:30am, getting us to Nashville sometime around 2:30am. Did they have planes in their stable somewhere? Probably - but that would have involved paying another flight crew and paying for all the pre-flight stuff and the fuel to fly an empty plane from a hub to LGA - and no airline is going to do that. Especially one that likes to have dirt cheap fares. Unfortunately for them, this WAS their second chance from me - it was largely paid for by a voucher when they messed up doing something elective on an earlier flight. Fool me once... I flat out refused their voucher and will never fly them again unless there is absolutely no other way to get there (and I am even including the Greyhound bus in that). So I get the frustration.

But I also know that it doesn't make sense to keep "a plane in every port" for just in case. And sometimes there simply IS no other plane available.
 
Dug721 I totally get what you're saying but you also have to see the other side of the coin. they have to have some responsibility and have a Plan B. That is their job -to get people to one point to another. That is what people are paying them to do. They are paying them to get them to a specific location as the airline promises. I get mechanical things happen but their customer service is Horrendous and I think this is part of what gets people more mad . they don't seem to care -they just seem like oh well I don't care that you paid $2000 for your family to fly somewhere today, I'll get you there tomorrow instead. I just don't feel that's right -it's my opinion -I do understand yours.

They do have a responsibility to get you to your destination, but the contract of carriage is very painfully, excruciatingly, obnoxiously clear that they're under no obligation to get you to your destination WHEN you want to get there. It might not be fair, but when you purchase the ticket and agree to the contract, that's what you're signing up for, and it's right in the terms and conditions you have to agree to in order to purchase the ticket.
 
My final point is this: nobody likes delays or cancellations. They're one of the fastest ways to ruin a gate agent's days because they know they have to deal with a LOT of irate customers. It also means they're grateful when customers don't take their frustrations out on them (the agent who set me up with the LAX-SFO connection, which was not one of their usual connections, also thanked me for being understanding: the person in front of me was not.) Gate agents have more power than a lot of customers realize. They can book you on the next available flight and tell you there's nothing more they can do, too bad so sad, but they can also take an extra few minutes and are sometimes able to work miracles. And although they should always do their utmost for everyone, I've found that I get FAR better results when I'm being polite.

Yep! I got stuck in Orlando with half the country (at least it felt that way) during the Christmas Blizzard of 2010. I waited in the super long line at MCO, and by the time I got to the front, I smiled and as nicely as I could said "It is just me. I just need to be back by Jan 2 if at all possible. I know my ticket was for JFK, but I can take LGA, EWR. Or if we need to Philly, DC area, or Boston and I can get a train from there. And I know it's weird, but if going through Nashville works, I have family there who I can stay with." She was able to get me into one of the NYC-area airports on Jan. 1 and was super grateful to me for being so flexible and polite. I know just from observing and listening to what was going on that the vast majority of people were NOT being polite OR flexible.
 

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