Third party commercial renters

[mistysue]

We don't really know what is going on behind the scenes as far as who and what is being reviewed. And frankly, it isn't anyone's business. You can not say there isn't a crackdown when there are likely many, many rental transactions which are under review and not every renter who is affected will report about it on the internet, especially if the broker or DVC Member makes them whole via a refund or replacement reservation.

Exactly. One is not a crackdown. We don't know what is going on, it might be quite extensive, but we know of one, so we can't say it's a crackdown.

 

[Chuck S]

Exactly. One is not a crackdown. We don't know what is going on, it might be quite extensive, but we know of one, so we can't say it's a crackdown.

We also can not say with any certainty it is NOT a crackdown.

 

[SL6827]

When renting really starts hitting Disney's wallet, then they might do something. Maybe it already has? Maybe not?

 

[nalababybear]

Unless their hotels are not at capacity despite discounts, renting will be a good thing for Disney.

Rentors will experience DVC and potential new buyers themselves.

They also are more occasional visitors who spend more than regular DVC regulars.

And they probably would have been Offsite stays if not at dvc stay, thus grabbing those onsite spend dollars too.

 

[crisi]

Unless their hotels are not at capacity despite discounts, renting will be a good thing for Disney.

Rentors will experience DVC and potential new buyers themselves.

They also are more occasional visitors who spend more than regular DVC regulars.

And they probably would have been Offsite stays if not at dvc stay, thus grabbing those onsite spend dollars too.

Disney's hotels haven't run at capacity in decades. And while rental to DVC conversion is nice and is a big influx of cash, its going to happen at a very low rate - and some of that will be resale where Disney gets no benefit at all, while booking hotel rates at their high margins is money in hand for certain right now.

 

[Genie+]

This was a private transaction. The full details are really no one else's business, and should be handled between
1) DVC & The DVC Owner.
2) The DVC Owner & The Broker
3) The Broker & the innocent Renter or the DVC Owner & the innocent Renter.

No one’s business until the renter disclosed the details on facebook

Which is their business to share. Are you saying they don’t have a right to share?

 

[crvetter]

Disney's hotels haven't run at capacity in decades. And while rental to DVC conversion is nice and is a big influx of cash, its going to happen at a very low rate - and some of that will be resale where Disney gets no benefit at all, while booking hotel rates at their high margins is money in hand for certain right now.

In FY 2023, they reported 85% occupancy at the domestic parks. I think that’s still high enough they would rather the DVC rooms rented since those individuals filling them are unlikely to rent the deluxe rooms that are the ones with lower occupancy on average I bet. Maybe fill the moderates though.

 

[Chuck S]

No one’s business until the renter disclosed the details on facebook

Which is their business to share. Are you saying they don’t have a right to share?

I was replying to a poster HERE that was asking if we knew the full details, other than what was posted voluntarily on FB. If the people directly involved in the transaction wish to post details, they certainly may. But to EXPECT them to do so, like we have some sort of right to the details, is a bit over the top.

 

[DonMacGregor]

No one’s business until the renter disclosed the details on facebook

Which is their business to share. Are you saying they don’t have a right to share?

Beat me to it...

 

[lowlight]

This was a private transaction. The full details are really no one else's business, and should be handled between
1) DVC & The DVC Owner.
2) The DVC Owner & The Broker
3) The Broker & the innocent Renter or the DVC Owner & the innocent Renter.

Yikes.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

I was not being snarky. If you are truly upset by Disney doing this to you why on earth would you do business with them? Boost Mobile screwed me over recently and I promptly cancelled service and requested a credit card charge back which I received. Life is too short to be annoyed. I refuse to do business with any company that annoys me.

because a mobile carrier is easily replaced by 6-10 others; Disney is Disney. Not a good comparison. Just snark.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

Don’t know if this is what you mean but:

1. There can’t be used more points than the total maximum for all the resorts combined.
If we assume BWV have 2 million points (can’t remember the exact number) then there can’t be used more than that - through out the year.

However if all BWV owners tries to use their points during May then not all owners will get what they want and will have to settle.

2. No owners will be shut out, all owners have the same possibility to book. Some are perhaps just more lucky than others therefore some owners will either have to settle for another room type or try another resort.

That also mean that resale or not that if you book during the 11 month window you can get something at your home resort.

However if you wait until the 7 month window then the competition will be much more fierce since direct owners at Ie Riviera will have access to Boardwalk but resale won’t have access at Riviera. BUT one could argue that if you booked your home resort then you always have a room and then maybe you can switch and maybe you can’t.

You could also make another argument that since resale can’t book the restricted resorts then resale need to book their home resort and that causes the resorts without restrictions to have very limited availability at 7 months which again causes the direct owners to be unable to book them.

Not all owners have the$$ or capacity to build BOTs to book the rooms at the minute the window opens nor should they.

 

[crisi]

because a mobile carrier is easily replaced by 6-10 others; Disney is Disney. Not a good comparison. Just snark.

Although honestly, there are LOTS of vacation destinations. Disney is great. But if you aren't getting the value from Disney or DVC, there is a whole world that can compete for your dollars - some of it Disney adjacent (ABD, Cruises), some related (Universal has become a contender), some of it just doing something completely different - like going to Mexico for a week and sitting on a beach, visiting Mayan sites, and taking your kids snorkeling through underwater caves. Disney no longer even makes my top ten list of places I want to visit or revisit.

 

[muppets3d]

The "if you're so unhappy, just leave" comments are not helpful.

 

[nalababybear]

Although honestly, there are LOTS of vacation destinations. Disney is great. But if you aren't getting the value from Disney or DVC, there is a whole world that can compete for your dollars - some of it Disney adjacent (ABD, Cruises), some related (Universal has become a contender), some of it just doing something completely different - like going to Mexico for a week and sitting on a beach, visiting Mayan sites, and taking your kids snorkeling through underwater caves. Disney no longer even makes my top ten list of places I want to visit or revisit.

Yet a Disney dedicated forum sight surely hitting your top ten

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

Although honestly, there are LOTS of vacation destinations. Disney is great. But if you aren't getting the value from Disney or DVC, there is a whole world that can compete for your dollars - some of it Disney adjacent (ABD, Cruises), some related (Universal has become a contender), some of it just doing something completely different - like going to Mexico for a week and sitting on a beach, visiting Mayan sites, and taking your kids snorkeling through underwater caves. Disney no longer even makes my top ten list of places I want to visit or revisit.

It's not an either/or for me. I can and do travel domestically and internationally. Italy costs a fraction compared to Disney. People should be able to express their views on DVC rules/practice/violations without this type of judgement. It's like complaining about the government - the point isn't to move to another country; the point is to try to affect change.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Not all owners have the$$ or capacity to build BOTs to book the rooms at the minute the window opens nor should they.

I’m not sure that was the intention by the post that I replied to.

No one should build bots to get a room and imo they don’t need to. The $$ you mention I don’t understand how money would help you get a room?

With that being said, No owners are unable to book a room at the 11 month window. It might be that they don’t get their first choice ie BWV studio standard view but then they can get another studio preferred view.

 

[crisi]

Yet a Disney dedicated forum sight surely hitting your top ten

Nope. I've been here more than 20 years and when I joined, we had little kids and Disney was definitely a top ten vacation destination. My kids aged out. We've never owned enough points to go more often than every other year, and prefer Hilton Head to WDW nowadays - which is where our points get used for a snowbird vacation in February. Which is why the rental thing for me is pretty theoretical - we own BWV where this is a problem for Standard Views - but have booked Standard View once in 25 years.

1. Africa
2. Bath, England
3. London
4. Prague
5. Paris
6. Scotland
7. India
8. New Zealand
9. Peru
10. Bali/Tahiti

Most of these I've done and would go back to. Others are on my bucket list. And I could go on before I got to WDW - Grand Canyon, Biltmore and a Bourbon Tour, Ireland, Rome, Greece, Amsterdam, Thailand, Taiwan, Costa Rica.....

Nor is this site in my top ten of places I visit on the internet.

That said we are planning on taking our adult kids in the next two years for a nostalgia trip.

 

[Bearval]

Unless their hotels are not at capacity despite discounts, renting will be a good thing for Disney.

Rentors will experience DVC and potential new buyers themselves.

They also are more occasional visitors who spend more than regular DVC regulars.

And they probably would have been Offsite stays if not at dvc stay, thus grabbing those onsite spend dollars too.

If people know about renting DVC resorts from 3rd party rental sites then they already know about DVC resale. Resale is not going to benefit Disney's bottom line.

 

[Bearval]

Just ‘cause someone posted on FB doesn’t make it true…

WHAT???? are you saying you cannot trust everything you read on the internet?