Think we will see more multi-generation living?

[Pea-n-Me]

Can she move to assisted living with activities in the building?
Lots of those kind of places where I live.

I did talk to her about it and she is willing to look into it. There are lots here too, but paying for it is another matter (as we discussed on another thread recently).

 

[kymom99]

If you find the "right kind" of guy that isn't "hung up" on having adult children around on date night, send them my way.

Are these guys too cheap to go out? Of course I’m joking with you, but I’m glad I don’t have to worry about dating.

 

[JLTraveling]

If you find the "right kind" of guy that isn't "hung up" on having adult children around on date night, send them my way.

You're welcome to any of my exes. They haven't worked out for various reasons, but I've never dated someone who had issues with my living situation, and I've never lived alone. Parents, roommates, younger cousins staying with me, runaways I took in, whatever. I've always dated people who rolled with the punches.

 

[disneychrista]

You're welcome to any of my exes. They haven't worked out for various reasons, but I've never dated someone who had issues with my living situation, and I've never lived alone. Parents, roommates, younger cousins staying with me, runaways I took in, whatever. I've always dated people who rolled with the punches.

But never adult children. I think it is the adult children factor more than the other people factor. The one guy I dated who didn’t seem to mind it was also wrong for other reasons.

 

[disneychrista]

Are these guys too cheap to go out? Of course I’m joking with you, but I’m glad I don’t have to worry about dating.

LOL. Dating in general sucks. Dating at 50 sucks even more.

 

[Colleen27]

I think there's going to be a limit on how popular it can get, since such a relatively small percentage of American housing stock is constructed with any sort of shared arrangement in mind. I could never do it. Not in my house, not in my MIL's, not in my mother's. Because they're all small to mid-size (relative to averages) homes with floor plans that would allow very little independence or privacy for generations sharing space - one living space, one bathroom per floor, bedrooms all clustered together, one front door. And all three are typical for their neighborhoods. I think most families would have to be feeling pretty desperate to be comfortable with multigenerational living in a home like ours, and the costs of remodeling to make it more viable would very quickly approach the cost of buying a second home. We also haven't seen codes start to change to accommodate it; my inlaws wanted to set their above the attached garage bonus room up as essentially an efficiency apartment for their youngest son, who was an adult but still living at home when they built, and the city wouldn't allow a separate entrance, without which the entire idea became moot anyway. They're trying to limit AirBnB/short term rentals within the community, so any attempt to add a potentially stand-alone space in residential zoning tends is denied.

Our across the street neighbor has a duplex that I think is an interesting set-up. His mother bought the house and lives in one side. He and his son lived in the other for years, when the son was small and our neighbor needed help with childcare and such as a single dad. But it fell apart pretty quick when he met a woman and decided to remarry. Apparently having MIL living next door with a key to your house created some boundary issues, so they bought a place of their own, just a few minutes away, over the summer.

 

[mousefan73]

Um, do your bedrooms not have locking doors?

Interesting perspective, but not necessarily true? Lots of stereotypes in your portrayal of US homes. We've got a housing crisis here in the US, lots of people cannot afford to buy land (which isn't as available as you think, unless you are talking about farms turning into housing developments) to build the McMansions you are talking about. Don't let the silly tv shows sway you to think that the majority of Americans live that way anymore. Sure, that was the glamourous image some rich developers wanted to make trendy, but that would require the middle class and lower class to actually have an income to support it. And there's plenty of land to build on in Europe, one would just have to move out of the more urban areas, just like in the US. Our family and friends in Norway, Ireland, England, and Lithuania have bought homes where there was lots of space.

I wasnt referring to "McMansions" I am referring to the standard suburban home where I grew up in Illinois. The below example is a suburb of chicago ( far west). In a metro Germany area also that far out, you would pay more than the home price below for just the land.. Most single family homes ( contruction/materials) are ball partk 500,000. Land prices can very. I am non-metro and by us a small lot is 90,000 without hook-ups. Here in Germany one does not see single home housing developments but everything is bought/build privately or investors might build a home or apartment complex, but not entire neighborhoods.

I was referrring to in the below home, you have two living spaces and a formal dining downstairs. 3 bath.. Unless you have a legit "villa" a rare single family home has that many rooms. nor baths. The below house is actually the perfect size for a multi generational family. space wise two families (depends on number of kids) would fit as most homes are about 1000-1200 sqt

 

[mousefan73]

I think one issue why there is lack of multi-general homes is culture that it is often uncomfortable for a boyfriend/girlfriend to live or spend the night together in a parents home. Here is Europe if a teen has a partner, it is not unusual they spend the night in a parents home, married or not ( starting at 16- but that's a different thread lol) My friend has her two daughters share an upstairs unit in their home, both boyfriends basically moved in and the girls are 19 and 22. One boyfriend only lasted a few months, until the next came in. In American culture, the girls would have moved out so they could have boyfriend time , all the time without parents knowing too much.

I mean we have threads on the resorts and DCL forums people always asking where to put their kids college boy/friendds and girlsfriends and a rarely is the solution they should maybe share a room unless they are much older or married.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That sounds awful! I was thinking of intentionally living somewhere that worked well for multigenerational living, not shoving into a shoebox with a tenant as well as family!

Yeah it wasn't the best living arrangement but those types of homes (hers is a split level too) is incredibly common. It was built in the 60's.

My husband lived in a basement house apartment when he lived in southern Maryland for work but it was a walk out basement and so he was completely separate from the upstairs and his entrance was accessible by going around the back of the house via a built path. It was self-contained enough and actually had pretty good insulation on the flooring as you never really heard the homeowner above. It had a small kitchen, a bathroom with a standing shower, a utility closet, a bedroom and a living room but frankly no he wouldn't have wanted to live there unless he had to (he was there a little over 8 months). That type of housing however was more common there in that particular area of southern Maryland, he actually said back then (which was in 2015) that it was harder to find apartment complexes close enough to where he was working so most of his choices were houses with space being rented out.

However, I would say that arrangement is not uber common in my area. If you're going to have multi-generational living such that you're not having issues with bedrooms being too close, plenty of personal space, etc it's going to be newer builds where there's more space to plan that or spending a lot of money converting spaces.

Something people don't tend to talk about is the capacity for breaker boxes and electricity. Old homes are not necessarily prepared for multi-generational living. At least in our basement when it was built it was built with expansion in mind already.

This is also me not talking about true duplexes or townhouses. I think a lot of the talk is about single family homes being adjusted to multi-generational living and there's a reason why that presents issues of privacy, space for everyone, etc.

We do have a basement that is planned for a bedroom and a bathroom down there, it has an egress window (legally required for living space) but there would never be a separate entrance to that space unless we excavate down further to turn our partial daylight lot into a walkout lot and no I wouldn't want my family members living in my basement like that with no separate entrance and also no ability to really have my basement plus for safety reasons there will need to be access to that in case of tornadoes.

IDK I don't think there should be a stigma at all regarding multi-generational living but I 100% understand reasons why people don't want it or realistically can't have it. Sure it has reasons partially steeped in independence but I do very much value my ability to have my own place to live, I can still see my family when I want to and trust me even within my husband's family we would all drive each other batty if we lived together, been there done that with hotel rooms when I was in my late teens and early 20s and that time is long gone. It's a last resort to me not a choice. And IMO that does not need a stigma either.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I think if people are worried about a little bit of noise or “boundary issues” they aren’t desperate enough to try to make it work. Seriously. Not trying to be insulting, but trying to say that many are getting to a point where there’s not much choice in the matter, and it behooves families to work hard to try to figure out how they’re going to make it happen, if they can. (Did I mention we were trying to start our family when Mom moved in with us and was in a bedroom next door to ours while her place was being built? Oh, and yes, routines were very regimented - ie had to get busy at exact times, on a pre-arranged schedule - as we were going through reproductive therapies.)

Rules and boundaries help. Separate spaces help. Respectful behavior helps.

And for some, admittedly, it will never work. But for plenty of others, it may, but it may not a perfect situation, either. It’s just what families do to help eachother out. If they can afford to live separately, then more power to them; maybe best to keep the status quo. But when, in the face of rising costs that some may not be able to afford, it can be a good solution.

We, of course, had issues, too, so much so that a bunch of us who had these living situations (they are apparently more popular here because we are in a high COL region) joked about starting a support group, lol. Out of those families, one parted ways when it didn’t work out. The rest made it work.

Bottom line: I think if you don’t have to do this, then all the better. But if you have to, then it can be a good solution.

We had to.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think if people are worried about a little bit of noise or “boundary issues” they aren’t desperate enough to try to make it work. Seriously. Not trying to be insulting, but trying to say that many are getting to a point where there’s not much choice in the matter, and it behooves families to work hard to try to figure out how they’re going to make it happen, if they can. (Did I mention we were trying to start our family when Mom moved in with us and was in a bedroom next door to ours while her place was being built? Oh, and yes, routines were very regimented - ie had to get busy at exact times, on a pre-arranged schedule - as we were going through reproductive therapies.)

Rules and boundaries help. Separate spaces help. Respectful behavior helps.

And for some, admittedly, it will never work. But for plenty of others, it may, but it may not a perfect situation, either. It’s just what families do to help eachother out. If they can afford to live separately, then more power to them; maybe best to keep the status quo. But when, in the face of rising costs that some may not be able to afford, it can be a good solution.

We, of course, had issues, too, so much so that a bunch of us who had these living situations (they are apparently more popular here because we are in a high COL region) joked about starting a support group, lol. Out of those families, one parted ways when it didn’t work out. The rest made it work.

Bottom line: I think if you don’t have to do this, then all the better. But if you have to, then it can be a good solution.

We had to.

I would think living with someone is preferable in most cases (not talking about abuse or otherwise) than homeless. But by in large I think people are talking about the active choice to engage in living arrangements as a lifestyle choice not by necessity because we all know how sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Colleen27]

. I don't understand why on earth people have such a need for independence or whatever that they can't possibly share with family.

People are going to have different comfort zones with things, especially if they're not in a home purpose-built for independent sharing. Our adult kids moved home for a while during the pandemic and that was enough for me to know I don't want to do it again. Our home layout just can't support it, not when my son's bedroom is next to mine and above my home office, so I could hear what he and his SO were up to loud and clear. Not when it means having to get fully dressed to run to the bathroom at night because you're apt to run into someone in the hallway, not when there's only one living space so watching TV is hard because someone else is always in there wanting to chat, not when the front door is more or less directly under my bed so my sleep is disrupted by adult kids coming in late, etc.

 

[RamblingMad]

People are going to have different comfort zones with things, especially if they're not in a home purpose-built for independent sharing. Our adult kids moved home for a while during the pandemic and that was enough for me to know I don't want to do it again. Our home layout just can't support it, not when my son's bedroom is next to mine and above my home office, so I could hear what he and his SO were up to loud and clear. Not when it means having to get fully dressed to run to the bathroom at night because you're apt to run into someone in the hallway, not when there's only one living space so watching TV is hard because someone else is always in there wanting to chat, not when the front door is more or less directly under my bed so my sleep is disrupted by adult kids coming in late, etc.

Modern home builds are not laid out properly. My parents old 100+ year old home was perfectly laid for it.

Instead, what's happening is that people are forced into multigenerational living in a poorly laid out home today. My current home has more square footage than my parent's original home, but the layout is terrible to have two families living here. The room sizes are all wrong.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I think there's going to be a limit on how popular it can get, since such a relatively small percentage of American housing stock is constructed with any sort of shared arrangement in mind. I could never do it. Not in my house, not in my MIL's, not in my mother's. Because they're all small to mid-size (relative to averages) homes with floor plans that would allow very little independence or privacy for generations sharing space - one living space, one bathroom per floor, bedrooms all clustered together, one front door. And all three are typical for their neighborhoods. I think most families would have to be feeling pretty desperate to be comfortable with multigenerational living in a home like ours, and the costs of remodeling to make it more viable would very quickly approach the cost of buying a second home. We also haven't seen codes start to change to accommodate it; my inlaws wanted to set their bonus room up as more or less an efficiency apartment for their youngest son, who was an adult but still living at home when they built, and the city wouldn't allow a separate entrance, without which the entire idea became moot anyway. They're trying to limit AirBnB/short term rentals within the community, so any attempt to add a potentially stand-alone space in residential zoning tends is denied.

Our across the street neighbor has a duplex that I think is an interesting set-up. His mother bought the house and lives in one side. He and his son lived in the other for years, when the son was small and our neighbor needed help with childcare and such as a single dad. But it fell apart pretty quick when he met a woman and decided to remarry. Apparently having MIL living next door with a key to your house created some boundary issues, so they bought a place of their own, just a few minutes away, over the summer.

It can definitely get interesting from a practical perspective. In my experience, in this area (and I’ve had an interest in these types of private set ups here for well over 30 yrs now), it simply varies by town. Where I grew up, in the city, two, three, and up to six family houses were the norm. On my father’s side of the family, they all had them and all the living spaces were occupied by family. They all remained super close, some of them even buying vacation homes out of state together. On my mother’s side, her mother lived in a six family house which was actually very beautiful when you really looked at the ornate woodwork inside, and they were quite spacious, built in the nineteenth century when this sort of thing was more common in the cities, no doubt. (She later moved to senior housing when she could no longer climb three flights of stairs.) Everyone else in my mother’s family went on to do pretty well for themselves, get married, and buy single family homes, most still in the city.

When we first began contemplating building an in-law apt onto our house (which is also relatively small), we had a lot of hoops we had to jump through where we live. It was frustrating because we knew others in different areas who had few rules about adding on, and/or some just did things by skirting the rules. I wanted ours all done legally in case we had a fire or something (and we did, not to the in-law but another part of the house, but let me tell you, the house was scrutinized, as were our credit and finances, etc.), so we did what we had to do.

The way it worked where we are (or at least how it was then; it could be different now, Idk), was that, the rules stated you could [legally] put an in-law apt into an already existing space, so you could put a kitchen in (which is the really important thing for people, besides a bedroom, bathroom and some living space, so everyone can be happy) and that was fine (if you had a workable space). IF you built onto the house, it couldn’t become a legal in-law space for three years, so no kitchen in a new space. Ik, seems like a weird rule, and I guess it’s because they don’t want everyone building these spaces on willy-nilly they they can rent out or what not. (Because legally, it can be rented out if done right.) So we were able to build the space but not put a kitchen in for three years. Mom made due with a fridge, microwave, coffee pot, and a bathroom sink for that time, but the full kitchen didn’t go in until the time was up. (She could also use our kitchen or we shared meals, so it wasn’t a huge deal.) I know people in the same area we live who built on and put the kitchen in right away, too. I guess it depends on your comfort level. I’ve talked to a lot of people who live elsewhere and they seemed to have an easier time of it, too. We also had to attest every year that we had a relative living there. It’s ok to rent it to a non-relative, but I guess they want to know about it. (We haven’t rented it so it’s been a moot point for us so far.)

The other big question that comes up is, who pays for it? In our case, Mom paid for it via the sale of her house, but once here, she didn’t have to pay for anything else other than a few personal bills like her health and car insurance, and groceries, etc. We continued to pay all utilities, cable, taxes, etc. (Over 25 yrs, I think she made out on the deal, put it that way.) Going into it we didn’t have a crystal ball so we didn’t know if she’d be hear five years, or twenty five. Honestly, it didn’t matter. But as soon as it was built, our taxes and utilities shot up, that’s for sure! Lol. Long term, it has added value onto our home, so it’s all good. (We may even be the ones using it some day!)

I know you have family in construction, so you know it better than I do, but I had an architect friend, so we had plans drawn up (which worked out great, as we made the whole thing handicapped accessible, which we didn’t need until the last year of Mom’s life, but when we needed it, it was really nice to have) and got three estimates, and even back then, they seemed high. (One was a friend, too. And of course, I was trying my best to do this as economically as possible.) During that time I happened to be getting a kitchen floor installed, and happened to mention to the man doing it what our plans were. He said he was a builder, but took on some of these small jobs during the winter, and he wanted to bid on it. His bid came back quite a bit lower, still using quality materials, so I was a little unsure about whether the quality of his work would be good. So I went and looked at some of the local building work he’d done for others, and not only was his work really good, the people sang his praises. So we went with him, and he did an amazing job. (The reason his costs were lower was that he mainly worked with just one other guy. So it took a little longer, but I was glad he did the work, and it saved Mom about $20K. He later built another room onto our house, for us, and again, amazing work.) Lesson for me: It’s good to shop around.

I’ve seem some really nice in-law set ups in other homes. When we were looking at houses to buy (we‘re still in our first), we did look at some with in-law set ups already, but Mom wasn’t ready for that step at that point, so we let it go. I think it was probably more difficult to go through the building process than it would’ve been to just move into a house with [a nice] one already there [one we viewed was a mess and I wouldn’t have wanted that for Mom or for us]. But it worked out in the end. From where we live it was easy for Mom to drive to stores and to church without a lot of difficulty or getting lost. Our house probably became a little small for us, but we stayed because of the in-law. I have recommended to people I know who could benefit from such an arrangement to consider selling one house and doing the same - building on to the other (one in particular I’m thinking of has the perfect set up with a lot of land and an easy style that would look great with an addition, etc.) ETA or combining resources and buying a suitable home together. I would also suggest in that case that they should probably see a lawyer first if there will be issues about ownership in that case, such as a young family selling their house or whatever. It can get tricky when others are involved who may hold resentment or whatever.

Probably too long, but just wanted to throw some of this out there in case there are people thinking about this seriously. Oh, and I forgot to say, I looked at every option for Mom besides building an in-law apt. A condo near us would’ve been nice, but she couldn’t afford the bills every month on her limited income. And senior housing wasn’t an option because of the money she had from the sale of her house. She was also fairly young at that time (69) but still working and, as I mentioned before, in a bad situation living by herself in a house that she couldn’t keep up with and nefarious people around her where she was. I imagine there are a lot of people in similar situations today, but costs are even more crazy now than they were then.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I would think living with someone is preferable in most cases (not talking about abuse or otherwise) than homeless. But by in large I think people are talking about the active choice to engage in living arrangements as a lifestyle choice not by necessity because we all know how sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

I’m not sure it’s so black and white for everyone.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’m not sure it’s so black and white for everyone.

I was talking about the conversation on this thread (as you put it people just aren't trying hard enough) not about generically thinking about it. Most of the "don't want to" conversation started after a poster brought up about wanting independence and that got people talking about their situations and living with families where that just wasn't going to work including the privacy conversation. A lifestyle choice to move in and stay that way in multi-generational housing by choice (similar to cultures who do this anyhow) brings about different feelings than "I literally can't afford rent or other housing so it's this or nadda".

 

[tvguy]

It can definitely get interesting from a practical perspective. In my experience, in this area (and I’ve had an interest in these types of private set ups here for well over 30 yrs now), it simply varies by town. Where I grew up, in the city, two, three, and up to six family houses were the norm. On my father’s side of the family, they all had them and all the living spaces were occupied by family. They all remained super close, some of them even buying vacation homes out of state together. On my mother’s side, her mother lived in a six family house which was actually very beautiful when you really looked at the ornate woodwork inside, and they were quite spacious, built in the nineteenth century when this sort of thing was more common in the cities, no doubt. (She later moved to senior housing when she could no longer climb three flights of stairs.) Everyone else in my mother’s family went on to do pretty well for themselves, get married, and buy single family homes, most still in the city.

When we first began contemplating building an in-law apt onto our house (which is also relatively small), we had a lot of hoops we had to jump through where we live. It was frustrating because we knew others in different areas who had few rules about adding on, and/or some just did things by skirting the rules. I wanted ours all done legally in case we had a fire or something (and we did, not to the in-law but another part of the house, but let me tell you, the house was scrutinized, as were our credit and finances, etc.), so we did what we had to do.

The way it worked where we are (or at least how it was then; it could be different now, Idk), was that, the rules stated you could [legally] put an in-law apt into an already existing space, so you could put a kitchen in (which is the really important thing for people, besides a bedroom, bathroom and some living space, so everyone can be happy) and that was fine (if you had a workable space). IF you built onto the house, it couldn’t become a legal in-law space for three years, so no kitchen in a new space. Ik, seems like a weird rule, and I guess it’s because they don’t want everyone building these spaces on willy-nilly they they can rent out or what not. (Because legally, it can be rented out if done right.) So we were able to build the space but not put a kitchen in for three years. Mom made due with a fridge, microwave, coffee pot, and a bathroom sink for that time, but the full kitchen didn’t go in until the time was up. (She could also use our kitchen or we shared meals, so it wasn’t a huge deal.) I know people in the same area we live who built on and put the kitchen in right away, too. I guess it depends on your comfort level. I’ve talked to a lot of people who live elsewhere and they seemed to have an easier time of it, too. We also had to attest every year that we had a relative living there. It’s ok to rent it to a non-relative, but I guess they want to know about it. (We haven’t rented it so it’s been a moot point for us so far.)

The other big question that comes up is, who pays for it? In our case, Mom paid for it via the sale of her house, but once here, she didn’t have to pay for anything else other than a few personal bills like her health and car insurance, and groceries, etc. We continued to pay all utilities, cable, taxes, etc. (Over 25 yrs, I think she made out on the deal, put it that way.) Going into it we didn’t have a crystal ball so we didn’t know if she’d be hear five years, or twenty five. Honestly, it didn’t matter. But as soon as it was built, our taxes and utilities shot up, that’s for sure! Lol. Long term, it has added value onto our home, so it’s all good. (We may even be the ones using it some day!)

I know you have family in construction, so you know it better than I do, but I had an architect friend, so we had plans drawn up (which worked out great, as we made the whole thing handicapped accessible, which we didn’t need until the last year of Mom’s life, but when we needed it, it was really nice to have) and got three estimates, and even back then, they seemed high. (One was a friend, too. And of course, I was trying my best to do this as economically as possible.) During that time I happened to be getting a kitchen floor installed, and happened to mention to the man doing it what our plans were. He said he was a builder, but took on some of these small jobs during the winter, and he wanted to bid on it. His bid came back quite a bit lower, still using quality materials, so I was a little unsure about whether the quality of his work would be good. So I went and looked at some of the local building work he’d done for others, and not only was his work really good, the people sang his praises. So we went with him, and he did an amazing job. (The reason his costs were lower was that he mainly worked with just one other guy. So it took a little longer, but I was glad he did the work, and it saved Mom about $20K. He later built another room onto our house, for us, and again, amazing work.) Lesson for me: It’s good to shop around.

I’ve seem some really nice in-law set ups in other homes. When we were looking at houses to buy (we‘re still in our first), we did look at some with in-law set ups already, but Mom wasn’t ready for that step at that point, so we let it go. I think it was probably more difficult to go through the building process than it would’ve been to just move into a house with [a nice] one already there [one we viewed was a mess and I wouldn’t have wanted that for Mom or for us]. But it worked out in the end. From where we live it was easy for Mom to drive to stores and to church without a lot of difficulty or getting lost. Our house probably became a little small for us, but we stayed because of the in-law. I have recommended to people I know who could benefit from such an arrangement to consider selling one house and doing the same - building on to the other (one in particular I’m thinking of has the perfect set up with a lot of land and an easy style that would look great with an addition, etc.). I would also suggest in that case that they should probably see a lawyer first if there will be issues about ownership in that case, such as a young family selling their house or whatever. It can get tricky when others are involved who may hold resentment or whatever.

Probably too long, but just wanted to throw some of this out there in case there are people thinking about this seriously. Oh, and I forgot to say, I looked at every option for Mom besides building an in-law apt. A condo near us would’ve been nice, but she couldn’t afford the bills every month on her limited income. And senior housing wasn’t an option because of the money she had from the sale of her house. She was also fairly young at that time (69) but still working and, as I mentioned before, in a bad situation living by herself in a house that she couldn’t keep up with and nefarious people around her where she was. I imagine there are a lot of people in similar situations today, but costs are even more crazy now than they were then.

It certainly is interesting from a regional and historic perspective. My mom and her 4 siblings grew up on a farm in VERY rural Saskatchewan Canada in the 1920's and 30's.. Their local school only went to 8th grade. So at age 14 or 15 they all were sent off to the big city 100+ miles away to a boarding High School and never moved back home. When the youngest hit high school, my Grandparents sold the farm and moved into the closest town to the farm, in a one bedroom house. No place for the kids to move back.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I was talking about the conversation on this thread (as you put it people just aren't trying hard enough) not about generically thinking about it. Most of the "don't want to" conversation started after a poster brought up about wanting independence and that got people talking about their situations and living with families where that just wasn't going to work including the privacy conversation. A lifestyle choice to move in and stay that way in multi-generational housing by choice (similar to cultures who do this anyhow) brings about different feelings than "I literally can't afford rent or other housing so it's this or nadda".

They are not mutually exclusive.

I also didn’t see differentiation in the OP:

With housing costs crazy and prices rising, do you think we will start to see a trend towards more mult-generation living to share costs? I know in Europe, it is not unusual for kids to live home until they are closer to 30 and many families have grandparents living with them. Do you think that will start to become more of a norm here in the US and Canada? Thoughts?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

They are not mutually exclusive.

I also didn’t see differentiation in the OP:

Again I was talking about the conversation throughout the thread like I said. Not really interested, enjoy your day

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Nor am I. You too