They know where you are.......

[Lisa loves Pooh]

No. Your cell phone company's records are being examined.

I get his point--but I don't get his paranoia.

I would guess it is the equivilant of demanding library records to determine the books you checked out.

In the end it wouldn't all pass muster in a court case.

Heck--Casey Anthony charged with murdering her child--they had to obtain a warrant before they could get her cell phone pings to figure out where she had been. But even then, they could not (at the time) pin point it to a precise location...just to a general area.

I really don't think we have anything to worry about.

Someone earlier mentioned facebook. When one puts themselves out publicly, there is no warrant required for information that one provides FREELY. This is why some teeny boppers are learning the hard way when they posted so much about their lives on line--that it will (quite legally) affect their hiring capabilities.

In fact--the police without warrant can google your name and find out stuff about you if needed. They may need a warrant to get your physical computer. They do not need a warrant for what is freely available to the public.

 

[FireDancer]

Wrong on SO many counts. To begin, the first slaves were brought from Africa (and traded for food!) in 1619.
The Constitution was ratified in 1787 and EXTENDED slavery for twenty years - it's not the start of slavery.
You're right on one point - the Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery in 1865.

That's 246 years, not "about 75".

Not to take the side of shrubber, because I am not, but any slave that was in the country before the ratification of the constitution was not a slave in the United States of America. They were a slave in a colony of the British empire. America, as a country, started the day the constitution became ratified (or at best the day the English surrendered). Up until that time there was no USA therefore there were neither American citizens nor American slaves. There were British colonial citizens and British colonial slaves.

So, technically the only years that the United States of America had slavery was from the ratification of the Constitution until the ratification of the 13th Amendment (I think that ended slavery, not the proclamation). Of course this is only semantics and mattered little to the slaves I'm sure, but it is technically correct. There couldn't be slaves in the United States of America before the ratification of the constitution because there was no such thing as the United States of America.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I get his point--but I don't get his paranoia.

I would guess it is the equivilant of demanding library records to determine the books you checked out.

You know, that's a good analogy. I, on the other had, see it as demanding library records to show WHEN you checked out books (where being a non-issue, since 'where' would be the library, and what books not being comparable to where and when your cell phone was used). It indicates when you - or at least your library card - were at the library.

 

[shrubber]

Our country evolves. This country never, ever supported "Basic rights". The Constitution that I love and the declaration of Independance were written while at the very same time it enslaved 1/2 it's population.
One of these wars, was written for the express purpose to keep 1/2 of it's citizens enslaved.

You can't use 150 year old measuring stick to guide the country today. I'm just not buying that having a cell phone means unlawful search and invasion of privacy. Sorry I just don't see it as a big step toward some mythological "big brother is watching me" or some one is shadowing my every move situation

We have always had a hard time living up to "land of the Free"

Eliza, this is what I was pointing out was so incredibly wrong in the post and I think you know that.

 

[sunnyday123]

I personally would love to be tracked via by cellphone for two reasons:

1) I've lost the darn thing again. Could some hunky FBI agent show me where it is?

2) I get lost alarmingly often. Again, if that same hunky FBI agent could recover me, I'd be grateful.


Really, I highly doubt the government has so little else going on, that they sit around and randomly track people on their cellphones. Or sell their identies via the fingerprint-entrance machines at Disney.

Searching for my location, without a warrant, is UNREASONABLE. It violates the 4th admendment.