There's only 9 left...

[SandrA9810]

9 hand artists left at disney... that's all. You know how horrible Mickey looks in CGI?? It's ridiculous, and the only reason why there are even 9 left is because they draw the cells that they sell in the animation place at MGM. They come out with 2 a year.
Brother Bear was the last hand drawn movie... and even then they still used computers. I'll boycott disney movies if I never get to see them in hand animation again.
And as far as the cartoons, those are all drawn over seas.

 

[peter11435]

9 hand artists left at disney... that's all. You know how horrible Mickey looks in CGI?? It's ridiculous, and the only reason why there are even 9 left is because they draw the cells that they sell in the animation place at MGM. They come out with 2 a year.
Brother Bear was the last hand drawn movie... and even then they still used computers. I'll boycott disney movies if I never get to see them in hand animation again.
And as far as the cartoons, those are all drawn over seas.

Home on the Range was actually Disney's last "hand" drawn film.

 

[tjkraz]

9 hand artists left at disney... that's all.

Do you have a credible source for this info? It wouldn't surprise me since much of the animation is farmed out to firms that aren't actually owned by Disney. But I'm still curious to hear where this number was obtained.

Last I heard Disney was aggressively recruiting animators at SIGGRAPH.

And as far as the cartoons, those are all drawn over seas.

What is relevance of the location where the product is created? We're still talking about human beings putting pencil and brush to paper to create the finished product. Why does it matter if those human beings are sitting in the US, Austrailia or Taiwan?

 

[Above_the_Rim]

9 hand artists left at disney... that's all. You know how horrible Mickey looks in CGI?? It's ridiculous, and the only reason why there are even 9 left is because they draw the cells that they sell in the animation place at MGM. They come out with 2 a year.
Brother Bear was the last hand drawn movie... and even then they still used computers. I'll boycott disney movies if I never get to see them in hand animation again.
And as far as the cartoons, those are all drawn over seas.

Some of the facts you said were wrong, but I agree about the Mickey Mouse thing. Before when they changed the design it was to give him more emotion and feeling, this time it isnt a design change it's just a medium change and it really doesn't add anything at all, I dont think he's a character suited or ever meant for CG. I thought the characters in that Christmas movie looked terrible

 

[DVCconvert]

We're still talking about human beings putting pencil and brush to paper to create the finished product.

perhaps you meant 'pen and ink' ?

 

[SandrA9810]

It was from one of the animators himself at MGM... there's only 9 people left at disney that know how to do cell paintings. And that's just not drawing, that's something that takes years of practice to master.
And every country has it own characteristics of drawing. I mean look at Kim Possible, you can tell that wasn't done hear. And I got nothin against Anime, they do a damn good job of it to. But it's just different from the way cartoons are drawn here. And what's wrong with adding a few more jobs to America... you guys act like every one here has a job. But not all of us do.

Drawing is a talent, and where are all the people in america supposed to work if all the hand drawing cartoons are over seas, and all they want to do here is use CG??

 

[DancingBear]

Cell painters are not the ones who draw the characters. It's a job which has gone the way of linotype operators and horse-drawn fruit vendors. There are certainly issues with the state of Disney animation these days, but it's not the number of cell painters.

 

[SandrA9810]

I know there are more than just cell animators... but what happened to all the people that did the animation for disney??
I'm sure it takes more than just a small handful of people to make a hand animated movie. Stupid computers...

 

[tjkraz]

Stupid computers...

I'm assuming you're now just railing against technology in general.

You do understand that computers are just the TOOLS of the animators, right? Computers have replaced pencils, brushes and ink, but Buzz Lightyear doesn't just magically appear on the screen after a few keystrokes by a computer science major. It still takes very talented teams of animators to make those images appear.

Computer generated animation is what appeals to the general public right now. It's not just Disney. You've got Dreamworks Animation, Fox, Universal...everyone is trying to get their foot into computer generated animation. None are interested in hand-drawn projects.

Only time will tell if that trend will eventually reserve itself. But right now, there's too much financial risk in putting resources behind an expensive hand-drawn film.

 

[YoHo]

Uh, Disney hasn't done a fully hand drawn movie since the 80s. Aladdin and I think BatB both were odne largly on computer.

 

[Above_the_Rim]

I'm assuming you're now just railing against technology in general.

You do understand that computers are just the TOOLS of the animators, right? Computers have replaced pencils, brushes and ink, but Buzz Lightyear doesn't just magically appear on the screen after a few keystrokes by a computer science major. It still takes very talented teams of animators to make those images appear.

Computer generated animation is what appeals to the general public right now. It's not just Disney. You've got Dreamworks Animation, Fox, Universal...everyone is trying to get their foot into computer generated animation. None are interested in hand-drawn projects.

Only time will tell if that trend will eventually reserve itself. But right now, there's too much financial risk in putting resources behind an expensive hand-drawn film.

First I'm going to get to Yoho's comment, those movies weren't largely done on computers, abbout 90% was done on paper. TJkraz, computer animation doesn't use brushes and ink, and it only uses pencils for storyboarding, nothing you see on the screen is pencil. I've seen computer animators admit they could never draw, usually to animate the characters they move parts of their own face and the character corresponds (Pixar), or they move different reference points on the character to create movement (Dreamworks.) And Universal not interested in hand drawn animation!? Who's releasing curious george! There are even rumors of Pixar making hand-drawn films (but just rumors as of now.) And hand-drawn films can be expensive, but so can CG movies. and your'e saying CGI movies are what appeal to the american public right now (cough cough VALIANT cough cough), does this mean Corpse Bride and Wallace and Gromit are going ot bomb at the box office because they are animated films which are not CGI?

 

[tjkraz]

And Universal not interested in hand drawn animation!? Who's releasing curious george!

Point taken. But out of curiousity, what is the ratio of big-budget hand-drawn films to CGI in the last couple of years?

There are even rumors of Pixar making hand-drawn films (but just rumors as of now.)

Then why mention it?

And hand-drawn films can be expensive, but so can CG movies. and your'e saying CGI movies are what appeal to the american public right now (cough cough VALIANT cough cough)...

I didn't say people were flocking to the theaters regardless of quality. But it seems the BO of recent films like Finding Nemo, Shrek 2, The Incredibles and Madagascar speaks for itself.

...does this mean Corpse Bride and Wallace and Gromit are going ot bomb at the box office because they are animated films which are not CGI?

Where did I say that?

 

[Above_the_Rim]

It was from one of the animators himself at MGM... there's only 9 people left at disney that know how to do cell paintings. And that's just not drawing, that's something that takes years of practice to master.
And every country has it own characteristics of drawing. I mean look at Kim Possible, you can tell that wasn't done hear. And I got nothin against Anime, they do a damn good job of it to. But it's just different from the way cartoons are drawn here. And what's wrong with adding a few more jobs to America... you guys act like every one here has a job. But not all of us do.

Drawing is a talent, and where are all the people in america supposed to work if all the hand drawing cartoons are over seas, and all they want to do here is use CG??

I dont think you have to worry about it, this has happened a lot of times to hand drawn animation before. For some reason, Nickeldeon survived this current dark age of hand drawn animation, they have a lot of succesful hand drawn shows on the air. The thing I like about Nickelodeon is that right before and after their commerical breaks they sometimes have these in studio things where an animator says how to draw a character (pencil and paper), the thing I like about it is that they're pretty much making a statement "we have no doubt or shame in our hand drawn animation and it's all coming right from our studio right here in America." Another big thing is there are still a lot of schools in the USA that teach traditional animation (even CALarts,) assuring that their will be a new wave of hand drawn animators in the future. What I would say is if you're interested in traditional animation don't just look at joining a studio and having a job, actually look at making a new studio. If there's no where else out there that's good enough for you then the best thing you can always do is just get up and do it yourself. New studios have always came out at the end of animations different dark ages (Hanna Barbera, Klasky-Csupo, etc.)