The walking dead amc #2

[anniemae]

Does anyone remember when the Kingdom fed he pigs walkers? how cone the Saviors never
got sick?

My guess is because they cooked it first.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I still think as far as getting infected from rubbing guts on you is still somewhat consistent. Let's take a real life event, if you scratch yourself on a rusty nail you'll be fine, but if you step on that same rusty nail and get a deep puncture wound and you don't have an updated tetanus shot you may find yourself in a whole world of trouble. So this is the same premise, if guts get into a scratch or even a cut, you should be okay, but if you get hurt by way of a puncture wound, getting guts in that puncture wound you are in a whole world of trouble.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I still think as far as getting infected from rubbing guts on you is still somewhat consistent.

How do you explain these three events, then... and these are just things that popped into our heads... I'm sure there are more if you scour the series...

Something just popped in my head re: the issue of whether a puncture wound with walker guts is deadly but smearing guts over an open cut isn't...

Back in the prison, wasn't Rick hacking away at walkers before using the same weapon to amputate Herschel's leg? If that's right, why didn't Herschel die?

I know this is no Sixth Sense, but I do wonder if someone went back through the series if this new plot device would hold water at all.

Or would they use the "get out of stupid free card" that SOME people must just be immune, and so then Herschel must have been?

How about Shane in season two when Rick was going to leave him in the school bus and he used the trick of slicing his hand open to stab the walkers in the head? Didn't he just get done stabbing other than walkers with that same knife? I'm pretty sure he didn't have a portable autoclave in his pocket.

Yes! And my son just mentioned remembering a time when Rick stabbed a walker through his own hand. I don’t recall it, but how would Rick not die from that, if they were being consistent?

I’m sure that if we wait a bit, someone out there will make a comprehensive list of all the times in 7.5 seasons that contradict this new plot device.

This is a late addition plot device -- I'm sure it's not consistent with seasons 1-8.5. Unless we're to believe that each of the characters involved in these past events were immune.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

How do you explain these three events, then... and these are just things that popped into our heads... I'm sure there are more if you scour the series...

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This is a late addition plot device -- I'm sure it's not consistent with seasons 1-8.5. Unless we're to believe that each of the characters involved in these past events were immune.

True, but I think in general they have stuck to it. As far as Rick's deep wound there are theories out there that Rick is immune and in fact died in the hospital, but came back to life as a normal human as opposed to a zombie, so if that turns out to be true, than any of his prior wounds wouldn't matter. I mean, Rick also bit the throat of that guy out, he had to swallow some of that guy"s blood and yet Rick was okay, also that group beat the hell out of Rick, we thought he was going to die, in fact Carl thought he did die, but then just popped up and was awake. Of course if Rick is not immune none of this makes sense lol.

I don't know, I try to throw out any rational thought when I watch this, since it is a show about zombies, but I agree there are some things that are just so stupid it is insulting to the audience.

 

[Jennasis]

 

[mckennarose]

Does anyone remember when the Kingdom fed he pigs walkers? how cone the Saviors never
got sick?

Here's another one.....what about the Terminus cannibals who literally ate tainted meat?
I think the writers play the zombie infection card when it suits them and ignore it when they don't need it.

How do you explain these three events, then... and these are just things that popped into our heads... I'm sure there are more if you scour the series...

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This is a late addition plot device -- I'm sure it's not consistent with seasons 1-8.5. Unless we're to believe that each of the characters involved in these past events were immune.

I found this on YouTube re: season 6 episode 3 when Rick gets his hand cut by a knife that is sticking out of a zombies head. Not sure if this is what your son remembers?
*having trouble linking, search this on YouTube "
How did Rick Cut His Hand? Spoilers The Walking Dead Season 6 episode 3
"

And some interesting tidbits from walking dead wikia:
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies

"Just to get this on record once and for all... and it is complicated, I know... here's how zombification works. Whatever makes people come back as zombies after they die--it's inside them. It's inside everyone. No matter how anybody dies, as long as the brain is intact... they turn into a zombie. Well... bites, and direct to blood contact with zombie gunk, [...] causes death. It's a strong infection that leads to fever that kills someone. Then the "virus" or whatever is already in them... turns them into a zombie."
—Robert Kirkman[src]

"
Television Universe
It is unclear in the TV-series whether or not the rule of infection above from the comic series is applicable. Sasha accidentally cut Abraham's arm with her zombie-blood soaked knife, yet he survived, indicating that the rules in the television series are different to a degree. This was referenced earlier in the Season 2 episode "18 Miles Out", where Shane cuts his own hand with a knife that was previously used to kill a walker, and later wipes his cut hand on a place which a walker has licked.

However, in Season 8, due to a shortage of bullets, Negan orders his men to dunk their weapons in walker guts to use to infect any living survivor with one slash (very similar to the comics) and the Saviors are successfully able to infect numerous residents of the Hilltop colony by injuring them with their coated weapons. It is possible that more direct injuries to living survivors such as deep penetration wounds and larger quantities of walker tissue entering the bloodstream are able to cause living survivors to die and turn."


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The rule is WHATEVER it is that causes the zombies, is something everyone already has. If you stub your toe, get an infection and die, you turn into a zombie, UNLESS your brain is damaged. If someone shoots you in the head and you die, you're dead. A zombie bite kills you because of infection, or blood loss, not because of the zombie "virus." Robert Kirkman"

• "It is possible that the blood of a zombie being consumed directly or indirectly does not affect a human in any way. This is shown several times throughout the series.
  • In the season 5 finale of the show, Rick has to push his hands through a walker's throat, causing it to bleed out all over Rick's face. If one looks closely, one can see Rick appearing to swallow/consume the blood.
  • Another instance is in season 6, episode 3, when Rick comes across two walkers, one of which has a knife stuck in the shoulder. He takes that same knife and accidentally cuts himself with it with the walker's blood visible on it. To this day, Rick hasn't shown any signs of an infection.
  • More evidence comes from Fear The Walking Dead. During the midseason premiere of season 2, Nick watches from an abandoned bus as two dogs that recently attacked him get devoured by a swarm of walkers. After the herd slowly moves on, a very hungry and thirsty Nick crawls up to the dogs' mangled corpses and takes a chunk of the meat and proceeds to bite it. He never actually swallows it but the fact that the walkers were chewing on the flesh of the dogs and Nick not getting infected may indicate that consumption has no effect."

Clear as mud!

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Here's another one.....what about the Terminus cannibals who literally ate tainted meat?
I think the writers play the zombie infection card when it suits them and ignore it when they don't need it.



I found this on YouTube re: season 6 episode 3 when Rick gets his hand cut by a knife that is sticking out of a zombies head. Not sure if this is what your son remembers?
*having trouble linking, search this on YouTube "
How did Rick Cut His Hand? Spoilers The Walking Dead Season 6 episode 3
"

And some interesting tidbits from walking dead wikia:
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies

"Just to get this on record once and for all... and it is complicated, I know... here's how zombification works. Whatever makes people come back as zombies after they die--it's inside them. It's inside everyone. No matter how anybody dies, as long as the brain is intact... they turn into a zombie. Well... bites, and direct to blood contact with zombie gunk, [...] causes death. It's a strong infection that leads to fever that kills someone. Then the "virus" or whatever is already in them... turns them into a zombie."
—Robert Kirkman[src]

"
Television Universe
It is unclear in the TV-series whether or not the rule of infection above from the comic series is applicable. Sasha accidentally cut Abraham's arm with her zombie-blood soaked knife, yet he survived, indicating that the rules in the television series are different to a degree. This was referenced earlier in the Season 2 episode "18 Miles Out", where Shane cuts his own hand with a knife that was previously used to kill a walker, and later wipes his cut hand on a place which a walker has licked.

However, in Season 8, due to a shortage of bullets, Negan orders his men to dunk their weapons in walker guts to use to infect any living survivor with one slash (very similar to the comics) and the Saviors are successfully able to infect numerous residents of the Hilltop colony by injuring them with their coated weapons. It is possible that more direct injuries to living survivors such as deep penetration wounds and larger quantities of walker tissue entering the bloodstream are able to cause living survivors to die and turn."


"
The rule is WHATEVER it is that causes the zombies, is something everyone already has. If you stub your toe, get an infection and die, you turn into a zombie, UNLESS your brain is damaged. If someone shoots you in the head and you die, you're dead. A zombie bite kills you because of infection, or blood loss, not because of the zombie "virus." Robert Kirkman"

• "It is possible that the blood of a zombie being consumed directly or indirectly does not affect a human in any way. This is shown several times throughout the series.
  • In the season 5 finale of the show, Rick has to push his hands through a walker's throat, causing it to bleed out all over Rick's face. If one looks closely, one can see Rick appearing to swallow/consume the blood.
  • Another instance is in season 6, episode 3, when Rick comes across two walkers, one of which has a knife stuck in the shoulder. He takes that same knife and accidentally cuts himself with it with the walker's blood visible on it. To this day, Rick hasn't shown any signs of an infection.
  • More evidence comes from Fear The Walking Dead. During the midseason premiere of season 2, Nick watches from an abandoned bus as two dogs that recently attacked him get devoured by a swarm of walkers. After the herd slowly moves on, a very hungry and thirsty Nick crawls up to the dogs' mangled corpses and takes a chunk of the meat and proceeds to bite it. He never actually swallows it but the fact that the walkers were chewing on the flesh of the dogs and Nick not getting infected may indicate that consumption has no effect."

Clear as mud!

I totally get that what turns someone into a zombie is already in everyone — so dying for any reason someone turns.

But the thing that causes the fever that leads to death is where they are ALL OVER THE PLACE now.

We’ve already thought of multiple places where an equivalent thing happened to a character that happened to half of Hilltop and they were fine.

It’s like they did it so that Gimple could film a night of the living dead episode.

Part of me would prefer if they pulled a Dallas. Rick wakes up at the beginning of season 9 (post-Gimple-showrunner) and all of Season 8 was a dream. A horribly written and comically executed dream.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Exactly! My version is usually either: Magic pixie dust or aliens did it.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

Maybe the zombie virus is like the shingles virus lol. For those of us who had chicken pox the shingles virus lies dormant within us. For some of us we will get shingles, for others they never will. No rhyme or reason why for some it remains dormant and for others it doesn't. How about Lyme. There are people who are bit by ticks with Lyme but don't develop it. Why? Well a lot depends on how long the tick was in you, how much exposure you had to it. There are things out there where there is no rhyme or reason to why you will get something and someone with the same exposure may not. Okay, I am going out on a limb here with this, but I guess I'm grasping at straws to still like this show. It really sucks that I used to sit on the edge of my seat watching it and now I sit fully back.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Maybe the zombie virus is like the shingles virus lol. For those of us who had chicken pox the shingles virus lies dormant within us. For some of us we will get shingles, for others they never will. No rhyme or reason why for some it remains dormant and for others it doesn't. How about Lyme. There are people who are bit by ticks with Lyme but don't develop it. Why? Well a lot depends on how long the tick was in you, how much exposure you had to it. There are things out there where there is no rhyme or reason to why you will get something and someone with the same exposure may not. Okay, I am going out on a limb here with this, but I guess I'm grasping at straws to still like this show. It really sucks that I used to sit on the edge of my seat watching it and now I sit fully back.

Ok. Weird that it killed ALL those people at hilltop... and NONE of our heroes for 7.5 seasons... ...

Yeah — same here on this: “It really sucks that I used to sit on the edge of my seat watching it and now I sit fully back.”

 

[DisneyLover1217]

Another thing I wanted to bring up and just remembered. What does everyone thing of them showing the time when Henry woke up, when Tobin died, when Tobin started attacking, etc. Do you think the times mean anything like relate to bible passages or something or do you think they were just showing us the time. Since we never know how much time has passed with this show, I found it odd they focused on the time.

 

[chelynnah]

How do you explain these three events, then... and these are just things that popped into our heads... I'm sure there are more if you scour the series...

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This is a late addition plot device -- I'm sure it's not consistent with seasons 1-8.5. Unless we're to believe that each of the characters involved in these past events were immune.

But it is consistent with the original comics. This isn’t just a case of the writers and ahiwrunner going off book.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I'm not sure where to begin. I do know I'm so mad at Rick and Morgan for killing those saviors after Rick gave his word and after one of them saved Rick's life. I just don't' get it. The only savior that needed to be killed was Jared, no one else. I do think they did this to set up Rick to finally read Carl's letter and to ultimately spare Negan (cut to that scene we have seen a couple of times already of Rick, "my mercy prevailed over my wrath" or whatever he said).

Okay, onto Jadis and Negan, I actually enjoyed the exchange between them, showing both of their human side. I also like the mystery that I hope turns out to be good mystery and not something stupid, referring to the nice pad Jadis has and is obviously attached to the helicopter people. I'm surprised though Negan didn't press Jadis for more info. I mean seeing a helicopter is pretty big, but I guess he has bigger fish to fry, namely Simon. Who do you guys think Negan picked up on his way back to the Sanctuary?

 

[mckennarose]

I think Negan picked up the woman savior who knows Dwight is a traitor. She's the only savior that would be significant to mention in the show who could impact the immediate future.....meaning Dwight is in big trouble.

We have company so I wasn't able to watch too closely tonight.

 

[crazee4mickey]

I just about jumped out of my skin when Rick got knocked over! Holy geez, that made me jump!

I like @mckennarose's theory but also thought maybe Negan picked up Enid off the side of the road....
From the beginning she was always sneaking out of Alexandria with us never knowing why she was regularly climbing the fence or where she was going.
Always thought she was feeding info to the Saviors.
Carl gets captured by Negan and Negan treats him like he is a son and like he is going to be Negan's future predecessor and not the "bargaining chip" you would normally think when you capture your nemesis son.

Negan had an odd attachment to Carl, which I think was all because of Enid.

 

[anniemae]

Why does everyone think Jadis knows the helicopter people? I had seen it written in another forum. She was trying to signal them, but that does not mean she is connected to them. She was trying to be rescued. Am I missing something?

I hated the Rick killed them all, only Jared needed to be killed. He was a bad seed.

Wonder if Rosita and Daryll will kill Eugene

I don't know who Negan picked up, but the woman who knows Dwight is with Ricks group is a good guess. I am very scared for Dwight. In next weeks previews, it looks like Negan knows Dwight is a traitor.

 

[jevs]

I read a theory that Negan might have picked Gregory up, he wasn’t with the escaped group. I knew Rick would kill all of the escaped group, he’s now worse than Negan.

 

[nkereina]

Why does everyone think Jadis knows the helicopter people? I had seen it written in another forum. She was trying to signal them, but that does not mean she is connected to them. She was trying to be rescued. Am I missing something?

A few episodes back in the scene where Simon & Co. came to the junkyard (and subsequently killed all the Scavengers), he asks Jadis what the deal is with the helipad and the solar panels. I don't think Jadis ever really answers him, but then we later see her digging out a box a food and eating it. So I think we are to surmise that the place the Scavengers were living at was something important at one point and with the helipad, Jadis may be connected to that helicopter.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

I think Negan picked up the woman savior who knows Dwight is a traitor. She's the only savior that would be significant to mention in the show who could impact the immediate future.....meaning Dwight is in big trouble.

We have company so I wasn't able to watch too closely tonight.

Good guess, that would make sense as Negan seemed to have a bone to pick with more than just Simon when he gets back to the Sanctuary.

Why does everyone think Jadis knows the helicopter people? I had seen it written in another forum. She was trying to signal them, but that does not mean she is connected to them. She was trying to be rescued. Am I missing something?
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I think she knows the helicopter people because she kept looking at her watch like she knew when they would be there and when she had the flare she said wait I'm here, I'm here.

How did Aaron and Enid get separated? I see Enid is back at Hilltop but Aaron is not, weren't they together?

 

[DisneyLover1217]

Also I wanted to point out I thought it was great Carol got to save Henry (even though I hate Henry, lol) I don't know if that was the same spot Rick left Sofia, where she ultimately died, but definitely looked the same. So was nice to see Carol could save a child, when she couldn't save her own. Hopefully this will be something that will help her move forward.