The walking dead amc #2

[Belle0101]

I thought the episode was a bit slow too, and not really sure what it contributed to the show in general, except for the last scene. In the past with slow episodes like this it came into play later though so I guess we'll see.

On a side note, since this thread has morphed into a lot of discussion of the comics, which it hadn't before, I'm going to start a new thread for those who don't want to bring speculation into it. I know they are not following the comics to a T, but they do use use characters and what not here and there and I'd rather not know any of that. Why the dramatic shift in this thread lately, I'm not sure but I know I do not prefer the change.

I enjoy talking about the episodes and speculating on where things may lead, but not because I know the comic side of it. I like thinking where things may lead on my own. So, if anyone cares to join me, I'll be starting it at some point.

Thank-you!

I was on another board that had 2 Walking Dead threads going - 1 where it was okay to speculate based on the comics and the other where the moderator asked that if you had read the comics to please not comment on that thread. IMO, it worked out really well.

 

[phorsenuf]

I think the hard part is discerning what could be a spoiler. Me talking about the comics isn't a spoiler because we've seen how far the show can depart from the comics. It's no different than a TV show or movie based on a novel. I personally don't know what's going to happen next in the show anymore than any of you do, but If I ever do come into that knowledge and decide to share it on here, I'll put it in white

But the point that some people seem to be missing is we never know what they will take from the comics and what they won't. So when someone starts talking about a particular character or scene that starts to reveal itself on the show, and then people start discussing about how it was in the comics, then (to me at least) I see that as a spoiler since they could go that route.

Take for instance when we were discussing the W's from a couple weeks back. Nobody knows what, if anything, that means so we were coming up with theories. Then you mentioned some group called The Whisperers (?) from the comics. Well, I don't know who they are since I don't read the comics so now I have knowledge about some nefarious group that could be revealed in an upcoming episode. Or this guy they introduced this week. I don't know if he's in the comics or not, and if he is, I'd prefer not to know anything beforehand about him.

Anyway, that's all I was trying to convey about why I prefer not to know anything about the comics. And like I mentioned upthread, we never seemed to have discussed them ahead of time. After things were revealed, but certainly not before, and if they were, it was hidden.

 

[nkereina]

But the point that some people seem to be missing is we never know what they will take from the comics and what they won't. So when someone starts talking about a particular character or scene that starts to reveal itself on the show, and then people start discussing about how it was in the comics, then (to me at least) I see that as a spoiler since they could go that route.

I got your point a while back, I know what you're saying. My point is that speculating whether something COULD or COULD NOT happen is not a spoiler. You even said yourself you never know what they will take from the comics and what they won't. What we've been discussing in the comics may or may not happen, and if it does, I suspect the route they'll take with it will be different anyhow. The TV show has already vastly differed from the comics in both characters, scenarios, locations, etc. It's really no different than if you watch an episode and perceive it one way and then come on here and read other perspectives of it - it opens up a whole new line of thinking. Yet none of us really know the future of the show.

If people don't want to know what has happened in the comics, perhaps a thread discussing a TV show based on a comic series isn't a great place to be in general. I do think having a seperate thread for people who want to shield their eyes from comic info is a good idea.

 

[anniemae]

Yeah, I think what was agreed upon was no spoilers. There are people who go on spoiler sites and entire web sites dedicated to spoiling the show. I once read an entire script word for word two days before the show aired. It was so accurate it was scary. I knew when and how Merle was going to die and many other things as well. I stopped going to those sites because they were too, well, spoiler-ish. So none of that stuff should be posted here, but as many have said, it IS a show based on comic books, so I think it's natural to discuss/speculate about the comics too. A separate thread is probably best.

 

[Jennasis]

Just start your post with a big warning that it has comic references in it. Crisis averted.

 

[phorsenuf]

Just start your post with a big warning that it has comic references in it. Crisis averted.

That was how it was done in the past and it worked fine (I think the font was in white actually but I don't know how that would translate with the new boards), but for some reason that was stopped. It would be nice if it could just go go back to how it was is all. There were never any issues before. Besides, I'd be missing you guys. We've been together for a few seasons now.

 

[wdwmom2]

That was how it was done in the past and it worked fine (I think the font was in white actually but I don't know how that would translate with the new boards), but for some reason that was stopped. It would be nice if it could just go go back to how it was is all. There were never any issues before. Besides, I'd be missing you guys. We've been together for a few seasons now.

That was how it has been done. Unfortunately, if someone quotes the white spoilers, they show up in the quote!

 

[nkereina]

That was how it was done in the past and it worked fine (I think the font was in white actually but I don't know how that would translate with the new boards), but for some reason that was stopped. It would be nice if it could just go go back to how it was is all. There were never any issues before. Besides, I'd be missing you guys. We've been together for a few seasons now.

Some of us who have come in late to the thread, myself included, wouldn't know this. The main post does not list rules like some other threads do. I will denote "comic reference" when I make such references going forward.

 

[pat fan]

Ok, WHY is Aaron being a jerk and not just telling them where the place is? What difference does it make who's driving???? He's asking for trouble and making it more difficult!

 

[tarheel618]

My thought is why isn't Rick hiding more than just one gun???? Prior experience should tell him to be prepared. Also, I get that the whole group is tired but why is Rick the only one who isn't trusting Aaron? Come on people your track history of running into good people isn't that great.

 

[anniemae]

I was surprised at how willing everyone was to go with Aaron as well. Ummmmm do you not remember Terminus??? Woodbury???

 

[nugov2]

I was surprised at how willing everyone was to go with Aaron as well. Ummmmm do you not remember Terminus??? Woodbury???

I think everyone is just really tired. I mean they have been on the run for how long and besides some stragglers have only come across one truly friendly group(Hershel and family). I can see why they are reluctant to trust people, but I also think what did they have to gain by trying to convince them to come. They could have easily attacked them at any point. At Terminus it was their scam. Trick stragglers into following the signs and coming somewhere and then eat them. Woodbury was I think mostly a safe place it was just the Governor and a few of his henchmen who were bad. I just think they want to rest and this guy and his friend seem genuine, his story seems plausible and they feel like if you can't trust in anyone in the world anymore...what else is left. Plus I think they just want it to be true so bad that it leaves them with no choice but to believe.

 

[nkereina]

I agree - I think the execution of their arrival to Alexandria was a bit anti-climactic. I expected more resistance, more pause to discuss, etc. I think Aaron not telling them where the camp is was just him exercising his own caution, but I do agree that that seemed in contrast to his whole purpose (getting the group to come back with him).

 

[Ginny Favers]

Ugh this was just another really stupid and boring episode. I wanted to simultaneously smack Rick and give him a razor.

And I don't know-- I like shows that have diverse characters interacting with one another, but for some reason I feel like TWD is constantly trying too hard to point out how diverse and inclusive it can be-- it just doesn't feel natural. More and more, it's like a "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" thing-- I see the machinations of a bunch of producers and directors going, "How can we be different?" and "how can we pull on the heartstrings?" and "how can we ensure the zombie kills stay interesting?" instead of just having things evolve organically.

I used to be so excited for Sundays, and now I don't even care.

 

[nkereina]

I like shows that have diverse characters interacting with one another, but for some reason I feel like TWD is constantly trying too hard to point out how diverse and inclusive it can be

Are you referring to the new gay characters? If so, they're from the comic. As are several of the other characters. So it's actually the comics driving the diversity, as opposed to the TV show writers and producers.

As for keeping zombie kills intereting, I do agree it seems to be getting harder. It's one thing to read it in print, but to see it time after time and season after season, it's boring. I do wonder what scenarios they'll face because right now they're on a cycle - hope in Woodbury, ends badly, hope in Terminus, ends badly, hope in the Church, ends badly. Now we're at hope in Alexandria. I know how it goes in the comics but who knows if they'll follow suit on the show. I just wonder what other storylines they can do. And I have the same question for the spin-off they've announced as well.

 

[Ginny Favers]

Are you referring to the new gay characters? If so, they're from the comic. As are several of the other characters. So it's actually the comics driving the diversity, as opposed to the TV show writers and producers.

As for keeping zombie kills intereting, I do agree it seems to be getting harder. It's one thing to read it in print, but to see it time after time and season after season, it's boring. I do wonder what scenarios they'll face because right now they're on a cycle - hope in Woodbury, ends badly, hope in Terminus, ends badly, hope in the Church, ends badly. Now we're at hope in Alexandria. I know how it goes in the comics but who knows if they'll follow suit on the show. I just wonder what other storylines they can do. And I have the same question for the spin-off they've announced as well.

Yes I know this is from the comics. I think Robert Kirkman started the problem of "how can we be different?" with the comic series. But now the producers of the show are like, "yes, diversity good" and it doesn't translate as well to the television series because it comes off like they're casting for "Survivor" and making an overt attempt to pander to everyone.

And yeah, it is going in circles, but I guess that's the way all series have to progress. They're getting more and more hopeless every time they lose a place, so I do see it as a downward spiral. I don't see anything happening to change that until, hopefully, when they announce the series is going to end. I really want it to be a happy ending. But there is no end in sight right now, not as long as it keeps being the #1 show on TV. That won't last, though, if it keeps going in circles. So that means the show will drag on for a few seasons rehashing the same things but with new characters, and then finally the ratings will slip and they will put an end to it. LOST, anyone?

 

[nkereina]

I don't see anything happening to change that until, hopefully, when they announce the series is going to end

I've heard they have it scheduled out for another three seasons and they know exactly how it's going to end. In the interim, they are writing backwards to fill in the gaps between now and their supposed ending. So I guess we'll see!

I do worry about the spin-off being same story, just different people. There's only so many ways you can go in a will-to-survive type of storyline.

 

[Ginny Favers]

I've heard they have it scheduled out for another three seasons and they know exactly how it's going to end. In the interim, they are writing backwards to fill in the gaps between now and their supposed ending. So I guess we'll see!

I do worry about the spin-off being same story, just different people. There's only so many ways you can go in a will-to-survive type of storyline.

I hope they know how it's going to end! Because if they don't and are just going to have some dude pull a cure out of his boot at the end of the last episode, or they all just die, I'll cry. I really like it when it's thoughtful and they scatter clues through earlier episodes-- I can only hope they're doing that.

And yeah, not sure I'll watch the spin-off. Although I do kind of miss the days when the zombie fear was all new to Rick and the others and they were more scared. Now that they're all hardened warriors, it's lost some of that appeal.

 

[nkereina]

I agree!!! I do think it will be interesting to watch them "re-build" and get away from the survive mentality we've seen recently. Even with Woodbury, not all of them were on board with it so to see them all living "normally" together would make for some good episodes for a bit. But inevitably something will have to happen or else there's no point!

 

[nugov2]

Yes I know this is from the comics. I think Robert Kirkman started the problem of "how can we be different?" with the comic series. But now the producers of the show are like, "yes, diversity good" and it doesn't translate as well to the television series because it comes off like they're casting for "Survivor" and making an overt attempt to pander to everyone.

And yeah, it is going in circles, but I guess that's the way all series have to progress. They're getting more and more hopeless every time they lose a place, so I do see it as a downward spiral. I don't see anything happening to change that until, hopefully, when they announce the series is going to end. I really want it to be a happy ending. But there is no end in sight right now, not as long as it keeps being the #1 show on TV. That won't last, though, if it keeps going in circles. So that means the show will drag on for a few seasons rehashing the same things but with new characters, and then finally the ratings will slip and they will put an end to it. LOST, anyone?

While I agree this season has been a little flat and slightly predictable(Beth's death), I don't feel that vibe that they are forcing difference and diversity. If they flop the way lost did I'll be so shocked and horribly disappointed. I don't think any show can recreate that train wreck. Such a good concept in the beginning and then it ended not even making sense...I still have no idea what the hell the ending meant. Since seeing how amazing Breaking Bad played out, I now have very high standards to what I consider a great series. I am hopeful that some of the slower episodes/seasons like BB experienced are leading to something great and memorable. I am looking forward to them having a home base for a while and seeing how they go from being on the run and surviving to being in a community and surviving. Seeing Rick have a love interest and soften a little would be nice( I hated farmer Rick, but this Rick we have now is too much). I also think if some of the comic storylines come to pass and we get Negan as another villain it will add some excitement and I always like having someone I love to hate. Also can't wait to see how Morgan plays into this.