The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[AquaDame]

Things this thread is: a place to discuss cruising and the vaccine. What it is not: a place to argue about government overreach/what that means to you, and politics in general. I'm going to go back and clean up the comments that are better suited to our community forum (or better yet a forum for arguing politics).

 

[bbel]

About 13 hours ago I had my first shot of AstraZeneca, completely unexpected as going by the NHS/UK gov roll out I should be bottom of the list to get it, but I was at the vaccine centre and some didn't come for their appointment so we had some left over.

Anyway. It got me thinking. At first I was like, yay (selfishly), maybe I'll have priority getting back to work onbaord. (Even tho atm I don't really want to because I'm used to home, but u do because I miss the life and the money haha)

Then I've been thinking: apparently the AZ is less effective than the Pfizer (which is what we usually have at the centre) and moderna (which i don't think we have at all in UK atm)

Anyway. Do you think if cruiselines/ airlines/ countries will require a vaccine they'll be picky about which one?
I doubt the UK would as they're one of their main ones, but for other countries?

 

[gwynne]

About 13 hours ago I had my first shot of AstraZeneca, completely unexpected as going by the NHS/UK gov roll out I should be bottom of the list to get it, but I was at the vaccine centre and some didn't come for their appointment so we had some left over.

Anyway. It got me thinking. At first I was like, yay (selfishly), maybe I'll have priority getting back to work onbaord. (Even tho atm I don't really want to because I'm used to home, but u do because I miss the life and the money haha)

Then I've been thinking: apparently the AZ is less effective than the Pfizer (which is what we usually have at the centre) and moderna (which i don't think we have at all in UK atm)

Anyway. Do you think if cruiselines/ airlines/ countries will require a vaccine they'll be picky about which one?
I doubt the UK would as they're one of their main ones, but for other countries?

No, if you are fully vaccinated you are vaccinated. I can't imagine any situation where cruise lines are going to attempt to "rank" official covid-19 vaccines. It might be some shots require a booster, we will have to see.

Things may evolve in future years. Will we need a yearly shot or shots to stay current?

You are fortunate. It's good you got the shot.

 

[AquaDame]

I agree with @gwynne. At least for the foreseeable future where vaccines are in short supply I would think any approved would "count"*. AstraZeneca hasn't yet been approved by the CDC, but in 2019 the yellowfever vaccine that was "approved" for use in the US was depleted and they instead gave us the one they used in the EU. We had to sign extra paperwork, but we were then good to go.

*I am not a doctor, lawyer, or politician so really my opinion isn't worth the paper its printed on but since you asked...

 

[DCLMP]

Many people are going to have to be given more upside to getting the vaccines in order to have confidence that they should take them.

I'm still highly skeptical that the vaccines will work. I'd like them to work and be safe. but the optimistic person I was a year ago seems to be gone. I hate to be a Debbie downer, but I can't seem to shake this feeling I have that this year is going to be worse. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[jane01jp]

Things this thread is: a place to discuss cruising and the vaccine. What it is not: a place to argue about government overreach/what that means to you, and politics in general. I'm going to go back and clean up the comments that are better suited to our community forum (or better yet a forum for arguing politics).

As long as comments that rel

I'm still highly skeptical that the vaccines will work. I'd like them to work and be safe. but the optimistic person I was a year ago seems to be gone. I hate to be a Debbie downer, but I can't seem to shake this feeling I have that this year is going to be worse. I hope I'm wrong.

I am more OK with taking them than I am for my children taking them. But, I won't unless and until I have to.

As to this year being worse than last year, who knows. I am heading out on a solo road trip from North Carolina to Arizona in the a.m. and hope to have a mask-free Odyssey.

 

[DCLMP]

As long as comments that rel

I am more OK with taking them than I am for my children taking them. But, I won't unless and until I have to.

As to this year being worse than last year, who knows. I am heading out on a solo road trip from North Carolina to Arizona in the a.m. and hope to have a mask-free Odyssey.

That's sound like a fun trip. I'm not necessarily against taking them. I'm just not convinced they are going to work. I feel like every medication or vaccine I take the benefits should out weigh the risks. I'm not going to take something just to take it. I guess we'll find in the next few months if they are the real deal.

 

[jane01jp]

That's sound like a fun trip. I'm not necessarily against taking them. I'm just not convinced they are going to work. I feel like every medication or vaccine I take the benefits should out weigh the risks. I'm not going to take something just to take it. I guess we'll find in the next few months if they are the real deal.

Thanks!

I am scouting out a rental house in Arizona for a year so we can spend a sufficient amount of time there to determine if we want to relocate.

We'll see on the vaccine!

 

[Deadp00l]

I'll just patiently wait (anticipating this fall) for Vaxart to come out with their vaccine. Just mail the room temperature-stable tablet vaccine to me and pop it in my mouth. No line/appointment, no health administrator, no syringe/needle; easy peasy. Hello mucosal immunity!

 

[AquaDame]

As long as comments that rel

I am more OK with taking them than I am for my children taking them. But, I won't unless and until I have to.

As to this year being worse than last year, who knows. I am heading out on a solo road trip from North Carolina to Arizona in the a.m. and hope to have a mask-free Odyssey.

I think your response to me got cut off..?

That's sound like a fun trip. I'm not necessarily against taking them. I'm just not convinced they are going to work. I feel like every medication or vaccine I take the benefits should out weigh the risks. I'm not going to take something just to take it. I guess we'll find in the next few months if they are the real deal.

Especially with the more contagious variants out there... we had our second reported case of the UK variant in Oregon now, from someone who had not been traveling at all, which seems to suggest its wider spread here than we know yet.

I agree with the sentiment of the benefits needing to outweigh the risks, luckily they seem to. Of the people I know who have had the vaccine everyone has had little or no issue. Just sore arms.... I believe most of the people reporting in this thread have said much the same, though also with low grade fever and not feeling great for a day or two, then they are much improved. Without knowing how it would have hit them without the vaccine its hard to know for sure though.

 

[jane01jp]

I think your response to me got cut off..?

I changed my mind and thought I had erased it. Sorry.

 

[Wakey]

We did nearly 500,000 just yesterday in the UK. Over 70% of over 80s have had at least one now. UK is powering ahead really well. There speculation whole adult population will be done by June.

 

[Wakey]

About 13 hours ago I had my first shot of AstraZeneca, completely unexpected as going by the NHS/UK gov roll out I should be bottom of the list to get it, but I was at the vaccine centre and some didn't come for their appointment so we had some left over.

Anyway. It got me thinking. At first I was like, yay (selfishly), maybe I'll have priority getting back to work onbaord. (Even tho atm I don't really want to because I'm used to home, but u do because I miss the life and the money haha)

Then I've been thinking: apparently the AZ is less effective than the Pfizer (which is what we usually have at the centre) and moderna (which i don't think we have at all in UK atm)

Anyway. Do you think if cruiselines/ airlines/ countries will require a vaccine they'll be picky about which one?
I doubt the UK would as they're one of their main ones, but for other countries?

Apparently AZ is up near. 90% with the longer gap between first and second doses so I wouldn’t worry.

 

[DCLMP]

I think your response to me got cut off..?



Especially with the more contagious variants out there... we had our second reported case of the UK variant in Oregon now, from someone who had not been traveling at all, which seems to suggest its wider spread here than we know yet.

I agree with the sentiment of the benefits needing to outweigh the risks, luckily they seem to. Of the people I know who have had the vaccine everyone has had little or no issue. Just sore arms.... I believe most of the people reporting in this thread have said much the same, though also with low grade fever and not feeling great for a day or two, then they are much improved. Without knowing how it would have hit them without the vaccine its hard to know for sure though.

I know several people that have taken the vaccine with hardly any side effects. I would say the risk is low, but still waiting to see if there is any benefit from it. By the time the vaccine is widely available to the public, we should know. If vaccinated people are still contracting Covid that would be disappointing, to say the least.

 

[princessmommyx3]

I know several people that have taken the vaccine with hardly any side effects. I would say the risk is low, but still waiting to see if there is any benefit from it. By the time the vaccine is widely available to the public, we should know. If vaccinated people are still contracting Covid that would be disappointing, to say the least.

My husband has had the Pfizer vaccine with almost no side effects, just a sore arm for about a day. He had his second dose 5 days ago. Regarding vaccinated people still catching Covid, the studies have shown it is unlikely, and when it did happen, it was mild. None of the few study candidates who got it were even hospitalized. So, if we are to “follow the science” as we have been lectured about for the past 9 months, then we shouldn’t worry about that.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

he also said there are 2 new vaccines to be possibly approved in a few weeks. In my town I don’t know anyone who has gotten the vaccine here in the eastern panhandle of WV. My husband was born here (70 years ago) and I’ve been here 30 years. Isn’t it strange that people ask us often if we know where to get the vaccine, but no one we know has been able to get it. yet,the governor of WV continues to brag about WV success. my husband is on 1 waitlist that is over 1000 people long. I’m still too young (65) to even get on the waitlist.

Why West Virginia's Push To Vaccinate Against COVID-19 Is Ahead Of Other States : Shots - Health News : NPR

By comparison, NJ is only getting roughly 50% of its allocated supply into people's arms while WV is at 90%. Whether or not you know the people who are getting vaccines is besides the point. My husband's siblings used that same criteria when coronavirus first arrived in the US last spring. While 3 of my immediate coworkers (in a Phila. hospital) were infected, one had to be hospitalized, and she lost her husband, all of dh's family said they were suspicious of it even being real because they didn't know anyone who had covid, despite living in NJ which was all over the news as a covid hotspot. They felt if they were living in a hotspot, they should at least know someone who had it.

The reality was that it was mostly North Jersey that was the hotspot due to so many residents that commuted to NYC for work. Meanwhile down in more rural South Jersey, it was no where near being a hotspot.

 

[tidefan]

Here's an update on the J&J vaccine. My guess is that a board member wouldn't necessarily be saying they were going "all out" to produce if they didn't think they had good numbers. Speculation is that it would be in the 80-85% effectiveness range.

Johnson & Johnson aims for 100 million doses by Spring

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

Last week WV dropped the age from 80+ to 70+, but they only got 600 doses for our 3 counties with thousands of people waiting. Yesterday they dropped the age to 65+, but they don’t have any vaccines. Suppose to get another 600 tomorrow, but yet,the thousands waiting from the last drop of age are still waiting and the governor just openned a bigger gate of people with a huge backlog of 80+ residents still waiting. I’m on 2 different waitlist here and so is my husband, though he got on sooner. Such chaos here in the eastern panhandle of WV. The saga continues.

This is our every day in NJ. Our state seems to think if they opens up yet another group to be eligible, that more people will be vaccinated. All it really does is create more demand. The problem/bottleneck is at the supply end which they seem to forget. I realize that all states get an allotment and one state can't just say, "Hey I need more than this!" but the fact that we have only used roughly 50% of our supply tells me that the problem is not a lack of demand. NJ has expanded its list of eligibles beyond HCW and long-term care homes to include law efforcement, fire fighters, prisoners and now just added 65+ and those 16-64 who are high risk. Some literature includes hypertension as a risk factor, some don't. NJ has chosen to include smokers as high risk. That puts a healthy 19 year old smoker far ahead of teachers, food industry and infrastructure.

Lately NJ has been highly criticized for making the appointment sytem completely online or on mobile phone. Sure plenty of seniors have cell phones and use email but many don't/can't. My recently-deceased mother would have been just fine with it; she booked cruises, hotels and airfare online. My dad? He is struggling to figure it all out and his crushing grief is not helping. Just being able to dial out is a challenge for him.
Their sign up website had a box you could check off saying, "I live within 15 mins of this location and I can get there on short notice." This would totally apply to him but he probably wouldn't see a text that said, "Reply with Y if you can be here in 15 mins."

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I know several people that have taken the vaccine with hardly any side effects. I would say the risk is low, but still waiting to see if there is any benefit from it. By the time the vaccine is widely available to the public, we should know. If vaccinated people are still contracting Covid that would be disappointing, to say the least.

Do you not believe there is a benefit to having 95% odds of immunity?

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

You realize it wouldn’t work though right? One pocket of the world is missed and back to same thing in time. Plus you would still have people put someone how people will still need medical care, food, police will be needed for compliance so even then it could still spread

Exactly. Food stores and pharmacies are going to close? Police and fire stations? Gas stations? Utility companies?
I work in a hospital. Even with 33" of snow we could not close and I went into work the night before when it was only 18" and slept over. When they declare a state of emergency due to hurricanes, freezing rain, etc that never applies to me.

Shutting the whole world down simultaneously will never happen. These ideas must be coming from the work-at-home crowd.