The skyliner is the worst

[Maistre Gracey]

Ok whatever I just don't see why people keep wanting to debate this. As I said it came up just about every week in the thread on the news and rumors page people seemed to have this idea that people would die in the heat inside of them and that Disney had no idea what they were doing when they didn't put AC in them.

Don’t get me wrong… as I’ve said numerous times it’s not practical, and probably not needed. I’m just saying it’s possible to do it. I don’t really care either way, it’s just the point that it can be done.
We air condition airplanes. A small generator/air cycle machine is all it takes. Nit cheap, not practical. But possible. That’s my only point.

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

Don’t get me wrong… as I’ve said numerous times it’s not practical, and probably not needed. I’m just saying it’s possible to do it. I don’t really care either way, it’s just the point that it can be done.
We air condition airplanes. A small generator/air cycle machine is all it takes. Nit cheap, not practical. But possible. That’s my only point.

Not possible given the size of the cabins, planes use the power from the engines to power everything once they leave the gate. Please stop making comparisons to things that have no relivence to it or not. They aren't going to have AC and they weren't designed for it because it is neither practical or possible to have reliable AC on board them it was tried as a one off experiment in London and hasn't been used anywhere else because it doesn't work. The amount of time that someone is on board it compared to the amount of time that it would take to cool it down after the doors have been open in the station for boarding and disembarking make it completely impractical at all as by the time you get to the next sation the doors would open up and it wouldn't have cooled down at all

I fail to see why you want to argue weither or not it's particul and or possible when both are the case it is neither practical or possible to do given the circumstances.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Not possible given the size of the cabins, planes use the power from the engines to power everything once they leave the gate. Please stop making comparisons to things that have no relivence to it or not. They aren't going to have AC and they weren't designed for it because it is neither practical or possible to have reliable AC on board them it was tried as a one off experiment in London and hasn't been used anywhere else because it doesn't work. The amount of time that someone is on board it compared to the amount of time that it would take to cool it down after the doors have been open in the station for boarding and disembarking make it completely impractical at all as by the time you get to the next sation the doors would open up and it wouldn't have cooled down at all

I fail to see why you want to argue weither or not it's particul and or possible when both are the case it is neither practical or possible to do given the circumstances.

Not arguing. That said, aircraft engines do not power AC at the gate. We use an APU. A small engine powers engine that runs the electrical systems and the AC. It would take a very small APU and ACM to condition the gondolas. Again, I agree it would be too expensive thus not practical. But to say it’s impossible is not true.

You are missing the point between practicality and possible. I agree it’s not practical, but to say it’s not possible is just false.

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

Not arguing. That said, engines do not power AC at the gate. We use an APU. A small powers engine that runs the electrical systems and the AC. It would take a very small APU and ACM to condition the gondolas. Again, I agree it would be too expensive thus not practical. But to say it’s impossible is not true.

Whatever i don't really get why you want to argue about this. Comparing AC on an airplane and a gondola cabin is like comparing apples to oranges they aren't the same. It was tried and it doesn't work so Disney and the company who built them decided not to bother with it, it doesn't matter if it's practical or possible to do because it has only been used once and as I said it didn't work.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Regardless, we are just going in circles here, so unless there’s any new revelations, I’ll bow out.

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

Regardless, we are just going in circles here, so unless there’s any new revelations, I’ll bow out.

You're the one going in circles there was an entire thread where this issue was discussed over and over again back when it was built.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

You're the one going in circles there was an entire thread where this issue was discussed over and over again back when it was built.

Get it right. Never said they should do AC, or it was a wise idea to do so. My only point was it is possible. Period. I think they did it correctly. I don’t think they should have spent the huge dollars to do it. I’m simply saying it can be done. Get it??

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

Get it right. Never said they should do AC, or it was a wise idea to do so. My only point was it is possible. Period. I think they did it correctly. I don’t think they should have spent the huge dollars to do it. I’m simply saying it can be done. Get it??

I honestly don't know why you seem to think it's possible just because it isn't practical. Neither of us are right or wrong as I said this was discussed to death two years ago when they were being built. I don't see why you want to argue about it but you seem to want to for some reason. It was tried in a location that it rearely gets hot enough for it to be used and was deemed to not work because of many different reasons and it wasn't just because of cost or practicality. Maybe someday down the road they might come up with something that works but I highly doubt it as it was deemed unnecessary to continue working on it

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I honestly don't know why you seem to think it's possible just because it isn't practical. Neither of us are right or wrong as I said this was discussed to death two years ago when they were being built. I don't see why you want to argue about it but you seem to want to for some reason. It was tried in a location that it rearely gets hot enough for it to be used and was deemed to not work because of many different reasons and it wasn't just because of cost or practicality. Maybe someday down the road they might come up with something that works but I highly doubt it as it was deemed unnecessary to continue working on it

Well technology proves it’s possible. I’m sorry a different location did not do it correctly. But, if money was no object (which obviously it is), one could instal a battery or small engine to generate power. Granted, that would likely no be practical as every stop you may need some sort of recharge, but it is possible. Also supplement charging I from roof solar panels.

installing AC in a vehicle is not rocket science, although it can be prohibitively expensive. And that’s my point.

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

Well technology proves it’s possible. I’m sorry a different location did not do it correctly. But, if money was no object (which obviously it is), one could instal a battery or small engine to generate power. Granted, that would likely no be practical as every stop you may need some sort of recharge, but it is possible. Also supplement charging I from roof solar panels.

installing AC in a vehicle is not rocket science, although it can be prohibitively expensive. And that’s my point.

It was the same company that built both systems as of right now there is no technology that can provide enough power and be light enough to work on a gondola system that provides any decent amount of cooling. As I said all of this was discussed in a thread when it was being built. https://www.disboards.com/threads/d...ortation-system-read-post-1-now-open.3578988/

 

[Maistre Gracey]

It was the same company that built both systems as of right now there is no technology that can provide enough power and be light enough to work on a gondola system that provides any decent amount of cooling. As I said all of this was discussed in a thread when it was being built. https://www.disboards.com/threads/d...ortation-system-read-post-1-now-open.3578988/

Silly
Not reading the thread. But if weight is an issue, just reduce capacity by the appropriate weight.

 

[EastYorkDisneyFan]

Silly
Not reading the thread. But if weight is an issue, just reduce capacity by the appropriate weight.

Ok whatever if you don't want to read through a thread where your entire argument got put down multiple times. I just don't see why you want to keep trying to make your point.

 

[OKW Lover]

After following this thread for a while I get the impression that at least one person thinks that AC on the SkyLiner is possible, but just not practical.

Can we leave it at that?

 

[4luv2cdisney]

My daughter just returned from a Riv stay. Nobody in our family has ever taken an Uber or Lyft type service. Ever. But she now has. lol Twice in a 3 day trip. Both times it was because trying to get a bus from RIV was "a nightmare".

As for the skyliner, when they tried to leave Epcot (it had been raining earlier but stopped for at least 10 minutes) the skyliner was closed. They were directed to the front of the park to catch a bus. Bus showed quickly this time, but by the time the bus left, they could see the Skyliner was running again. So, they had walked from near the front of the park to catch the skyliner, back thru the park and to the bus stop, then a (slower) bus ride to Riv.

To rope drop HS, they walked to CBR. Don't know if it was 100% necessary, but the skyliner at RIV wasn't running yet, so they figured they'd go that route.

So, they did not find the skyliner (or trans in general) very convenient. Honestly, their whole trip went very very smoothly for a couple 19 year olds first time navigating on their own on a rainy holiday weekend. The only complaint was Riv trans (and a sunburn).

 

[joelkfla]

Requiring guests to walk all the way thru the park to get from the Skyliner to a bus should not be acceptable to Disney.

There's a backstage gate right next to the Skyliner station. If they wanted to, they could easily load guests backstage there. Then the buses could run behind World Showcase and exit across an existing bridge behind the fire station, bringing them right onto Victory Way with minimal infrastructure changes. It wouldn't be pretty, but they've already brought guests backstage for the aborted park-to-park express buses a few years ago, and routinely do so during MK & DHS exits.

Failing that, they should reinstate running buses from either BC or BW.

There's no excuse for treating guests so badly during the area's frequent thunderstorms.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Requiring guests to walk all the way thru the park to get from the Skyliner to a bus should not be acceptable to Disney.

There's a backstage gate right next to the Skyliner station. If they wanted to, they could easily load guests backstage there. Then the buses could run behind World Showcase and exit across an existing bridge behind the fire station, bringing them right onto Victory Way with minimal infrastructure changes. It wouldn't be pretty, but they've already brought guests backstage for the aborted park-to-park express buses a few years ago, and routinely do so during MK & DHS exits.

Failing that, they should reinstate running buses from either BC or BW.

There's no excuse for treating guests so badly during the area's frequent thunderstorms.

I had to laugh when you said "it wouldn't be pretty", don't we see the backside of Epcot over World Showcase when riding the Skyliner?

I'm confused, I thought that when the Skyliner goes down they do direct guests to a bus at BW via IG. Is that not true?

 

[OKW Lover]

I thought that when the Skyliner goes down they do direct guests to a bus at BW via IG. Is that not true?

No. Buses from BW only (normally) go to the other parks or DS.

 

[jennyq87]

Just here to offer a different perspective because we've always had a great experience with the Skyliner! My husband is scared of heights and I'm prone to motion sickness, but neither of those have been issues for us. We've had multiple Riviera stays and one Yacht Club stay since it opened, and we utilized it pretty heavily -- to the parks, to explore other resorts, etc. There can be backups if you're trying to arrive/leave the park at the same time as everyone else, but again, you'll find that with most modes of transportation. The Skyliner line backed us up to what felt like Beach Club the last time we were leaving Epcot at park closing, but it only took ~15-20 minutes to get through the line. That's significantly less time than we would have spent walking from the IG to the front of Epcot and waiting in line for a bus. We got stuck on the line once for about ~5 minutes pretty early on, but other than that we've had great luck! We've also had a great experience with the Riviera buses. Not so much at Yacht Club though We tend to Uber a lot, though -- not huge fans of the Disney bus system in general!

 

[Ms.Minnie]

I too like to ride the Skyliner but we usually always stay at the BW and travel in Jan/Feb so the weather isn't as big an issue at that time of year. I can see that during the summer months the weather could and does play a much larger part in how well the Skyliner functions. We have gone to HS using the Skyliner, it's a fun way to get there if you're not in a hurry.

 

[holden]

FWIW on our two Epcot days in June the skyliner was down each time we looked at it. Different times of the day. A huge storm blew in at one point. I’m assuming they don’t board people when the weather is turning bad, but if feel horrible for anyone who was stuck in a gondola during that storm!