The Running Thread -- 2022

Thank you. Perhaps I'll send the race coordinator an email asking about the pace group plan. I know that there is a 2:00 pace group that is continuous running (they specify a 2:45 Galloway group), but I don't know if the plan is for even splits or negative splits. I was assuming that the plan would be even splits but you certainly never know.
Keep in mind that most pacers are volunteers. Some are really good at it and others are still figuring it out. I've heard many stories where pace groups go out too fast or too slow which can be a real challenge for someone trying to run their best race.
I wouldn't let that dissuade you from trying the pace group. Just keep an eye on your pace to see if it is a manageable pace for the entire race.
 
Keep in mind that most pacers are volunteers. Some are really good at it and others are still figuring it out. I've heard many stories where pace groups go out too fast or too slow which can be a real challenge for someone trying to run their best race.
I wouldn't let that dissuade you from trying the pace group. Just keep an eye on your pace to see if it is a manageable pace for the entire race.
Thank you. That is great advice to consider.
 
Thank you. That is great advice to consider.
I definitely agree with @GollyGadget’s advice. Smaller races may have less experienced pacers. I remember passing some pacers near the end of a race that were walking (for a while), because they didn’t want to come in way under their pace time and were openly talking about it. (They were probably 2:15 pacers and I finished in about 2:08 for that race, and we were probably within a mile or two of the finish.) So… if someone had used them as their pacers, they would have gone out way too fast and probably ruined their attempt at a best time goal. Pacers can be awesome and provide a great benefit (running with people, motivation, entertainment), but keep an eye on your pace occasionally to make sure they aren’t going faster (or slower) than what you need.
 
What is the experience like with the pace groups and do they help you actually run to get your desired finish time?
I've had good experiences with pacers. Talk to them before the race about their plan. Every pacer I've run with did even splits, not negative.

Keep an eye on the pace with your watch, and be ready to 'fire' the pacer if they are not performing as promised.
 
Anyone have any good suggestions for a FREE alternative to the peloton app for spin bike? **We don't own a peloton---we have a schwinn IC4 and used kinetic and an approximate equivalent chart for resistance** We burned through our free 30 days last year, and I need something to maintain my cardio but not stress my foot out. Bonus points if it has a playlist that'll work with cadence.

If there's nothing really decent out there, I'll just cancel my spotify subscription and switch back to peloton.
I agree with others on keeping Peloton. I used their outdoor marathon training program for MW and really enjoyed the programming. I miss having them in my ear during my training runs. I wish they had more race-specific content. I used some of the standard outdoor runs in place of the prescribed Hal Higdon runs on the advanced half marathon training program - I tried to match time of the workout. That was more fun than remembering my own workouts and watching the clock while on the road.
 
Thank you. Perhaps I'll send the race coordinator an email asking about the pace group plan. I know that there is a 2:00 pace group that is continuous running (they specify a 2:45 Galloway group), but I don't know if the plan is for even splits or negative splits. I was assuming that the plan would be even splits but you certainly never know.
Your best bet is probably to walk up to the pacer on the morning of and talk to them directly. The race coordinator may not have any idea what the plan is unless they happen to be personally know that pacer.
I don’t usually run with a pace group but position myself within eyeshot of the flag or between the 2 flags that bracket my goal. I want to be able to race my own race but the flags are nice visual cues for where I am in the pack. I tend to run negative split so it’s not unusual for pace groups to pass me initially then I start passing them. I actually tend to use other racers as pacers as I go. You end up near someone who is going at the pace you want and stick with them for a mile or so then pick them off and choose your next pacer, etc. It makes it a bit of a game and helps me feel focused. FWIW, pace groups that have finished near me at larger races (usually Houston, so maybe a bit more experienced) usually finish pretty spot on.
 
I finally decided on my fall running plans and registered for the Philadelphia Marathon this November. I've heard great things and we haven't been to Philly in a couple years. Looking forward to it! However, beginning training in July will be... unpleasant.

I've never run that marathon but I've run in Philly 5 or 6 times (2 halves and runs when visiting for work) and it is a great city for running.

I'm running a HM next weekend in a last ditch attempt to get a better POT to qualify for s3. Has anyone here utilized the pace groups? I've only run three races (HM, M and 10 Miler), so my frame of reference is limited. What is the experience like with the pace groups and do they help you actually run to get your desired finish time?

I have never run with pace groups but a few friends of mine pace marathons.

As others have said you'll want to read up on anything posted on the race website but in reality unless you talk to the pacers you won't know their method. Some will have a Q&A booth at the expo but even that isn't great if the specific pacer in your group isn't there. On the morning of the race find your pacer and ask how they plan to run the race. Most will be running the entire time since the run/walk pacing is the exception, not the norm. My friends that pace will generally go into the race with the goal of even splits adjusting for the course. If it starts hilly and ends flat they might be going for negative splits due to that. If their group is small they might talk out strategy and then adjust to what the group wants.

Whatever the group if you have a strategy I wouldn't waver from it for the sake of the group. If you want to run a negative split and they are going for a even splits go out at the pace you'd like and reel them in as you get past half way.
 
Has anyone tried Athletic Greens? Yes, I know I should be eating more real veggies, but even if I buy lots of good stuff it ends up going bad because I never get around to eating it (I hate the preparation of washing and/or cooking).
 
Has anyone tried Athletic Greens? Yes, I know I should be eating more real veggies, but even if I buy lots of good stuff it ends up going bad because I never get around to eating it (I hate the preparation of washing and/or cooking).

I just started taking them this month. I was taking Seed probiotics for the past 2 years and I wanted to switch it up. I treat it more like an all-in-one supplement than any kind of meal replacement for real food. It is too early for me to really endorse them but I have had no negative side effects.
 
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Has anyone tried Athletic Greens? Yes, I know I should be eating more real veggies, but even if I buy lots of good stuff it ends up going bad because I never get around to eating it (I hate the preparation of washing and/or cooking).
I'm with you there. And as a single person, after 4 days of eating the same veggie/fruit (because you can't buy single portions)....it's a lot.

Looking forward to hearing the response, I get so many ads for this and I'm curious!
 
Has anyone tried Athletic Greens? Yes, I know I should be eating more real veggies, but even if I buy lots of good stuff it ends up going bad because I never get around to eating it (I hate the preparation of washing and/or cooking).
Not Athletic Greens specifically, but I just bought a different brand of green powder to start adding to a green shake in the mornings. I also find I don't have a lot of fruits/vegetables, so I started having it in a shake form. I can't really comment on it yet though, since I just got it.

I'd be curious to know if Athletic Greens is better than other brands, or if they just have a better marketing department...
 
Not Athletic Greens specifically, but I just bought a different brand of green powder to start adding to a green shake in the mornings. I also find I don't have a lot of fruits/vegetables, so I started having it in a shake form. I can't really comment on it yet though, since I just got it.

I'd be curious to know if Athletic Greens is better than other brands, or if they just have a better marketing department...

I also tried Organifi which was pretty good. I had the green and red powder with them but that was late 2019.
 
I typically do most of my runs in the morning. However, rain this morning thwarted my efforts and I decided that I will run this evening after work when the weather looks great. How should I plan tomorrow's run, which will occur in the morning? Rather than ~24 hours between runs, I will have ~10-12.

I'm expecting @DopeyBadger will have some insight, but am also open to suggestions from others.

My run today is at Easy B pace for ~1 hour and 15 minutes, and tomorrow ~6 miles (45 minutes) of my run are at half marathon pace.
 
I typically do most of my runs in the morning. However, rain this morning thwarted my efforts and I decided that I will run this evening after work when the weather looks great. How should I plan tomorrow's run, which will occur in the morning? Rather than ~24 hours between runs, I will have ~10-12.

I'm expecting @DopeyBadger will have some insight, but am also open to suggestions from others.

My run today is at Easy B pace for ~1 hour and 15 minutes, and tomorrow ~6 miles (45 minutes) of my run are at half marathon pace.

Nothing all that different than normal. Do the runs as scheduled, but, as always, keep an eye on the effort necessary to do the run. You know what EB feels like under normal circumstances. So don't overrun the pace because you're potentially a little fresher. Conversely, you know what HM Tempo should feel like. So don't push the pace to scheduled pace if the effort doesn't feel right. Always be ok with pulling back on the pace from scheduled to match the desired effort level.
 
I typically do most of my runs in the morning. However, rain this morning thwarted my efforts and I decided that I will run this evening after work when the weather looks great. How should I plan tomorrow's run, which will occur in the morning? Rather than ~24 hours between runs, I will have ~10-12.

I'm expecting @DopeyBadger will have some insight, but am also open to suggestions from others.

My run today is at Easy B pace for ~1 hour and 15 minutes, and tomorrow ~6 miles (45 minutes) of my run are at half marathon pace.

I hate when this happens! Like DopeyBadger said, I usually don't change anything and try to do the runs as planned but give myself permission to back off the intensity on day 2 if I am struggling.
 
Hey running people. I'm new to this forum, but always nice to find new people to talk running with :)

I'm a week on from my last marathon, which I ran the first 18 miles with a pacer. I had also read advice (as given here) about talking to the pacers before the marathon starts, to see how they are planning on approaching it. Unfortunately, there were far too many people for me to do that. So I just started running nearby, but not really part of the pacing group, keeping an eye on the speed on my watch. It looked great, I joined in with them, the encouragement was fantastic. So I hope you get lucky with a pacer like I did KPS775 and also managed to stick with them until the end - which I unfortunately did not.

I'm now planning my next marathon, which falls a week after my planned Disney World trip. I think this will fit in ok, if I do all my long runs beforehand, as most of my holiday will be tapering, so I won't get in too much trouble with my husband! I am looking at some nice running routes while I'm there and hopefully a parkrun or two. We're staying at three different hotels, plus I'm happy to drive a bit to find somewhere nice to run, so if anyone has any nice Orlando routes they'd like to share I would love to see them. It's not until September, but route planning is one of my favourite things about running.
 
I needed to do 12 miles one weekend I was at Disney. I ended up driving up to Winter Garden and ran along the West Orange Trail. It worked out pretty well, and had a nice post-run stop in town for coffee and market day.
Just had a look, that seems perfect, thank you!
 
Hey running people. I'm new to this forum, but always nice to find new people to talk running with :)

I'm a week on from my last marathon, which I ran the first 18 miles with a pacer. I had also read advice (as given here) about talking to the pacers before the marathon starts, to see how they are planning on approaching it. Unfortunately, there were far too many people for me to do that. So I just started running nearby, but not really part of the pacing group, keeping an eye on the speed on my watch. It looked great, I joined in with them, the encouragement was fantastic. So I hope you get lucky with a pacer like I did KPS775 and also managed to stick with them until the end - which I unfortunately did not.

I'm now planning my next marathon, which falls a week after my planned Disney World trip. I think this will fit in ok, if I do all my long runs beforehand, as most of my holiday will be tapering, so I won't get in too much trouble with my husband! I am looking at some nice running routes while I'm there and hopefully a parkrun or two. We're staying at three different hotels, plus I'm happy to drive a bit to find somewhere nice to run, so if anyone has any nice Orlando routes they'd like to share I would love to see them. It's not until September, but route planning is one of my favourite things about running.

I needed to do 12 miles one weekend I was at Disney. I ended up driving up to Winter Garden and ran along the West Orange Trail. It worked out pretty well, and had a nice post-run stop in town for coffee and market day.

I was going to mention the West Orange Trail as well. I'm going to be down there next week and I built a 10 mile route through Celebration. There are a bunch of tools out there you can use to build routes including heat maps so you know if a specific route is popular. I just use the free Garmin version but Strava and Kamoot have two very good options as well.

Here is my 10 mile route through Celebration:

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The blue is my route while the purple is the head map. the darker the purple the more popular the route.
 












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