The Running Thread - 2018

[cavepig]

Don't they check your times from the other races though to make sure you finished those? This person has been faking Disney races for some time now and is now claiming to have finished Dopey but doesn't have one finished race time to prove they were even there.

Honestly, I don't know what pops up on the screen they look at, but I assume it's your picture from the expo and then finish times I would think from all the races, but I never looked. If she doesn't have any finish times and says it's becasue she takes off her chip, I find that very odd to do. They don't let you sneak back into that area once you leave, but I'm sure some might try/do. I feel like I remember reading about some lady bragging she was swept but still got her challenge medals by having someone sneak her them or something odd along those lines.


I do not run in the heat of the day, I know people who do after work as that's what works for them and their schedule.

 

[Keels]

I mean, who DOESN’T want to run in weather like this????



I’ve gotta start waking up earlier.

 

[sylkai]

I am Not A Morning Person (TM) and I live somewhere where I typically don't have to worry about the D, just the T, so I can get away with running somewhat closer to the heat of the day. I carry water depending on distance and temperature and slow my pace as necessary.

That said, I have been known to get up slightly earlier if it's supposed to be really bad and it's a longer run planned.

I'm eyeing a third style of hydration backpack, since my current two are giving me some chafing issues and it's starting to warm up again. I can't do hydration belts (too much bouncing and they want to slide up too far) or handheld stuff. Someone at the Dark Side 10k had one of the Hydraquivers from Orange Mud and I'm really tempted.

 

[PrincessV]

I don't know whether I should laugh or cry...

This is the original source (which I modified a touch): http://maximumperformancerunning.blogspot.com/2013/07/temperature-dew-point.html

Above 180: hard running not recommended

That seems unfathomable to me, but I'm a northerner who melts at a T+D in the 130s.

Ohohoh, I'm on that chart! That lower right quadrant - that's me! Actually, I probably only have a few days quite that bad. A typical August pre-dawn is a temp of 80-85, 90-100% humidity, which Google tells me indicates a dew point of about the same temp, so let's say 82*, dew point at 80, T+D = 162. Downright balmy!

 

[camaker]

I don't know whether I should laugh or cry...

This is the original source (which I modified a touch): http://maximumperformancerunning.blogspot.com/2013/07/temperature-dew-point.html

Above 180: hard running not recommended

That seems unfathomable to me, but I'm a northerner who melts at a T+D in the 130s.

Ohohoh, I'm on that chart! That lower right quadrant - that's me! Actually, I probably only have a few days quite that bad. A typical August pre-dawn is a temp of 80-85, 90-100% humidity, which Google tells me indicates a dew point of about the same temp, so let's say 82*, dew point at 80, T+D = 162. Downright balmy!

I'm right there with you @PrincessV! I just looked back at last summer's training logs and there were a lot of T+Ds in the 160-167 range from June to August. Heck, I've already hit a T+D of 151 this season and we're just to mid-May!

 

[FFigawi]

I mean, who DOESN’T want to run in weather like this????

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I’ve gotta start waking up earlier.

The harder part of this is you going to sleep earlier

 

[roxymama]

I mean, who DOESN’T want to run in weather like this????

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I’ve gotta start waking up earlier.

This was pretty much the weather I tried to PR a HM in last year. Although our dew point was slightly less "dewy"
Since I've experienced that I can confidently say "I would not like to run in that weather"

 

[Keels]

The harder part of this is you going to sleep earlier

Yeah ... it’s hard to wake up at 6 when you go to bed at 4 ...

 

[roxymama]

Yeah ... it’s hard to wake up at 6 when you go to bed at 4 ...

Go to bed at 4am tonight
Sleep through Tues
Wake up at 6am Wed
Profit

 

[Keels]

Go to bed at 4am tonight
Sleep through Tues
Wake up at 6am Wed
Profit

I mean, that would be ideal!

That said, I just finished a phone interview for a jobby job just a bit ago ... so this whole "wake up early" thing may be sorted out a lot sooner than I was planning.

 

[OldSlowGoofyGuy]

Additional answer to the QOTD: While running in the heat is miserable, don't underestimate the bump in performance you can get by timing your goal race to be just as the cooler weather hits.

That would be December for Georgia.

 

[avondale]

Now that we have T+D as one way to quantify our misery during a run, I think we need another way to quantify another source of unpleasantness: bugs. I'm sure many, if not all of you, have experienced runs where you discover upon finishing numerous bugs plastered to your body and perhaps swallowed.

Clearly more bugs means a more unpleasant run, but one can't just compare the number of bugs on one's body to another person, since there are significant factors that vary with the individual that would cause encounters with more or fewer bugs. Specifically: how fast one runs, the duration of the run, and the individual's cross-section area. Other factors, such as the tilt of the body and presence/absence of hat are considered to be second-order effects.

Bug Impact Index

In order to quantify this for no useful purpose, I introduce the BII: Bug Impact Index. Here is the precise mathematical formula: BII = A * N/(S*T*H).

N: the number of bugs you ran into, as evidenced by them being stuck to your body. Swallowed/inhaled bugs also count - this number is taken on your honor.
S: the average speed of your run in mph
T: the duration of your run in hours
H: your height in feet - a proxy for your cross-section area
A: I call this @avondale's scaling factor, which is equal to 10 mph*h*ft/bug, and conveniently cancels out units appropriately and makes the result be a reasonable-sized, unitless number.

The BII allows two runners who have done runs of different durations, for example, compare the relative nastiness of the bug population for each run in an objective way.

Example

Tonight I ran for 48 minutes (0.8 h) at an average speed of 5.0 mph. My height is 5 ft 3 in, so 5.25 ft. I had 8 bugs on my body and swallowed 1, for N = 9. Hence my BII = (10)(9)/0.8/5.0/5.25 = 4.3.

Future Work

Future research pertaining to the BII will involve the investigation of the BFP (bug-free path), which is the average distance in any direction between bugs. The establishment of a BFP for different regions of the country will enable a more rigorous comparison of the BII between runners of different areas of the country.


(Hope you enjoy! My semester is almost over! Hooray!)

 

[Baloo in MI]

ATTQOTD: I am not a fan of heat at all! But this past year I was attempting my first 12 hour race and my first 50 Miler in July and September respectively. These races were both in Mid Michigan and were hot and humid! So I started incorporating one mid-day run every two weeks. I used it to get used to the feeling but also learn. My take away, I still do not like heat, but with electrolyte rehydration, proper attire that is light weight and breathable (and a hat for my bald head), slowing down and approaching the whole thing with a positive attitude it got a lot better. Made a noticeable difference during the races.

 

[LSUlakes]

Now that we have T+D as one way to quantify our misery during a run, I think we need another way to quantify another source of unpleasantness: bugs. I'm sure many, if not all of you, have experienced runs where you discover upon finishing numerous bugs plastered to your body and perhaps swallowed.

Clearly more bugs means a more unpleasant run, but one can't just compare the number of bugs on one's body to another person, since there are significant factors that vary with the individual that would cause encounters with more or fewer bugs. Specifically: how fast one runs, the duration of the run, and the individual's cross-section area. Other factors, such as the tilt of the body and presence/absence of hat are considered to be second-order effects.

Bug Impact Index

In order to quantify this for no useful purpose, I introduce the BII: Bug Impact Index. Here is the precise mathematical formula: BII = A * N/(S*T*H).

N: the number of bugs you ran into, as evidenced by them being stuck to your body. Swallowed/inhaled bugs also count - this number is taken on your honor.
S: the average speed of your run in mph
T: the duration of your run in hours
H: your height in feet - a proxy for your cross-section area
A: I call this @avondale's scaling factor, which is equal to 10 mph*h*ft/bug, and conveniently cancels out units appropriately and makes the result be a reasonable-sized, unitless number.

The BII allows two runners who have done runs of different durations, for example, compare the relative nastiness of the bug population for each run in an objective way.

Example

Tonight I ran for 48 minutes (0.8 h) at an average speed of 5.0 mph. My height is 5 ft 3 in, so 5.25 ft. I had 8 bugs on my body and swallowed 1, for N = 9. Hence my BII = (10)(9)/0.8/5.0/5.25 = 4.3.

Future Work

Future research pertaining to the BII will involve the investigation of the BFP (bug-free path), which is the average distance in any direction between bugs. The establishment of a BFP for different regions of the country will enable a more rigorous comparison of the BII between runners of different areas of the country.


(Hope you enjoy! My semester is almost over! Hooray!)

The other afternoon I was going to go run and then the formosan termites started swarming and it was a big nope! Each year they get worse (makes sense) and as a homeowner I wish I knew how to kill them all!

 

[JulieODC]

I do most runs at lunch, so that means peak heat in the summer. I try for early morning if DH is here with the kids, but if he is traveling, mid day heat it is!

 

[flav]

ATTQOTD: I run when I can so, yes, this sometimes fall during the warmest part of the day. I slow down and slowly get used to it over the summer.

 

[KevM]

ATTQOTD: if I somehow find that the hottest part of the day is the only time I can run, I’m running on the treadmill.

 

[sylkai]

Now that we have T+D as one way to quantify our misery during a run, I think we need another way to quantify another source of unpleasantness: bugs. I'm sure many, if not all of you, have experienced runs where you discover upon finishing numerous bugs plastered to your body and perhaps swallowed.

Clearly more bugs means a more unpleasant run, but one can't just compare the number of bugs on one's body to another person, since there are significant factors that vary with the individual that would cause encounters with more or fewer bugs. Specifically: how fast one runs, the duration of the run, and the individual's cross-section area. Other factors, such as the tilt of the body and presence/absence of hat are considered to be second-order effects.

Bug Impact Index

In order to quantify this for no useful purpose, I introduce the BII: Bug Impact Index. Here is the precise mathematical formula: BII = A * N/(S*T*H).

N: the number of bugs you ran into, as evidenced by them being stuck to your body. Swallowed/inhaled bugs also count - this number is taken on your honor.
S: the average speed of your run in mph
T: the duration of your run in hours
H: your height in feet - a proxy for your cross-section area
A: I call this @avondale's scaling factor, which is equal to 10 mph*h*ft/bug, and conveniently cancels out units appropriately and makes the result be a reasonable-sized, unitless number.

The BII allows two runners who have done runs of different durations, for example, compare the relative nastiness of the bug population for each run in an objective way.

Example

Tonight I ran for 48 minutes (0.8 h) at an average speed of 5.0 mph. My height is 5 ft 3 in, so 5.25 ft. I had 8 bugs on my body and swallowed 1, for N = 9. Hence my BII = (10)(9)/0.8/5.0/5.25 = 4.3.

Future Work

Future research pertaining to the BII will involve the investigation of the BFP (bug-free path), which is the average distance in any direction between bugs. The establishment of a BFP for different regions of the country will enable a more rigorous comparison of the BII between runners of different areas of the country.


(Hope you enjoy! My semester is almost over! Hooray!)

I had a bee fly into my mouth during a run last week. That was a giant nope.

(I managed to spit it out before it stung me. Not sure if it survived. On the other hand, my pace certainly picked up after that.)

 

[McNs]

ATTQOTD I don't mind running in the heat, though I do manage these runs a bit more through effort, duration or hydration (or a combo of all three). Sometimes I am a little masochistic and will go out when really hot just to see what I can cope with (I also sometimes go running in a heavy downpour for the same reason - our heavy rain doesn't have lightning).

 

[Waiting2goback]

Regarding physical activity in the summer heat, I'd just encourage everyone to be smart and be safe! You need to be aware not just of the danger of dehydration, but also hyponatremia, the drop in sodium levels in your blood. This can result when an athlete sweats excessively and replaces fluid loss with water only, causing the sodium in the blood to become diluted. In extreme cases, this can be fatal. Be mindful of the risks of prolonged exercise when it's hot, and use a sports drink or snacks with sodium and other electrolytes if you're going to be training for an hour or more in high heat. Let's all be safe out there!

I increase my salt intake during the summer just because if this. I'm a sweater, and when I can see the white lines in my clothes after a run from the salt I know I need to increase my intake. But I don't run in the hottest part of the days anymore, that was just to prepare for FL heat and humidity for that one race.

Honestly, I don't know what pops up on the screen they look at, but I assume it's your picture from the expo and then finish times I would think from all the races, but I never looked. If she doesn't have any finish times and says it's becasue she takes off her chip, I find that very odd to do. They don't let you sneak back into that area once you leave, but I'm sure some might try/do. I feel like I remember reading about some lady bragging she was swept but still got her challenge medals by having someone sneak her them or something odd along those lines.


I do not run in the heat of the day, I know people who do after work as that's what works for them and their schedule.

The whole thing is very odd. Why spend that kind of money only to never run one of the races and then fashion a story to try and prove you did run. How about just do the actual running and experience all the benefits from it? But, there are just some crazy people in this world. Thanks for the responses on the topic though, I appreciate it.