The Running Thread - 2018

[Sleepless Knight]

I posted a very brief recap in a bit more detail on my training journal, but here's a short version of my San Francisco Giant Race Half today.

In short, today was not my day. It felt like nothing went right early on and by the time I got those issues cleared up, my back was screaming with a vengeance and forced me to keep walking. I've never walked such a substantial portion of a half marathon before. Maybe 9 miles or so. When I wanted to push myself and run faster, my back screamed that it wasn't happening. In all prior races, I've ran the race faster than I trained. Today, I walked most of this race and was much slower than my training times. But I knocked 3 minutes off my PR.

And in spite of all that, I still knocked 3 minutes off my PR. So, yeah, I had a very difficult race today and still somehow set a PR of 3:02:11. I believe that I have ran better races in runDisney events, but all the fun character stops add substantially to my time.

In happier news, my little sister crushed her old PR and took 10 minutes off it. And I feel like my race today had a tremendous amount of teaching moments that I can correct before Dopey and still finish the marathon. I realized today just how far I've come since that first race.

 

[OldSlowGoofyGuy]

I still knocked 3 minutes off my PR. So, yeah, I had a very difficult race today and still somehow set a PR of 3:02:11.

Awesome! Congrats on the PR, despite perfect conditions. And double congrats on the double family PR.

 

[JulieODC]

Disclaimer: not running or Disney related.

BLUF: everything is OK.

Yikes, we had a scare today. My wife spent the night with a friend last night. She called me this morning and said 'I think I'm having a stroke. Half my face is paralyzed. I'm going to the ER." The fear was heightened because my MIL had a stroke last month. We managed to get her to the ER fast enough that there was zero permanent damage.

Diagnosis: Bell's palsy, a viral infection that causes a facial nerve to become inflamed and then get pinched where it passes through a narrow corridor of bone, causing paralyze of the face.

Treatment: anti-viral medicine and steroids for the inflammation.

Prognosis: Almost always full recovery.

Give your DW (darling whatever) a hug and a smooch.

So glad she’s ok! Any chance she was tested for Lyme disease? Bell’s palsy is very common with Lyme, so it might be good to rule that out!

Stay safe everyone in the southern east coast!

 

[Dis5150]

Disclaimer: not running or Disney related.

BLUF: everything is OK.

Yikes, we had a scare today. My wife spent the night with a friend last night. She called me this morning and said 'I think I'm having a stroke. Half my face is paralyzed. I'm going to the ER." The fear was heightened because my MIL had a stroke last month. We managed to get her to the ER fast enough that there was zero permanent damage.

Diagnosis: Bell's palsy, a viral infection that causes a facial nerve to become inflamed and then get pinched where it passes through a narrow corridor of bone, causing paralyze of the face.

Treatment: anti-viral medicine and steroids for the inflammation.

Prognosis: Almost always full recovery.

Give your DW (darling whatever) a hug and a smooch.

How scary! So glad the prognosis is a good one!

 

[LSUlakes]

If you are sticking around DHS for a while that afternoon, our paths just might cross! Our first FP at at 4:10.

We will be there all afternoon to eventually watch Fantasmic (weather pending of course). That afternoon looks like 1:50 FP for RNR, Muppets @ 2:15, Beer stop at Baseline Tap House @ 2:45, Indiana Jones 3:15 show, 3:55 TOT FP, Little Mermaid @ 4:50, TSM a 5:15, Slinky FP @ 5:40, diner and then Fantasmic.

Disclaimer: not running or Disney related.

BLUF: everything is OK.

Yikes, we had a scare today. My wife spent the night with a friend last night. She called me this morning and said 'I think I'm having a stroke. Half my face is paralyzed. I'm going to the ER." The fear was heightened because my MIL had a stroke last month. We managed to get her to the ER fast enough that there was zero permanent damage.

Diagnosis: Bell's palsy, a viral infection that causes a facial nerve to become inflamed and then get pinched where it passes through a narrow corridor of bone, causing paralyze of the face.

Treatment: anti-viral medicine and steroids for the inflammation.

Prognosis: Almost always full recovery.

Give your DW (darling whatever) a hug and a smooch.

Thats scary stuff! Glad to hear that everything looks like it is going to work out well!

 

[LSUlakes]

QOTD: When comparing walking to running, for example walking around WDW, the beach, the mall, ect. What ratio would you use to say a mile of running is equal to "x" miles of walking?

ATTQOTD: I'm asking this as I probably wont get a run in again this week, but this time because we will be at WDW. I am just trying to tell myself its going to be ok and that walking 10 miles is like a 3 mile run maybe...

 

[PrincessV]

Yup...

All my facebook memories are our prep of Irma from last year. Never want to have to live through that again.

Ditto that. Though, to be fair, the aftermath of Irma was WAY worse for me than the actual storm... I evacuated to Central FL, where we never lost power or Internet. Then had to go home to work recovery and lived with no power, no sewage (so no showering, flushing, anything that causes water to go down a drain) for a week. That was not fun at all.

We are in Charleston and at this point the storm is heading our way. Of course, I have been through enough of these to know that the situation will continue to change.

Charleston evacuated in 2016 for Matthew and in 2017 for Irma. We chose to stay in 2017. After Floyd in 1999 no South Carolina politician is going to “wait and see.”

I lost almost everything to Hugo way back when (house was on IOP), so I'm all too familiar with how devastating a hit can be in the Low Country. Looks like Florence might hit further north: bad for NC, but hopefully better for SC? My heart still lives in the SC pluff mud! ♥

 

[run.minnie.miles]

QOTD: When comparing walking to running, for example walking around WDW, the beach, the mall, ect. What ratio would you use to say a mile of running is equal to "x" miles of walking?

I am curious what others say too... I wanted to run 5 miles yesterday, but instead mowed for 1 hour and then ran 3... so that is kind of similar to 5 in my mind?

In reality, I know that running is really the only thing that truly counts as running, but I think the time on your feet/miles walking will help balance the very minimal loss from not running for that week.

 

[GreatLakes]

I had a new half marathon experience this weekend. The training plan for the W&D 10K that I am looking to place for starts today so I wanted to just do a long, slow, low heart rate run for this race. I know myself and that I'd be tempted to go out fast so I decided to stick back and run with a friend that was shooting for around a 2 hour half since he is getting back from injury. It was quite nice. I never really felt winded even though there was about 1,000 miles of climbing total and when we were done I felt like I could go another couple hours at that pace. I'm hoping that will help with my aerobic base as I head into the faster training for the 10K

QOTD: When comparing walking to running, for example walking around WDW, the beach, the mall, ect. What ratio would you use to say a mile of running is equal to "x" miles of walking?

I have heard that the time comparison is pretty close to 1:1 meaning 10 minutes of running has the same training effect as 10 minutes of walking though I don't buy that 100%. The heart rate you train at has a lot to do with the endurance training so while in isolation that might be true at some point the accumulation of walking vs running loses some of that 1:1 benefit. Going by that logic I generally walk just over half as slow as I run so I'd say it is about 2.5 miles or walking for a mile of running all else being equal.

 

[braycon]

QOTD: When comparing walking to running, for example walking around WDW, the beach, the mall, ect. What ratio would you use to say a mile of running is equal to "x" miles of walking?

ATTQOTD: I'm asking this as I probably wont get a run in again this week, but this time because we will be at WDW. I am just trying to tell myself its going to be ok and that walking 10 miles is like a 3 mile run maybe...

Very interesting question. Although I think we would like there to be some sort of equivalency, there probably isn't one that really makes sense. That is, 10 miles of walking is a lot like 10 miles of walking; but a lot like 0 miles of running. I posed a similar question many years ago on Hal Higdon's message boards when I asked for an equivalency based on heat. That is, if I run 3 miles in 90 degree weather, what's that equivalent to if I were running in 60 degree weather? I was hoping for an answer like 5 or 6 miles, but Hal said running 3 miles in 90 degree weather is the equivalent of running 3 miles. It's certainly harder, but it's still just 3 miles. I'd guess the answer here is probably similar.

Having written that, I realize it sounds a bit discouraging, and I don't mean it that way. Walking 10 miles is great, and has to help maintain fitness. I just don't know that I would say it's the same as running 3 miles. Perhaps, however, some others will provide another perspective that will make me feel better, too, about the days I don't run, but walk significantly. I think a 1-1 ratio sounds great (1 mile walking = 1 mile running)! Ridiculous perhaps, but great.

 

[DopeyBadger]

Wrote a long post about glycogen super compensation (aka carb loading) if anyone is interested. If you run an event longer than 90 minutes, then I think it would be a good read for you.

Glycogen Supercompensation (AKA Carb Loading for a Race)

 

[rteetz]

QOTD: When comparing walking to running, for example walking around WDW, the beach, the mall, ect. What ratio would you use to say a mile of running is equal to "x" miles of walking?

I have no idea. I do a lot of walking usually though.

 

[KSellers88]

I go on vacation for a week and come back to 20+ pages to read, but I am caught up! Below are some of my QOTD responses...

August Totals:
121 miles
9:41 Average Pace
158 Average HR (super happy with this, I've always had a really high HR so something must be going right with my training for this to be in the 150s)

ATTQOTDs:

• I use my watch for pace tracking in a race.
• I have a Garmin Fenix 5s Rose Gold and wear it 24/7 with the exception of charging time and showering.
• I have never been to Food and Wine or MNSSHP, but I am going to both this year and I am so excited! Hooray for APs!!!
• I say that walking a longer distance is comparable to running. Especially considering how I sweat, LOL. Sorry if that is TMI...

Edited to add: @OldSlowGoofyGuy I am so glad your wife is ok! How scary! @DopeyBadger I hope the ankle starts to improve soon. Also, praying for everyone in the path of Florence. We are a little South of where she is looking to go, but I am sure we will get some storms. Stay safe, y'all!

 

[Bree]

ATTQOTD: not sure about any equivalency between the two. Disney miles include a lot of standing in one place or slow shuffling through ride queues. I find that harder on my body than running 10 miles

So DH told me at 6:30am he’d check on the hurricane later to see if he would postpone his trip. I pulled it up, showed him the latest predicted path and then said if he decides to go and the storm changes course and he gets stuck he’s SOL. I’ll be going to V&A by myself and text him pics of my food. Guess who moved his trip

 

[OldSlowGoofyGuy]

ATTQOTD: Sometimes I think the only reason I run is to burn calories, so in that respect 1 mile walking = 1 mile running. As far as aerobic/cardio fitness, I'd say no matter how much you walk, it's not running.

We have a saying around our house about exercise: 'Ann beats Nan.' Translated, this means 'Anything beats nothing'. So 1 mile of walking > 0 miles running.

On an unrelated topic: I went to a yoga class today! I liked it and plan on adding it to my schedule. While I was there, I hit the pool. Still not seeing much improvement there. Then I cam home and did a 6 mile easy run. All this done by 9:30AM!

Thank you everyone for the thoughts and prayers on my wife's health. It really does mean a lot.

@JulieODC, I'll mention the Lyme disease connection so she can bring it up when she sees her primary care physician. We are outdoors a lot and do get the occasional tick.

 

[TheHamm]

ATTQOTD:
while the caloric burn of a mile is a mile seems more true than not, the cardio impact and actual physical impact/fatigue does not match up. I could imagine a 5:1 impact/physical fatigue relation, but see no way to mimic the heart rate unless I were walking to the dentist (true. I got a filling this morning. HR data shows it the same as yesterday's 10K). However, a Disney trip is mentally more taxing than normal walking, so I do believe there is a mental fatigue and exhaustion parallel you could make if an excuse is really necessary. I cannot determine how much of this mental fatigue is being there with my kids, but I hope to find out on a solo trip!

 

[Kazrak]

QOTD: When comparing walking to running, for example walking around WDW, the beach, the mall, ect. What ratio would you use to say a mile of running is equal to "x" miles of walking?

ATTQOTD: Depends what you're trying to equal.

If it's calories or generally being fit, distance is distance.

But walking doesn't really help train for running, in my experience. Before I started run training, I could walk more or less indefinitely but running for even a minute was "OMG I'm gonna die".

 

[Sanchez]

Ditto that. Though, to be fair, the aftermath of Irma was WAY worse for me than the actual storm... I evacuated to Central FL, where we never lost power or Internet. Then had to go home to work recovery and lived with no power, no sewage (so no showering, flushing, anything that causes water to go down a drain) for a week. That was not fun at all.

I lost almost everything to Hugo way back when (house was on IOP), so I'm all too familiar with how devastating a hit can be in the Low Country. Looks like Florence might hit further north: bad for NC, but hopefully better for SC? My heart still lives in the SC pluff mud! ♥

I was at The Citadel when Hugo hit. No internet, no cell phones, and nowhere near the weather prediction capabilities we have now. The orders were "get up and leave" with very little preparation or plan. I will never forget coming back into Charleston and witnessing the devastation. I lost everything a college student could lose - which fortunately was very little and nothing compared to what families living in the area lost. The Citadel beach house on IOP was destroyed. As you know, the only way to get to IOP at that time was the Ben Sawyer bridge which was significantly damaged.

It is expected that the Governor will announce an evacuation plan today and begin the process for lane reversals on I-26. Predictions are that that storm will hit to the north of us but that can change.

It is a strange feeling - hoping that the storm doesn't hit us but knowing that someone else is in the path.

 

[GreatLakes]

ATTQOTD: Sometimes I think the only reason I run is to burn calories, so in that respect 1 mile walking = 1 mile running. As far as aerobic/cardio fitness, I'd say no matter how much you walk, it's not running.

We have a saying around our house about exercise: 'Ann beats Nan.' Translated, this means 'Anything beats nothing'. So 1 mile of walking > 0 miles running.

On an unrelated topic: I went to a yoga class today! I liked it and plan on adding it to my schedule. While I was there, I hit the pool. Still not seeing much improvement there. Then I cam home and did a 6 mile easy run. All this done by 9:30AM!

Thank you everyone for the thoughts and prayers on my wife's health. It really does mean a lot.

@JulieODC, I'll mention the Lyme disease connection so she can bring it up when she sees her primary care physician. We are outdoors a lot and do get the occasional tick.

I wanted to say I hope for the best with your situation.

Have you thought about doing a one hour coaching session for your swimming? That is a discipline I don't think you can improve much without having someone look at your form and give you some pointers. I did a 1 hour solo coaching session and five 1 hour group sessions and still feel like I need a few more. Tiny little alterations make huge differences in the pool, much more than any other discipline.

Yoga is great. I do some yoga stretches at home but would like to do classes again if I had the time.

 

[AntimonyER]

ATTQOTD: As someone who does a lot more walking than running, my calorie counter says that running at 8 min pace burns 25% more calories for the same distance as walking at 16 min pace. So from an energy standpoint, 1 mile running equals 1.25 miles walking. I feel like walking does help with endurance, but not so much with speed.