The Running Thread - 2016

[Waiting2goback]

 

[DopeyBadger]

But, during my absence from running I read, "Total Heart Rate Training" by Joel Friel. It was a really good book about HR training but the information about the science behind why you should run most of your runs slow was broken down so much better than in 80/20 Running, in my opinion. I know Billy is a fan of perceived effort but when reading it I kept thinking he would love this book because of the science behind it.

I love my science. You know me too well. I also love my perceived effort. I like to use HR data to evaluate post-run, but not so much during the run. However, I'm always willing to read and evaluate new information. I'll add it to my list. It will be interesting to see how they lay out the slow vs fast training methodology. Full disclosure, I've never read Fitzgerald's 80/20 book, but I did read the scientific paper by Seiler that it was based on.

 

[disneydaydreamer33]

Question for you that run at Disney. For my quick trip with DH next month I'm planning an easy run on my last morning with a brunch afterwards (I honestly don't sweat much, so I'm hoping after a rest I will be presentable enough to eat in public!). My choices would be run around Wilderness Lodge/Campsites and have brunch at Whispering Canyon Cafe or run around the Epcot resorts and have brunch at Captain's Grille. Which would you guys choose based on route and restaurant? I'll be solo that morning if it makes any difference of where you would go!

 

[LSUlakes]

Question, any tips on not starting too fast on long training runs? Got my 20 in today and I really tried to start slow but I didn't really? After mile 15 I had no problems slowing down to the pace I wanted the whole time, but I did fade a bit 18-20. Thanks.

It's really a lot more difficult than one would think, which is crazy. You have two options. If you have a GPS watch that allows you to set a pace warnings both on a low and high end then that would be the easiest way to go. Just be prepared to hear it beep a lot until you find a groove. The other option is to check you watch very often during the run and even more so for the first 3-5 miles. I guess a third option would be to really concentrate on running at a very slow pace. The thing about it is as you have been putting in so many miles, those first few miles don't feel hard at all anymore and naturally you want to run at a pace that isn't race pace but what you were accustomed to 6 months ago. The natural progression of training for a marathon has just made you faster. It's a big mental thing, but you can do it. Practice it, because come marathon day, you don't want to start out with a PR in the 5k distance with 23.1 miles to go. Hope this helps.

 

[Keels]

Question for you that run at Disney. For my quick trip with DH next month I'm planning an easy run on my last morning with a brunch afterwards (I honestly don't sweat much, so I'm hoping after a rest I will be presentable enough to eat in public!). My choices would be run around Wilderness Lodge/Campsites and have brunch at Whispering Canyon Cafe or run around the Epcot resorts and have brunch at Captain's Grille. Which would you guys choose based on route and restaurant? I'll be solo that morning if it makes any difference of where you would go!

Captain's Grille!! LOVE the brunch there - I'm planning to eat breakfast there at least three times during my Marathon Weekend trip (shrimp breakfast tacos? Yes, please!). I really like the crab omelet, the fried egg sandwich and the tailored eggs. And mimosas, of course! Lunch is really delicious too - lobster roll and tomato/mozzarella sandwich. And of course the fries!

 

[Miranda]

Gosh, isn't 35-40 super cold?! I couldn't feel my legs or feet when I started a race at 48 degrees. I was seriously concerned I would trip and fall.

It's all relative to where you live. Up here in NH, 35-40 is pretty normal weather for early spring and later fall/early winter. Barring a really cold snap, it'll probably be in the 30's at least a few more weeks for the most part. A couple years ago we had a really bad winter with cold, though, where it was like single digits most of January and February.

 

[dis_or_dat]

It's all relative to where you live. Up here in NH, 35-40 is pretty normal weather for early spring and later fall/early winter. Barring a really cold snap, it'll probably be in the 30's at least a few more weeks for the most part. A couple years ago we had a really bad winter with cold, though, where it was like single digits most of January and February.

I'll say this again: I'm so impressed with everyone who runs in these temps! Or hot and humid temps in the summer. I'm a wimp.

 

[Wendy98]

Question for you that run at Disney. For my quick trip with DH next month I'm planning an easy run on my last morning with a brunch afterwards (I honestly don't sweat much, so I'm hoping after a rest I will be presentable enough to eat in public!). My choices would be run around Wilderness Lodge/Campsites and have brunch at Whispering Canyon Cafe or run around the Epcot resorts and have brunch at Captain's Grille. Which would you guys choose based on route and restaurant? I'll be solo that morning if it makes any difference of where you would go!

Tough call. I have run both places multiple times. I really like the tranquility of the campsites. I think you could get a longer run in there although I don't know how far you are aiming for. I like the Epcot resorts area also but it seems to get more foot traffic. Sorry, can't help you with the brunch. I certainly wouldn't worry about being sweaty. I often don't get a shower right away and carry on with my day after running!

 

[Miranda]

I'll say this again: I'm so impressed with everyone who runs in these temps! Or hot and humid temps in the summer. I'm a wimp.

I'm not really that hardcore... my warm running clothes are only good down to about 20, and even then I'm getting pretty frigid. I don't really go outside below 20 unless I know it is going to quickly be warming up past that. I am lucky that I work at home and can run in the middle of the day/early afternoon (i.e. warmest part of the day) when it's really cold.

 

[Chasing Dopey]

Question for you that run at Disney. For my quick trip with DH next month I'm planning an easy run on my last morning with a brunch afterwards (I honestly don't sweat much, so I'm hoping after a rest I will be presentable enough to eat in public!). My choices would be run around Wilderness Lodge/Campsites and have brunch at Whispering Canyon Cafe or run around the Epcot resorts and have brunch at Captain's Grille. Which would you guys choose based on route and restaurant? I'll be solo that morning if it makes any difference of where you would go!

I've also run both! I don't be mean to be absolutist and pushy about it, but Epcot, definitely. There will be other runners our there, and you're less likely to get lost (yup). Captain's Grille I think has better food, and while the atmosphere at Whispering Canyon could be fun with kids, it's loud, and because of the shenanigans, you might get stuck there far longer than you planned.

 

[bellrae]

I just want to say - mad props and much respect to anyone on this thread that has done a race in a boot! I have only had one on for 2 days (thankfully only have two weeks in it - nothing too serious) and I struggled to go grocery shopping with it on this morning. Kept saying to myself "Suck it up, people do races in the boot, you can buy food".

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Roll Tide! Skin those Gators!

Time for my 11 miler.

 

[Mimsy Borogove]

Okay, another quick question...anyone familiar with Nassau. Looking for a morning run the morning we are there for our Disney Cruise.

Any issues with safety here?

With the caveat that we were there in 2008... DH and I walked from the terminals to Arawak Cay and also separately to Fort Charlotte and back. The cruise terminal area is overrun with "helpful" people aggressively hawking goods and services, but if you just ignore them you'll get through faster. Some of the city sidewalks were in major disrepair on the way to Fort Charlotte, but no sketchy areas I can recall. Soccer fields just before the fort and public beaches. We felt safe the entire time even as dumb tourists with a guidebook. I can't speak to the areas you mapped out beyond the fort, though. Good luck!

Holy cow do you people work?! Forget about leaving slow runners behind, what about us slow readers??

Yes, I was JUST thinking this earlier this morning!

 

[roxymama]

If anyone is looking for any alternative running strategies, my 4 year old just told us "If you get tired, just run backwards."

Makes sense.

 

[dis_or_dat]

Roll Tide! Skin those Gators!

Time for my 11 miler.

Wonder what your and @LSUlakes's thoughts are on the rumor of Kiffin going to LSU as OC. Do you think he's gunning for the HC spot after a year of coach O?

If anyone is looking for any alternative running strategies, my 4 year old just told us "If you get tired, just run backwards."

Makes sense.

That's like if your odometer is high you can just drive your car backwards (Matilda reference).

 

[Baloo in MI]

Had a twelve miler this morning. Nice run, but cold in the low 30's when I left. With just a few miles to go and as it was getting light it began to snow! Only a little, but it sure was pretty. Great run.

Good luck to all those who are racing this weekend!

 

[CP3uhoh]

It's really a lot more difficult than one would think, which is crazy. You have two options. If you have a GPS watch that allows you to set a pace warnings both on a low and high end then that would be the easiest way to go. Just be prepared to hear it beep a lot until you find a groove. The other option is to check you watch very often during the run and even more so for the first 3-5 miles. I guess a third option would be to really concentrate on running at a very slow pace. The thing about it is as you have been putting in so many miles, those first few miles don't feel hard at all anymore and naturally you want to run at a pace that isn't race pace but what you were accustomed to 6 months ago. The natural progression of training for a marathon has just made you faster. It's a big mental thing, but you can do it. Practice it, because come marathon day, you don't want to start out with a PR in the 5k distance with 23.1 miles to go. Hope this helps.

I do stare down at my Apple Watch for the pace quite frequently. I'd like to get past that because typically for the the first 5-8 miles I can almost zone out thinking about the day ahead or something else. Looking at my watch every 30 seconds removes that of course. I also feel at the beginning that I can't possibly be going as fast as it says which of course is different at the end when I'm thinking I must be going faster .

I just went over my splits form yesterday and mile 8 was within 10 seconds of mile 18 and the 10 in between were all fairly close. 1-5 was about a minute faster and 18-20 were a minute slower. So obviously I need to work on the first 5. I'm thinking more practice at a slower pace will on shorter runs will help.

 

[disneydaydreamer33]

Thanks for the input @Keels @Wendy98 @Chasing Dopey! I just made my reservation for Captain's Grille. I can't wait!

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Wonder what your and @LSUlakes's thoughts are on the rumor of Kiffin going to LSU as OC. Do you think he's gunning for the HC spot after a year of coach O?

Don't know if he is going to LSU or not, but I have heard that he is gone from Alabama whether he likes it or not after the Florida game.

 

[croach]

That's like if your odometer is high you can just drive your car backwards (Matilda reference).

Also a Ferris Bueller reference.